More Damage Control Hype???

[gregcook68]

More experts that think they have more insight and better football minds than us couch coaches!! What joke!!

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"I think a lot of teams would love to have Andy Dalton," said CBS-TV's Rich Gannon, who finished 20 games over .500 in his 17 years of NFL quarterbacking. "Replace him with whom? Replace him with what? The guy's won 30 games in three years. I see steady improvement. He's not perfect. But you know what? All he has to do is eliminate the inconsistent performances. That's it."

The appointment of Jackson has drawn raves around the NFL and has taken the Bengals off the hook with the departure of offensive coordinator Jay Gruden to Washington as head coach.

It certainly got the attention of the leader of the Bengals division rival. Ravens general manager Ozzie Newsome saw Jackson help tutor his quarterback, Joe Flacco, to three playoff wins in his first two seasons.

"Number one, he's a real good leader," Newsome said. "He works well with his players. He gets his players to play above their level and he's very creative."

ESPN's Bill Polian, the former Colts general manger who drafted Manning, says Dalton should be the Bengals' guy but he also admits this is a decisive year in his development. Polian thinks Dalton is going to improve under Jackson. Which means cutting back on last season's career-high 20 interceptions.

"I don't worry about the playoff game stuff. Before they turned it around it was they hadn't made the playoffs in 100 years. Now they make the playoffs and it's not good enough. It's just nonsense," Polian said. "This will be a good measurement year both because he's learned what the league's about and is ready to take a step and he's going to have a guy that may be a little more friendly in his scheme."

"Everything I've seen has been positive. He's got growing pains like all quarterbacks. Learning to adjust to what defenses do. I got this from talking to Jim Kelly and Ted Marchibroda," Polian said. "A first-year quarterback doesn't know what end is up. Too fast for what he's facing and he's learning to get in and out of the huddle and call plays. Between the first and second year he's starting to learn what defenses are trying to do to him and. By the third year he's able to understand what defense is about and sees it much more quickly. In the fourth year he's able to properly use the people that he has. It's a four-year process and the new rules have slowed down the progress."

Jackson's blueprint to make Dalton more efficient with fewer interceptions comes right off Carroll's script that beat Denver in the Super Bowl earlier this month. Seattle second-year quarterback Russell Wilson threw just 25 passes and rode home on the play of the NFL's best defense. Wilson threw just 407 passes all season while Dalton threw 586 times for the league's No. 3 defense, tying the franchise record set by Palmer.

"(Dalton) is good enough to do all the things you want as an organization," Wilcots said. "Russell Wilson didn't throw it 50 times a game. That's why the other 52 guys matter. They're not stunt doubles. They're not there to make the quarterback look good. In fact, one might argue if the quarterback threw it 25 to 30 times and he doesn't turn it over, we play our defense and run the football, we can win a Super Bowl. That's what Seattle did. They beat one of the best quarterbacks of all-time. The better quarterback didn't win. So maybe the thinking should be let's get our quarterbacks to do less, not more and get the other 52 guys do more."

Gannon has a checklist of two things Dalton has to do (more decisive, better footwork on the deep ball), but he says they're very reachable goals.

"His footwork has got to be a little more urgent on the deep ball," Gannon said. "Working on the deep ball is no knock on Dalton. There's only about five or six guys in the league that can throw it 60 yards on a dime…When you have a different play caller, I think the emphasis can change a little bit. Maybe more play-action, maybe more running the football, maybe less empty and wide-open formations."

"The thing Andy Dalton does is he puts that team in position to have a chance to win each week," Gannon said. "To me, that's the sign of a pretty good quarterback."

[ArmyBengal]

Again, I have no problem with Dalton in 2014, but agree that this will be a decisive year in his development.

I also don't think it's about Dalton alone properly using the people he has, but rather a combination of him AND Hue using them properly.

I still think Gruden was a bigger problem that most will probably agree with, but this season will be a big one for Dalton and the Bengals.

