State of the Bengals

[HoosierCat]

Well, since Project Convert Orson was Hue's to begin with, it's not surprising he's sticking with it. I wasn't impressed with it last season but maybe with a year under his belt he will get better.

Re comp picks Hobs doesn't seem to think they will get more than 2-3 late rounders. Not sure that will benefit them all that much.

[ArmyBengal]

Re comp picks Hobs doesn't seem to think they will get more than 2-3 late rounders. Not sure that will benefit them all that much.

Sure it will Hoosier.

Especially with the thought of making 2 picks at CB and 2 on the o-line.

If they lose Collins, they are taking at least 2 OT's. The loss of Fragel from the practice squad plays into that.

If people are figuring they need another WR, this aids in that as well. LB and RB play into it as well.

Minus those picks, some of those positions won't get addressed.

In regards to Charles at FB and it being Hue's decision, maybe something happens like, you know, using him.

I still think Charles makes a better TE than FB, but whatever.

[COB]

Enjoy the read - http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000325863/article/offseason-forecast-cincinnati-bengals

From the article:

Still, the elephant in the room remains: In previous eras, Dalton's numbers over three seasons would be viewed as exemplary, but he stands out as the guy holding back an otherwise balanced, talented attack. It's scary to think what the Bengals would become with a multi-threat, cannon-armed passer at the controls. I'd love to see the franchise boldly take the chance on another young quarterback in the draft.

Seems pretty reasonable. I have no faith in Mike to follow this guy's advice. You never know though, rumor was that Mike was never in love with drafting Andy, that he wanted Kaperinick, and that the Andy's champion all along was Chucky's brother. That would lead to the possibility that they bring in a legitimate competitor. Then there are the things Marvin said, as in I am married to Andy. But then again, that could be spy vs spy draft type stuff. Intrigue!

[ArmyBengal]

It would be a "bold" move to see them take a chance at another young QB.

And if the new young QB doesn't pan out, everyone would be calling for MB's head since he didn't give Dalton another chance.

I would bet that fans would forget all about demanding for a new QB if the new guy should fail to even get them to the playoffs.

It would indeed be intriguing for sure and I would watch with baited breath, but I have no thoughts of it happening.

[HoosierCat]

Former Bears GM Jerry Angelo rates every QB's 2013 season.

/>http://thesidelineview.com/columns/nfl/former-bears-gm-jerry-angelo-rates-every-quarterback-2013-nfl-season

Spoiler: Dalton @ 17. Angelo thinks you can win with him.

[ArmyBengal]

There are some really good QB's playing in the league right now.

I can't say as I agree or disagree wholeheartedly.

Maybe only a handful and that would simply be for arguments sake.

Stafford was the overall #1 pick with a huge arm and nothing to show for it.

Cutler is a very overrated QB in my opinion.

Alex Smith has done well recently, but hasn't always been that way.

Nick Foles had a good single season, but needs to duplicate that in 2014 and beyond.

While I like Kaepernick, he's not a great passing QB. He's just not.

I can't stand Tony Romo and wouldn't want him anywhere near the team I root for.

How many chances was Cam Newton given even though he gave nothing in return ??

Oh yeah, "State of the Bengals"...

Dalton will be our QB for better or worse in 2014 and by looking at that list, we could do MUCH worse.

We could do better, but not by adding any of those I think are better than him and i'm not sold on a rookie being able to do that either.

[gregcook68]

Dalton's done after this year! Let's get a real NFL QB in 2015!

If he doesn't get a ring after 3 yesrs, get rid of him too and do it all over again in 2018!

[gregcook68]

There are some really good QB's playing in the league right now.

I can't say as I agree or disagree wholeheartedly.

Maybe only a handful and that would simply be for arguments sake.

Stafford was the overall #1 pick with a huge arm and nothing to show for it.

Cutler is a very overrated QB in my opinion.

Alex Smith has done well recently, but hasn't always been that way.

Nick Foles had a good single season, but needs to duplicate that in 2014 and beyond.

While I like Kaepernick, he's not a great passing QB. He's just not.

