Does anyone like Andy Dalton?

[redsbengalsbucks]

Meanwhile, his predecessor is being treated like a helpless abandoned puppy on Grantland.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9842765/bill-barnwell-carson-palmer

Kind of a skewed look at things in that article. The Bengals keeping him sitting and learning for a year, most likely was why he played so well early and those Bengals teams had just as much talent or more than the Bears teams on offense. The knee injury was the start of his downfall, but his lack of leadership is his biggest problem. He has no desire to become better, he seems more than happy to collect his paycheck and live on his dwindling talent as long as he can. I would not be surprised to find him out of work next season.

[HoosierCat]

A couple things on Carson. First, the idea that sitting him for a year was a lost season is absurd. That used to be SOP. Both Kenny and Boomer were brought along in the same way.

Second, the writer completely ignores the collapse of the o-line in 2006, starting with the loss of Buckethead three games in. No, Carson was never quite the same after the knee injury, but he never played behind a line as good as 2005's again in his career. IMO that has far more to do with his struggles than anything else.

[HoosierCat]

One other thought. While you won't get any argument from me that Carson was a great leader of men, I have to ask, what did he have to lead? A Diva No. 1 wideout who quit on the team in 2008 and changed his name to a number? A No. 2 WR who the article correctly notes Carson made, who decided after not getting paid in 2006 to skip subsequent offseason programs and leave ASAP? A running back who pouted and sulked on the sideline if he wasn't the focus of the game plan? A third wideout who was an immature fool, couldn't stay on the field because of suspensions and ultimately got killed in a car accident? And a head coach who, when he tried to take some measure of control by cutting said immature fool, got his balls publicly lopped off by the owner who signed the guy back over his objections?

Palmer may not have been much of a leader, but I submit that Napoleon himself couldn't have led this motley assortment on so much as a 5k run.

[volcom69]

Yep I agree Hoosier. I think it all went down after 2005, guys in the locker room changed, and not for the better. It's like when things started to finally go good for this team, guys decided they were better then all the rest. Marvin lost control of the team, and it fell apart.

[COB]

Dear Andy,

Jk! LOL.

COB

[HoosierCat]

It's all good, baby!

(Even I will admit to being mildly surprised at no dumb pick. Was waiting but it didn't come. Missed Green long a couple times and even the TD was short. Work to do.)

[Stripes]

It's all good, baby!

Yup.

Even I will admit to being mildly surprised at no dumb pick. Was waiting but it didn't come.

Yup.

Missed Green long a couple times and even the TD was short. Work to do.

Yup,

Helluva game by Dalton today though despite the deep misses. He made some seriously pretty throws.

[Stripes]

Dalton's numbers post-Lions:

164 / 249 (65.9%), 1924 yards, 7.73 YPA, 11 TDs, 6 INTs, 3 FUMs (1 lost I think?)

Extrapolated over a full season those would be (meaningless as this concept might be):

375 / 569 (65.9%), 4,398 yards, 25 TDs, 14 INTs, 7 FUMs

No idea about the quarterback rating... looks very near 90.0 at a glance.

[Kazkal]

It's not ridiculous, it's simple fact. Andy looks horrible at times. He overthrows wide open receivers, throws wobbly long balls, and in certain games like Cleveland he just plain looks horrible.

When his shortcomings are pointed out, typically folks will point to his stats and say, "see these stats? Andy is better than Bart Starr, Joe Namath, and Tom Brady all rolled into one AT THIS STAGE OF THEIR CAREERS." So it isn't ridiculous to me when stats that don't shine, convoluted though they may be, are highlighted.

I don't think anyone has denied he has short comings but doesn't mean he can't be successful with them or fact he could improve on them.

Dalton's numbers post-Lions:

164 / 249 (65.9%), 1924 yards, 7.73 YPA, 11 TDs, 6 INTs, 3 FUMs (1 lost I think?)

Extrapolated over a full season those would be (meaningless as this concept might be):

375 / 569 (65.9%), 4,398 yards, 25 TDs, 14 INTs, 7 FUMs

No idea about the quarterback rating... looks very near 90.0 at a glance.

Hopefully he can go well beyond that since he started out alittle rocky (Last two50 / 74 709 yards 6 td 1 int 0 Fumbles vs First Five 114 / 175 1215 yards 4TD 5 INT 2 Fumble loss)

[HoosierCat]

It seems appropriate to put Doc's argument that today's win is an indication of the team's character here. Dunno if he's right but FWIW.

/>http://www.zanesvilletimesrecorder.com/article/20131020/SPORTS/310200020

[Kazkal]

Seems like pretty good split among teams who more offensive with Franchise QB then the Defensive Teams who have questionmarks if there QB can be that player.