I also can't say how I feel about the comment, "Now they make the playoffs and it's not good enough. It's just nonsense."

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about the warm and fuzzy of making the playoffs, but there's this thing called a Championship that would be great.

I don't think it's nonsense to want more than just a one and done. And don't give me the crap about the 90's either. It's 2014.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I'll gladly take a Russell Wilson type please, as well as his stats, in place of Dalton's 34 TD's and 27 turnovers.

Wilson had the same type of talent around him, and less on offense, and got it done by playing smart football and making plays when he had to. Dalton plays like a scared f**%n chicken with his head cut-off. Three years in and that hasn't changed. It likely won't.

[ArmyBengal]

All that very well may be, but 2014 should give the answer to how much was it Dalton and how much came from Gruden.

Don't like Dalton throwing the ball 50+ times a game ?? Yeah, Gruden and he had mentioned it many times.

Don't like the fact they gave up on the run so early in games ?? Yeah, Gruden and had mentioned it many times as well.

Does Dalton need to cut down on his turnovers ?? Of course he does, but i'm left to wonder if that still happens when you put an OC in there that won't have him toss the ball all over the d*mn place ?? I'm still ok with him being the starter in 2014. I want to see a vet QB come onto the roster, but that won't happen. A rookie won't push him in the least and this isn't the draft class to go in search of the next best thing.

Give it this last year and see what to do in 2015.

[volcom69]

The question is will Marvin finally learn that running the ball will help this team, help Dalton? Like Hoosier said in the other thread, im not sure Marvin wants to run the ball, it seems like he likes the pass. I mean of course we could be wrong, but he better look at this team and realize they cant throw it 40/50 times a game all the time. If you look at his win percentage when they run the ball over 25 times, its pretty freaking good. It just makes me wonder why he never told Jay to run the ball more, that Andy is not made to throw it 40 times a game. As a head coach you think he would have said something to him, if he wanted to run more.

[gregcook68]

The question is will Marvin finally learn that running the ball will help this team, help Dalton? Like Hoosier said in the other thread, im not sure Marvin wants to run the ball, it seems like he likes the pass. I mean of course we could be wrong, but he better look at this team and realize they cant throw it 40/50 times a game all the time. If you look at his win percentage when they run the ball over 25 times, its pretty freaking good. It just makes me wonder why he never told Jay to run the ball more, that Andy is not made to throw it 40 times a game. As a head coach you think he would have said something to him, if he wanted to run more.

Look at what ML was quoted as saying in the other thread. The identity will not become a 'run' first identity!

Russell Wilson only threw the ball 25 times in the SB. ML doesn't seem to be on board. The only hope we have is that ML let's Hue do it his way.

[COB]

Look at what ML was quoted as saying in the other thread. The identity will not become a 'run' first identity!

...ML doesn't seem to be on board. The only hope we have is that ML let's Hue do it his way.

Blaming Andy's 2014 season on Marvin already? Good to have your apologist strategy planned out, just wait until after Andy's 2014 season to execute said strategy.

[gregcook68]

Look at what ML was quoted as saying in the other thread. The identity will not become a 'run' first identity!

...ML doesn't seem to be on board. The only hope we have is that ML let's Hue do it his way.

Blaming Andy's 2014 season on Marvin already? Good to have your apologist strategy planned out, just wait until after Andy's 2014 season to execute said strategy.

Come on Cobbie, Andy had a great season! He just can't win playoff games, let alone a SB!!!!! Peyton Manning had a Hall of Fame season but he couldn't win the big one either!!!!

He's a loser just like all the other 30 starting QBs!!

It's amazing how I can still get under your skin even when I agree with you! You're even willing to put words in my posts that aren't even there!!

Come on Cobster, you're a smarter couch coach than that, knowing that the QB isn't the only position. 2014 is only a preamble for 2015, and beyond. There will be no playoff run in 2014, but Hue needs to get the offense in sync, so they can bring a QB in for 2015, able to complete 62-65% of 18-25 passes a game, throwing 10-12 INTs, and 20 TDs for the year!!!!