I can't stand Tony Romo and wouldn't want him anywhere near the team I root for.

How many chances was Cam Newton given even though he gave nothing in return ??

Oh yeah, "State of the Bengals"...

Dalton will be our QB for better or worse in 2014 and by looking at that list, we could do MUCH worse.

We could do better, but not by adding any of those I think are better than him and i'm not sold on a rookie being able to do that either.

None of the above have been able to lead their teams to a SB championship either! Cutler and Romo have had plenty of years to do it.

I want a QB who can produce a ring.

[redsbengalsbucks]

I must be in the minority, we have a QB that has gotten better every year he is here. He is setting franchise records. He has comparable stats to the best QB's to ever play in his first three seasons. Yet every post on here is about getting rid of him and starting fresh. I for one want nothing to do with that. I remember how hard it is to find a QB that can win with consistency. I will be a Dalton supporter until he stops improving and starts putting up losing seasons.

Remember Klingler, Akili, Palmer, etc. For cristsake, be happy to have one of the better QB's in the game for once. Build to his strengths and let him peek before jumping off the train.

[ArmyBengal]

I don't think everyone wants to get rid of Dalton, although there are a few.

Most just want him to take the next step and if he doesn't in 2014, I will be moving more to the side of looking for his replacement.

I know we've gone to the playoffs 3 straight seasons, but just getting there shouldn't be acceptable anymore.

At some point the next step has to be taken.

That being said, while I like Dalton's stats and the comparisons people like to throw out there, they haven't won a playoff game.

Here's to hoping 2014 is the season we see that change.

[gregcook68]

I must be in the minority, we have a QB that has gotten better every year he is here. He is setting franchise records. He has comparable stats to the best QB's to ever play in his first three seasons. Yet every post on here is about getting rid of him and starting fresh. I for one want nothing to do with that. I remember how hard it is to find a QB that can win with consistency. I will be a Dalton supporter until he stops improving and starts putting up losing seasons.

Remember Klingler, Akili, Palmer, etc. For cristsake, be happy to have one of the better QB's in the game for once. Build to his strengths and let him peek before jumping off the train.

I used to feel the same way, until my eyes were opened to reality here in these forums.

We are Bengal fans!

We are different from other fans.

We have a 3-4 year maximum on QBs to get the Bengals a championship.

We are not like Dallas. San Diego, Atlanta, and Chicago fans, who stick with their QBs as long as they are producing winning seasons with playoff runs.

WE WANT CHAMPIONSHIPS AND WE WANT THEM NOW!!!!!

Anything less than that is unacceptable!!!

[gregcook68]

I don't think everyone wants to get rid of Dalton, although there are a few.

Most just want him to take the next step and if he doesn't in 2014, I will be moving more to the side of looking for his replacement.

I know we've gone to the playoffs 3 straight seasons, but just getting there shouldn't be acceptable anymore.

At some point the next step has to be taken.

That being said, while I like Dalton's stats and the comparisons people like to throw out there, they haven't won a playoff game.

Here's to hoping 2014 is the season we see that change.

The Bengals have been there twice! Nothing less than a championship is acceptable anymore!!

[COB]

I'm just being real Scottish. COB has opened my eyes to the truth. Dalton is incapable of getting the Bengals to a SB, let alone winning it!

A Super Bowl? Who ever said anything about a Super Bowl.

I didn't say Dalton is incapable of winning a Super Bowl. I said he's incapable of winning even a playoff game, any playoff game. And I didn't say it so much as I pointed out the obvious. Reality. He's looked horrible in 3 playoff games. We aren't going to have this roster forever. It would have been nice to see our QB show up in at least one of those playoff games.

No one said the standard is "win a Super Bowl in your first 3 years or you're out". That's just you creating a straw man against which to make your argument, an argument based on blind faith and a theory of let's just see what happens. My argument is make something happen. Bring in someone to compete and hopefully replace Dalton. If Dalton wins the competition, so be it. Maybe the experience will make him a little more clutch. Correction, maybe the experience will make him clutch to some degree, any degree.

