Post-Draft Whinging & Moaning Thread

[AMPHAR]

I'll start to worry about Trey when they get to Week 1 prep week and he isn't here.     A hold out does him nothing.  He knows what teams were willing to offer.  He knows what Bengals have on table.   Crying to media and a holdout is unlikely to change either number upward and it could only go down.   So is he stupid enough to miss game checks to gain nothing?

[ArmyBengal]

Apparently you guys don’t know how expensive it is to “Take care of my family” these days. $81 million?? Whatever, that’s a drop in the bucket.

Im telling you, it’s just a warped sense of reality when you can buy and do whatever the hell you want in life.

I love the Hampton Inn (aka the Hamster Inn). Clean enough, cheap enough, fill your belly with a breakfast good enough. It’s enough. When I made that comment to my Dentist who makes millions a year, he couldn’t fathom the thought of staying in such a “Dump”. Like seriously couldn’t fathom.

I fucking hate people.

[COB]

His first go around of complaining he said he and his wife want to have a baby but they can’t yet because of this contract situation.  

[TJJackson]

11 hours ago, ArmyBengal said:

I fucking hate people.

We still luv ya, Army

[TJJackson]

 

[HoosierCat]

2 hours ago, TJJackson said:

 

Yeah the bit about the injury waiver is a lie. Good to see Knight get on the field.

[ArmyBengal]

3 hours ago, TJJackson said:

We still luv ya, Army

Lol, it's good to be loved...

[HoosierCat]

16 hours ago, ArmyBengal said:

I love the Hampton Inn (aka the Hamster Inn). Clean enough, cheap enough, fill your belly with a breakfast good enough. It’s enough. When I made that comment to my Dentist who makes millions a year, he couldn’t fathom the thought of staying in such a “Dump”. Like seriously couldn’t fathom.

Yeah, budget hotels are usually fine by me as well. If I'm traveling I'm rarely in them anyhow other than to sleep.

[HoosierCat]

16 hours ago, AMPHAR said:

I'll start to worry about Trey when they get to Week 1 prep week and he isn't here.     A hold out does him nothing.  He knows what teams were willing to offer.  He knows what Bengals have on table.   Crying to media and a holdout is unlikely to change either number upward and it could only go down.   So is he stupid enough to miss game checks to gain nothing?

I doubt it. At most he sits out camp. IMHO this ends with him either signing an extension prior to week 1, or due to injury some team swoops in with a trade offer the Bengals can't refuse.

[Allentown21]

The Bengals needed defense and some young oline prospects. That's exactly what they did. They also took Stewart who has as much pass rush upside as anyone. Not sure what the issue is. Thought the Bengals draft was good 

[AMPHAR]

Most of the "hot take" generators survive off agent leaks.  Thus they are going to protect that critical piece of their business.    Its never been clearer than this Bengals offseason.

1. Bengal place franchise tag on Higgins - a smart predictable move.  Keeps Tee on the roster at a min.  They were franchise tag shamed by every "hot take" factory.  Everyone.  It destroys lockeroom, they'll never get extension blah, blah, blah.

2. J'mar Chase - the more crazy "hot takes".  Bengals were actually proactive.  Entering discussions a year earlier when compared to JJ and Lamb.  Almost got it done.   Then did get it done months before JJ/Lamb in the same year.  All it was; "this is going to cost them $40m." Blown cap because they stalled.  Can't get a FA guard because deal isn't done.   Horrible takes.

3. Trey Hendrickson - OMG.  Bengals asked for a lot of draft capital for the NFL's sack leader and their best defender.  Trade shamed.

This ALL plays right into the negative nelly fan.  Being trolled.  Fits right in their POV.     As it relates to Trey.  At some point it would be interesting for one of these "hot take" factories to ask WTF is wrong with you Trey?   Don't like money?  Don't like winning?    There's a track record of the leagues best getting things done with the Bengals.  You've got rumored $28m-$32m on the table.  Oh, it has to be 100% a win for you?  You'll gamble your best chance at Superbowl over  terms and conditions?    Fans are unlikely to get that because as soon as they do there goes the leaked info and interview access for their pod cast etc.

 

[Allentown21]

10 hours ago, AMPHAR said:

Most of the "hot take" generators survive off agent leaks.  Thus they are going to protect that critical piece of their business.    Its never been clearer than this Bengals offseason.

1. Bengal place franchise tag on Higgins - a smart predictable move.  Keeps Tee on the roster at a min.  They were franchise tag shamed by every "hot take" factory.  Everyone.  It destroys lockeroom, they'll never get extension blah, blah, blah.

2. J'mar Chase - the more crazy "hot takes".  Bengals were actually proactive.  Entering discussions a year earlier when compared to JJ and Lamb.  Almost got it done.   Then did get it done months before JJ/Lamb in the same year.  All it was; "this is going to cost them $40m." Blown cap because they stalled.  Can't get a FA guard because deal isn't done.   Horrible takes.

3. Trey Hendrickson - OMG.  Bengals asked for a lot of draft capital for the NFL's sack leader and their best defender.  Trade shamed.

