HoosierCat Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 Baylor WR Josh Gordon is generating a lot of interest in Thursday's supplemental draft. Initial projections had him being seleted in the fourth round, but there's talk now of at least one team (allegedly in the NFC, thought to be the Redskins) who will use a third to grab him. Consensus appears to be settling around Gordon as a second-round talent, but with some background flags (bouncing around schools, financial difficulties, booze/weed, etc.).So...the Bengals still don't have a clear answer at No. 2 wideout. They've burned a pick in the supplemental before (Ahmad Brooks), and we all know how they love love love to draft wideouts. And they have an extra second round pick next year. Given how much youth they already have at wide receiver, I'm not expecting then to make a play for Gordon -- but at the same time, it wouldn't surprise me at all if they did. No question he would be a talented addition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 If they use anything before the 4th on him, I would not be happy about it.We are already talking about which WR we are going to have to part ways with as it is.Most don't even want a "proven" vet WR on the team, so why another rookie ??We will have holes to fill next season in the first 3 rounds that will be more of a priority than WR.4th round ?? Sure, but he won't be there come the 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 I'll pass. The Bengals main problem at the #2 spot is that they have a roster full of unproven guys. Gordon only has 1 year of college football - so he doesn't help that problem at all.Gordon might have a lot of potential, but he's also got some red flags... and is probably less NFL ready than either Sanu or Jones.Besides, with Sanu, Jones, Binns, Tate, Hawkins, and Whalen, Cincy is going to have to cut a WR or two that they claim to really like. Bringing in Gordon just makes that worse.You know where it makes sense? Pittsburgh. Use a 3rd round pick on him and coach him up for a year in anticipation of Wallace's departure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 The kids size and speed combination are very intriguing, but he's very raw being out of football for a while.I simply don't think he makes any sense for this team at this point in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 We will have holes to fill next season in the first 3 rounds that will be more of a priority than WR.Well, you (and everyone else, I'm sure) hope that WR won't be a priority next April. The thing is, right now our WR corps resembles Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: one mega-talent in Green and then a bunch of guys. Even if someone emerges, odds are it will be a slot guy, since the group, at least to me, seems to tilt in that direction.Now, is Gordon the solution? Probably not, for the reasons derek outlines. That said, if he lives up to the high-second-round grade he's been given, he'll probably be better -- eventually -- than anyone now on our roster not named Green.derek:You know where it makes sense? Pittsburgh. Use a 3rd round pick on him and coach him up for a year in anticipation of Wallace's departure.That makes altogether too much sense. I'd hate to see that happen, which means it probably will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 The thing is, right now our WR corps resembles Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: one mega-talent in Green and then a bunch of guys.I know you said you didn't think it would happen anyway, so not being argumentative, but....The only thing adding Gordon would do is add another name to the "bunch of guys".Like I said, I love the kids measureables, but I don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 The thing is, right now our WR corps resembles Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs: one mega-talent in Green and then a bunch of guys.I know you said you didn't think it would happen anyway, so not being argumentative, but....The only thing adding Gordon would do is add another name to the "bunch of guys".Like I said, I love the kids measureables, but I don't see it happening.Oh, no argument whatsoever. Gordon would indeed be just another guy. Question is, would he make a better backup/project than a guy like Whalen or Hawkins or Binns? Or is it worth keeping a vet who has never produced much of anything (Tate) instead of taking a shot with Gordon?I dunno. Sorry if I'm picking at this. I guess I'm still waiting to be convinced that we have what we need at receiver. 15 days until camp begins; we'll start to find out then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 9, 2012 Report Share Posted July 9, 2012 I'm cool with the talk about Hoosier, it's why I brought up the thread about another vet WR like James Jones.I think you always have to be looking at how to improve the roster, but i'm just not sold Gordon would in fact do that.Whalen is one of those guys that has time in the system, has done well when given a chance, but I don't think makes the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 10, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 10, 2012 The kid ran a 4.52 40 at his pro day today. Not OMG but not bad. 21 teams reportedly came, including the Browns. No word I've seen on whether the Bengals sent anyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 The kid ran a 4.52 40 at his pro day today. Not OMG but not bad. 21 teams reportedly came, including the Browns. No word I've seen on whether the Bengals sent anyone.Adam Caplan tweeted that he has confirmed all 21 teams, and that the Bengals weren't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 I think that's a good thing - like Derek said, they have plenty of guys with potential to be tested already, and