Packers,Colts,Broncos,Saints,Patriots,Packers team that do

Bengals,49ers,Seattle,Chiefs & Cowboys who don't

Then again those 5 teams with Franchise QB's all have superbowl rings where the other teams Haven't been to superbowl in along time (Outside of Seattle)

Dammit Logic

[skyline]

For those that complain about Dalton not throwing downfield, he certainly did so yesterday. And he did it well.

Yes, he underthrew Green a couple of times. To which I say... *shrug*

[HoosierCat]

Me, a couple weeks back:

CINCINNATI (AP) October 14, 2013 -- Calls for the Cincinnati Bengals to replace quarterback Andy Dalton grew louder after yesterday's 44-13 victory over the Buffalo Bills. Dalton, who threw for 480 yards and five touchdowns, was blasted by fans on local sports talk radio and internet forums after the game. Critics argued that his success in Buffalo was due only to the talent around him and pointed to his two imcompletions (Dalton was 28/30 overall) as proof that he is simply not an NFL-caliber QB.

"Look, the bottom line is that a real QB is 50 for 50 yesterday for 1,000 yards and 15 TDs, that's how bad the Bills were," said one irate fan. "If Dalton can't set an all-time passing record Sunday he's never going anywhere in this league."

Yup.

Andy Dalton left a ton of yards on the field. Yes, he made the plays to win the game and threw for 372 yards with three touchdown passes. However, he missed Green on a multitude of deep routes. If Dalton was more accurate on his deep ball, Green could have had 300 yards receiving and the game probably wouldn't have been close.

[skyline]

Me, a couple weeks back:

CINCINNATI (AP) October 14, 2013 -- Calls for the Cincinnati Bengals to replace quarterback Andy Dalton grew louder after yesterday's 44-13 victory over the Buffalo Bills. Dalton, who threw for 480 yards and five touchdowns, was blasted by fans on local sports talk radio and internet forums after the game. Critics argued that his success in Buffalo was due only to the talent around him and pointed to his two imcompletions (Dalton was 28/30 overall) as proof that he is simply not an NFL-caliber QB.

"Look, the bottom line is that a real QB is 50 for 50 yesterday for 1,000 yards and 15 TDs, that's how bad the Bills were," said one irate fan. "If Dalton can't set an all-time passing record Sunday he's never going anywhere in this league."

Yup.

Andy Dalton left a ton of yards on the field. Yes, he made the plays to win the game and threw for 372 yards with three touchdown passes. However, he missed Green on a multitude of deep routes. If Dalton was more accurate on his deep ball, Green could have had 300 yards receiving and the game probably wouldn't have been close.

Find me a QB this week that DIDN'T leave yards on the field.

I love hard-hitting in depth analysis like this. Let me give it a try!

The Bengals blocked one field goal in the game, but gave up 3 points that could have put the game away when they failed to block Akers' first FG of the game.

Some hire me! Quick!

[101Airborne]

I get that Dalton has issues. I understand that his deep ball accuracy is problematic at times, that he sometimes over-throws receivers on intermediate routes and that he sometimes forces balls and ends up with picks. But the amount of hate heaped on him by the media is eye-rolling and by the fans is jaw-dropping. The worst part is what people perceive to be the answer to the Andy Dalton problem, which seems to be that we need to draft the next Tom Brady, or simply abduct Brady and make him play for us instead.

I'm not delusional about Andy's abilities and limitations; I'm just baffled at how every bad throw, every INT, hell, every dropped pass is proof of how bad he is and how much better we'd be with [insert complete fantasy here]. Just look at the article Hoosier linked. Stafford played "stellar" except two minor issues. And Andy, well, I guess he made the plays to win the game, but other than 372 yards and 3tds, the guy did nothing!

Sorry if I seem bitter, but the first thing I had to hear from the other Bengals fans here at work this morning was how "Andy didn't play well." Are you f**king kidding me?

[HoosierCat]

What 101Airborne said, +1,000.

And to sky's point, yeah, what about that other QB on the field in Detroit yesterday? I distinctly remember at least three overthrows deep, including one that would have been another Calvin Johnson TD.

[ArmyBengal]

Again, this comes down to being able to be rational about Dalton.

You have those fans that simply hate him, and are always going to blast away regardless of what they just watched Sunday.

Then you have others that can acknowledge the fact he had a tremendous game, while still seeing he has things to work on.

Stafford had an equal amount of issues in that game and yet you hear next to none of that.

Anyone watch any of the other games this week ?? Plenty of very good QB's had bad games.

It happens and will continue to happen.

Dalton continues to improve and while I have my concerns with the long ball from time to time, i'm not going to bash away for the sake of it.

[redsbengalsbucks]

What 101Airborne said, +1,000.

And to sky's point, yeah, what about that other QB on the field in Detroit yesterday? I distinctly remember at least three overthrows deep, including one that would have been another Calvin Johnson TD.