This is the best free entertainment I've had in a long, long, time!!

I love ya Cobbie!! See you at the SB in 2016!!

[redsbengalsbucks]

I'll gladly take a Russell Wilson type please, as well as his stats, in place of Dalton's 34 TD's and 27 turnovers.

Wilson had the same type of talent around him, and less on offense, and got it done by playing smart football and making plays when he had to. Dalton plays like a scared f**%n chicken with his head cut-off. Three years in and that hasn't changed. It likely won't.

I agree are RB's were just as good as the Seahawks. LMAO

[HoosierCat]

Shula would take a Russell Wilson type? Well, hell, I'd take a Russell Wilson type. The only problem is that I lack that crystal ball to tell me who the next Russell Wilson is. And when it comes to Cincy QBs, well, let's review:

Reg. Season Starts – Playoff Starts by QB since 1991 (last playoff win 1990)

Boomer Esiason 30 – 0

Donald Hollas 2 – 0

Erik Wilhelm 1 – 0

David Klingler 24 – 0

Jay Schroeder 3 – 0

Jeff Blake 66 – 0

Neil O’Donnell 11 – 0

Paul Justin 3 – 0

Akili Smith 17 – 0

Scott Mitchell 5 – 0

Jon Kitna 46 – 0

Gus Frerotte 3 – 0

Carson Palmer 97 – 2

Ryan Fitzpatrick 12 – 0

Andy Dalton 48 - 3

Blech. Maybe Andy hasn't gotten that coveted playoff win but he's arguably the best we've had in 20-some years. So I'm a little reluctant to go fishing again right now. If we can't get over the hump in 2014, I'll give my blessing to taking another shot.

[ArmyBengal]

Maybe Andy hasn't gotten that coveted playoff win but he's arguably the best we've had in 20-some years. So I'm a little reluctant to go fishing again right now. If we can't get over the hump in 2014, I'll give my blessing to taking another shot.

I concur with the above post.

[COB]

You're even willing to put words in my posts that aren't even there!!

What are you talking about? Please show me where I put words in your post. I replied to your post, I didn't put words in there that weren't there.

[gregcook68]

You're even willing to put words in my posts that aren't even there!!

What are you talking about? Please show me where I put words in your post. I replied to your post, I didn't put words in there that weren't there.

I never said anything about Dalton needing an excuse. My post was about what Lewis about the run game and Hue's role.

You are so ate up with Dalton, you throw him into every post you can!

Chill out homie! Things will get better in 2015 if ML will let him have his way, but it needs to start coming together this year!

[ArmyBengal]

Stop the madness.

[gregcook68]

Stop the madness. :rolleyes:/>/>

HE STARTED IT!!!!! :lol:/>

Seriously, he's my homeboy. I don't reply to his posts and when he replies to mine, I can't help but get under his skin!! :jump:/>

[HoosierCat]

Stop the madness. :rolleyes:/>/>/>

HE STARTED IT!!!!! :lol:/>/>

Seriously, he's my homeboy. I don't reply to his posts and when he replies to mine, I can't help but get under his skin!! :jump:/>/>

His isn't the only skin you're getting under. The act has gotten old. Let it go.

[redsbengalsbucks]

Stop the madness. :rolleyes:/>/>/>/>

HE STARTED IT!!!!! :lol:/>/>/>

Seriously, he's my homeboy. I don't reply to his posts and when he replies to mine, I can't help but get under his skin!! :jump:/>/>/>

His isn't the only skin you're getting under. The act has gotten old. Let it go.

Sorry, but this issue is a mutually created problem between the two. I don't see one person to put the blame on here. Every time one of them backs off the other picks it up again. Started to look like a playground pissing contest.

[HoosierCat]

It's been dealt with.

Locked