they don't need another guy to testNow....a proven non-Diva veteran WR? That's another matter entirely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 11, 2012 Report Share Posted July 11, 2012 Now....a proven non-Diva veteran WR? That's another matter entirelyIs this what is called coming full circle ??Just for the record, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 So, the Browns use a 2nd round selection on Gordon.We will get to see him twice a year from here on out.Color me unconcerned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Well, he will never develop in Cleveland. They change rookie starting QB's every other year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 For how sad that WR corps is up there, he will easily be a day one starter.Now how much of an impact he makes is another question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 12, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Good pickup by Cleveland. Their WR corps is pretty crappy. If Gordon is even half as good as the hype he should quickly push for playing time.I wouldn't say I'm worried but I do think he increases the Browns' talent level. And it isn't like we wiped the floor with them last season. We won the first game on a fluke play by Gradkowski and the second by a Nugent FG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 12, 2012 Report Share Posted July 12, 2012 Good pickup by Cleveland. Their WR corps is pretty crappy. If Gordon is even half as good as the hype he should quickly push for playing time.I wouldn't say I'm worried but I do think he increases the Browns' talent level. And it isn't like we wiped the floor with them last season. We won the first game on a fluke play by Gradkowski and the second by a Nugent FG.Greg Little and Josh Gordon both have a ton of potential. If either/both of them pan out, that'll be dangerous. Combine that with Trent Richardson in the backfield, and Brandon Weeden has no excuses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 13, 2012 Report Share Posted July 13, 2012 We already did... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 He might be good, but i think it was stupid to use a 2nd round pick on him. He could pan out, but if he dosnt that is a second round pick that is wasted. They had plenty of times they could have used a pick on a WR in the draft and they didnt, someone like Alshon Jeffery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 My thing when considering the Browns move here is that it smacks of desparation and reaction to what another team "may" have done.That team being the Bills. The thought was that the Bills weren't willing to spend a 2nd on Gordon, but almost certainly would have taken him with a 3rd round pick. If this was in fact the case, it would force the Browns to give up their 2nd rounder, and they did.While I think Gordon could be a good player moving forward and the Browns WR corps sucks, I simply don't think making a move in giving up what is surely going to be a high 2nd rounder, based upon what you think another team may or may not do is the smart thing to do.Just like the draft, if you put a 3rd round grade on a player, you don't reach for him in the 2nd. You take the higher rated player and if that guy is there in the 3rd, you grab him. I don't think the supplemental draft is any different in that concern and it would appear they didn't stick to their board, had Gordon actually been in the draft.Don't get me wrong, I could be way off base and Gordon could have a pro bowl type season.I'd be willing to place a large wager that it won't happen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Not to be a Brown's defender... but Gordon was projected to be one of the top 3 WRs in next year's draft. (Whether it would have panned out like that is irrelevant - you go based on the information you currently have).Even if Gordon would have been available in the 3rd round of next year's draft, it's still worth it to use a higher pick on him this year - because you have an extra year to coach him up. A draft pick now is more valuable than a draft pick later.Not to mention that the Browns need WR help now... not later. And when you consider the current regime, they are already on borrowed time. If it ends up being a home run, they may have saved their jobs. Even if he busts, it's not the primary reason they would be working at the Citgo next year.All of that to say, given the current state of the Browns, the move makes sense. The front office needed to add talent in a major way - and waiting until next year to get that talent would likely mean that they watching from home while the new regime uses that 2nd round pick.Whether these aggressive moves they've made of late will pan out is anyone's guess (Richardson, Weeden, Gordon), but if I'm a Browns fan, the aggressive addition of talent sure as hell beats the sitting on their hands and trading down in the draft that has earned them a roster full of scrubs over the last few seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Pardon my ignorance and confusion here but how does the mechanics of the supplemental draft work? ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Pass.I just want to weigh in here and advocate the Bengals draft AJ Green... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 14, 2012 Report Share Posted July 14, 2012 Pardon my ignorance and confusion here but how does the mechanics of the supplemental draft work? ???/>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/11/before-the-supplemental-draft-the-nfl-has-its-own-draft-lottery/The Browns used a 2nd round pick in the supplemental draft, so now they won't have their 2nd round pick in the 2013 draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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