There were more than three. They had open WR's/ TE's that were overthrown on almost every drive. Luckily the Lions were not playing perfect ball and the Bengals played just well enough to squeek out the W.

[101Airborne]

Again, this comes down to being able to be rational about Dalton.

You have those fans that simply hate him, and are always going to blast away regardless of what they just watched Sunday.

Then you have others that can acknowledge the fact he had a tremendous game, while still seeing he has things to work on.

Stafford had an equal amount of issues in that game and yet you hear next to none of that.

Anyone watch any of the other games this week ?? Plenty of very good QB's had bad games.

It happens and will continue to happen.

Dalton continues to improve and while I have my concerns with the long ball from time to time, i'm not going to bash away for the sake of it.

His long ball is a legitimate concern and an issue worthy of criticism, but people talk about it like it's some kind of disease that requires cutting the limb off. Seriously, other QBs have far worse issues and you don't see the media banging on about it every week, whether the QB plays well or not. I'm not even all that high on Dalton really, my reactions just come off that way because of the overwhelming negativity from some parts. Hell, Palmer gets more love from the media than Dalton and he's got issues left right and center.

I think any rational analysis of Dalton, whether by statistics or even just from eye-balling it reveals that he is a good but not great QB. The real question is, can he continue to improve and will he over come some of his weaknesses? I think a lot of people think he has hit his ceiling and found him wanting and therefore want to write him off. Others think he will get better and better and want to give him time to do that.

I fall into the second camp, because we are far more likely to end up with the next Freeman or Ponder than the next Brady or Manning. Even if we trade him in for another good but not great QB, then we've just dumped three years of progress and another high draft pick for no reason.

[kingwilly]

For all the Dalton critics and observers, the elephant in the room is that he's a big, bright, freckly ginger.

When was the last true flaming ginger who was an NFL star? Mecklenberg?

no. the NFL and fans want their QBs to be slash/flash (Kapernick/Cam), GQ worthy (Brady) or cerebral robocops (Manning).

No one wants a guy who looks like the bully Scut Farkus who attacks Ralphie in A Christmas Story to succeed.

[Kazkal]

Damned if you do Damned if you don't...Good stats or not we win with Dalton and thats all I care about unfortunately we don't have Payton Manning but realistically that's unreasonable. As for needing Franchise QB what Franchise QB have we had a shot at in last 3 years that would be better Option?

Luck? Gone Griffin? Gone Tannehill? gone Brandon Weeden? Pass Newton? Gone Locker?Available Gabbert:Available Ponder? H Kaepernick & Mallet are either one of them franchise QB yet? Then Geno Smith

Payton Manning - Hhahahahaha with offers he was getting not a chance in hell

Matt Flynn-One Game wonder has been given chance to be a teams answer at QB and gets Traded/Cut every time.

Locker- Would he be a Upgrade? Plus with locker means we have no Green

Gabbert-See Above

Ponder-See Above plus add he's already getting benched and replaced.

Geno Smith-T.O and Chad Johnson at QB Position I'll pass

Kaepernick-People having same questions about him being franchise QB seems have tools but lacks the mind.

[ArmyBengal]

Again, this comes down to being able to be rational about Dalton.

You have those fans that simply hate him, and are always going to blast away regardless of what they just watched Sunday.

Then you have others that can acknowledge the fact he had a tremendous game, while still seeing he has things to work on.

Stafford had an equal amount of issues in that game and yet you hear next to none of that.

Anyone watch any of the other games this week ?? Plenty of very good QB's had bad games.

It happens and will continue to happen.

Dalton continues to improve and while I have my concerns with the long ball from time to time, i'm not going to bash away for the sake of it.

I think any rational analysis of Dalton, whether by statistics or even just from eye-balling it reveals that he is a good but not great QB. The real question is, can he continue to improve and will he over come some of his weaknesses? I think a lot of people think he has hit his ceiling and found him wanting and therefore want to write him off. Others think he will get better and better and want to give him time to do that.

Sounds exactly like what they were saying about Flacco and he was winning playoff games.

Take away Flacco's weapons and he's just another QB. How's 3-4 working for him ??

Dalton is going to continue to take the heat he does by the media and I think it's a shame.

A sound bite I heard from the game yesterday ??

"Good thing Dalton bailed out the defense"

D*mn he sucks...

[HoosierCat]

"Scut" Dalton (hat tip to willy) up for Fedex air nod again...

/>http://www.nfl.com/voting/players-air-and-ground/2013/REG/7

[Sea Ray]

Kinda surprised Andrew Luck didn't make the cut

[skyline]

Kinda surprised Andrew Luck didn't make the cut

Racking up high yardage totals plays a big factor, I think.