If Dalton were competitive in big games, I'd support him. Unfortunately, he's not.

[TJJackson]

This is why I want a "relief pitcher" quarterback for this team

A guy who gets more than the average reps for a backup every week and has the expectation to play more than half of some games (those being the "Bad Andy" games)

[gregcook68]

I'm just being real Scottish. COB has opened my eyes to the truth. Dalton is incapable of getting the Bengals to a SB, let alone winning it!

A Super Bowl? Who ever said anything about a Super Bowl.

I didn't say Dalton is incapable of winning a Super Bowl. I said he's incapable of winning even a playoff game, any playoff game. And I didn't say it so much as I pointed out the obvious. Reality. He's looked horrible in 3 playoff games. We aren't going to have this roster forever. It would have been nice to see our QB show up in at least one of those playoff games.

No one said the standard is "win a Super Bowl in your first 3 years or you're out". That's just you creating a straw man against which to make your argument, an argument based on blind faith and a theory of let's just see what happens. My argument is make something happen. Bring in someone to compete and hopefully replace Dalton. If Dalton wins the competition, so be it. Maybe the experience will make him a little more clutch. Correction, maybe the experience will make him clutch to some degree, any degree.

If Dalton were competitive in big games, I'd support him. Unfortunately, he's not.

I'm with ya homeboy! Get him out of there! I'm just taking a step further!

I want A SB QB.

Bengals have already been to two SBs.

Getting there isn't good enough! Peyton got there and got embarrassed!

IMHO doesn't matter if you go one and out or lose the SB! Still a loser either way!

Dalton will have had 4 tries after this year. He can't do it. We don't want to be like Dallas or Atlanta and keep a loser QB around forever! (Romo one playoff win in 10 years, Ryan one in 6 years)

Get rid of Dalton! !

[Walrus]

This is why I want a "relief pitcher" quarterback for this team

A guy who gets more than the average reps for a backup every week and has the expectation to play more than half of some games (those being the "Bad Andy" games)

I could be wrong, but I don't think the "relief pitcher" model has ever been successful in the NFL? I definitely remember the QB competitions set up w/ likes of Akili Smith, which never worked out. Seems like in the overwhelming majority of cases a team has to "s**t or get off the pot" with a QB and any attempts to dither on that don't end up well. When has this ever worked?

[TJJackson]

I don't know when or if it has ever worked

I simply know that given how streaky Dalton is, we need an option 1a, a "relief pitcher"

[COB]

He can't do it. We don't want to be like Dallas or Atlanta and keep a loser QB around forever! (Romo one playoff win in 10 years, Ryan one in 6 years)

Not fair to Romo or Ryan to bunch them in with a playoff flop like Dalton. They are competitive in playoff games.

4 playoff games for Tony Romo. 5 playoff games for Matt Ryan. 3 playoff games for Dalton.

Romo - 4 tds, 2 picks.

Ryan - 9 tds, 7 picks.

Dalton - 1 td, 6 picks.

PS - I think your exclamation point key is stuck.

[gregcook68]

He can't do it. We don't want to be like Dallas or Atlanta and keep a loser QB around forever! (Romo one playoff win in 10 years, Ryan one in 6 years)

Not fair to Romo or Ryan to bunch them in with a playoff flop like Dalton. They are competitive in playoff games.

4 playoff games for Tony Romo. 5 playoff games for Matt Ryan. 3 playoff games for Dalton.

Romo - 4 tds, 2 picks.

Ryan - 9 tds, 7 picks.

Dalton - 1 td, 6 picks.

PS - I think your exclamation point key is stuck.

The exclamation point key isn't stuck, just passionate about starting over!!!

We're on the same side now Cobster!

It is totally fair to compare them! Stats and competitiveness don't mean squat if you don't win the SB!!!! You're still a QB with decent to good season stats and a loser without a ring!!!!!

We know Dalton's first 3 year stats aren't that much different from Manning's first 3 years, including playoffs, but look at the results.

3 years and still no SB championship!!!