This ALL plays right into the negative nelly fan.  Being trolled.  Fits right in their POV.     As it relates to Trey.  At some point it would be interesting for one of these "hot take" factories to ask WTF is wrong with you Trey?   Don't like money?  Don't like winning?    There's a track record of the leagues best getting things done with the Bengals.  You've got rumored $28m-$32m on the table.  Oh, it has to be 100% a win for you?  You'll gamble your best chance at Superbowl over  terms and conditions?    Fans are unlikely to get that because as soon as they do there goes the leaked info and interview access for their pod cast etc.

 

They'll work something out with Trey. 

 

 

[AMPHAR]

Bengals have a tag and nobody but Trey to use it on next year.  A holdout does shit for him.   Eventually something gets done.   Not even worth worrying about.

Same with Stewart.  Pissing match over language.   He wasn't jumping to the top of the depth chart the day he steps on the field.  Every guy above him has money on the line this season as they are entering final years.   Bend the knee, cash your check and get your career started.   

 

 

 

 

 

[ArmyBengal]

Agree with something getting done with Trey as well. 
People view it differently, but the Bengals really hold on the cards with both his contract and the tag.
They could keep him from ever getting a longer term, big pay day ever again.

If they use the tag, he will be going on 33 before he gets a chance with another team.
Not many mid 30's DE's out there getting long term high dollar deals.

Stewart?  He will get done sooner or later, but the Bengals front office is really stupid with this.
Creating something that previously never existed and having it impact him getting on the field is just silly.
Am I losing sleep over it?  No, but as I view it, it's stupid.

[AMPHAR]

I think the amount of Trey's big pay day is questionable.   There were plenty of leaks trade shaming the Bengals.  Very few specifics on $$$.   Everyone assumes he walks into Myles/Crosby money and they judge it based on AAV.   Misleading.

Myles realistic money is 3 years $100m.  Well below the often sighted $40m.  $33.3m  Crosby realistic money is $94m over 3.  $31.3m  

With a rumored offer of $28m on the table he's an idiot (no matter the structure/incentives) for any attempt at carrying a hold out into the season after what transpired with Haason Reddick.   

Bengals might have his top offer out there on the table.  

 

[ArmyBengal]

Agree, I think Trey finally caves.
It sounds good to say all the "I'm dug in", "I'm not playing", and whatever nonsense that comes flying out if his mouth.
However, if the $28m is a factual number, he's beyond stupid not to take that deal and get after chasing a championship.

I think it was Ben Baby that finally saw someone point out that this is the 3rd year that Trey has asked for his contract to be reworked and the Bengals having basically given him what he's asked for each time, minus the massive pay day in a long term deal.  Again, he asked, he was offered and he accepted.  At any juncture he could have went in a different direction.

I like Trey and want him back on this defense, but he's kind of being a bitch.

[ArmyBengal]

Another thing, I love how all the media outlets are just banging on the Bengals for not paying their own despite doing that more often than not.  For every Trey Hendrickson that may in fact be underpaid, you have plenty more that underperform their pay out.  When teams have a way to even that out and take money back from them, I will be more concerned.

I'm telling you, if Dax Hill and Myles Murphy don't ball the fuck out this year, those two need to go.
I've said it time and time again, those two misses have impacted the defense and team as a whole.
I don't care who the starter is, there are expectations and both have clearly fallen short.

The thought of paying Dax nearly $10m on his club option next year sickens me.

[AMPHAR]

The reboot of the defense is now the most critical team segment in regards to the Burrow era, IMO. 

[ArmyBengal]

1 hour ago, AMPHAR said:

The reboot of the defense is now the most critical team segment in regards to the Burrow era, IMO. 

That and continued work on the o-line.

Although this is the first time in a while where I'm intrigued by what "might be" with both units.

New DC and new o-line coach.  Add some new players and a new approach and get after it.
Just give me mid-level ranked units for the defense and o-line and we are in business.
The talent on the roster is sufficient.  They don't need to be the best in the league.

[AMPHAR]

OL will be interesting.   They clearly need to improve and you don't fire OL coach IF you are happy about the play, but the overall offensive production has been there with a healthy Burrow.   Burrow/ZT seem to don't care about running the ball but a couple losses might have been wins with better running late.    There were a couple bad Joe Burrow fumbles for scores outside the pocket as well that played big parts in losses. 

Then there are a bunch of  impact plays of Burrow manipulating coverage with his play extending abilities and pocket movement. 

I just kinda wonder what a coach can do to correct some of the protection stuff without changing play selection and Burrow extending plays.  

 

 

 

[ArmyBengal]

I know Burrow likes to downplay sacks and people talk about how the o-line plays to Burrow's strengths.
I love how high powered the offense is with a bottom quarter o-line as well.

HOWEVER, I can't help but wonder how much MORE high powered and balanced (see running game) the offense could be if we just had a middle of the road o-line?  How much better could the team be?  With how much is invested in Burrow, Chase, and Tee to make that offense run, work that o-line and get all you can out of the offense.

Give me that offense capable of eating the hell out of the clock and close out games and we are in business.

[COB]

Brandon Scherff is still out there, still available.  We need veteran guard help.  Time to make some type of commitment, get better on that o-line.  

[TJJackson]

all of the remaining quality FAs are waiting for injuries to happen at their position so that they can demand more pay