Look at Fat Ben's first SB game numbers!!! Horrific!!! But he still has a ring!!! He's still a champion!!!

Nothing but a SB victory will ever be good enough for the Bengals.

Bring on the next QB project. Dalton's had his shot, and is, quite frankly, getting on my nerves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[COB]

Look at Fat Ben's first SB game numbers!!!

You mean 2005? Ben's second year in the league? His playoff run that year - 7 tds, 3 picks. Playoff run. That means they made a run. That means he got past that first game. He did so by throwing 3 tds and zero picks in that first game. 3 and 0. You can reverse those numbers and see why we lost the playoff game in 2011, Andy threw 3 picks and 0 tds.

I can see why you've switched your way of thinking, Dalton has done very little to inspire what was apparently a paper-thin level of commitment from even you, Greg, his most ardent supporter.

[gregcook68]

Look at Fat Ben's first SB game numbers!!!

You mean 2005? Ben's second year in the league? His playoff run that year - 7 tds, 3 picks. Playoff run. That means they made a run. That means he got past that first game. He did so by throwing 3 tds and zero picks in that first game. 3 and 0. You can reverse those numbers and see why we lost the playoff game in 2011, Andy threw 3 picks and 0 tds.

I can see why you've switched your way of thinking, Dalton has done very little to inspire what was apparently a paper-thin level of commitment from even you, Greg, his most ardent supporter.

So you say, my mentor and most respected Bengal colleague since the great Paul Brown! I've never been an ardent supporter of any 'one' player. I've always been an ardent 'team' supporter.

Up until you blessed me with your dynamic wisdom and opened my eyes to the truth, I've always been one to believe that no matter how much I piss and moan about how the Bengals management operates, it won't change their strategy, so I might as well either root for the hand that's dealt, get behind the team, looking for bright spots, and hoping that the right choices and strategies are eventually made, switch teams, or just stop following it all together.

You have made me realize, that as a fan, who, without our support, the team would most likely go bankrupt, I have the right to demand excellence and to be a voice in the dark expecting it!!!

Having said that, I know, just like you do, that Dalton is incapable of winning a playoff game, let alone winning a championship in 2014.

2014 will be kind of a lame duck year, as far as a possible championship. So, the best thing I can hope and root for, is that the Bengals keep, and even sure up, the team they have 'around' the QB, and hope they will draft someone capable enough to sit, watch, and learn for a season, then take over in 2015 and lead us to the promised land!!!!!!!!!!

WHO DEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ArmyBengal]

So here's a question for anyone to think about...

If both the top CB's (Dennard and Gilbert) are off the board before #24, which is a possibility AND they bring back Collins, which direction would you like them to go in, assuming they stay at #24 ??

I think you can consider many options at that point.

Take the next rated CB, which I think would be a reach ??

Maybe DE with the thought of MJ leaving ??

OLB, Safety, DT ??

I personally think DE would probably be a logical way to go, but I would love it if Calvin Pryor was still there.

Would teaming Geno with Aaron Donald appeal to anyone ??

The Shazor train could get rolling again.

I was just thinking that with the cap going up, Collins is more than capable of being brought back.

Then what ??

[Scottishbengal]

CJ Mosley at linebacker

[TJJackson]

So here's a question for anyone to think about...

If both the top CB's (Dennard and Gilbert) are off the board before #24, which is a possibility AND they bring back Collins, which direction would you like them to go in, assuming they stay at #24 ??

BPA, generally, but if there is an absolute stud pass rusher, qb, or safety, I'd go that direction

I'd like to skip DT because I think one of the two young DTs will pan out, and I am hoping it will be Still who I think has a bigger upside

I keep getting told that there is no C worthy of round 1, otherwise C would be first on my list

[ArmyBengal]

I've not heard or read many great things about this Center group, but Weston Richburg jumps out as one to watch after the first round.

Thing is, i'm not convinced the Bengals see the need to draft a replacement for Cook (whom they seem to love).

I hope to see Still get over his injuries to prove himself. If not, and with Peko coming due next year, DT could jump up there.