Carson Palmer Thread

[ArmyBengal]

Memo to TJ: "The right team" was the Cincinnati Bengals, you stupid idiot. You screwed your career up and screwed the Bengals up as well. When you choked in the playoffs last year I cheered. Go eat a bag of d**ks.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Exactly how I feel.

TJ blew the best thing he had going.

And before anyone mentions it, NO, don't consider bringing him back.

If they have to have another possession type receiver, go younger.

Dane Zanzenbacher from Ohio State went undrafted.

[BengalByTheBay]

Memo to TJ: "The right team" was the Cincinnati Bengals, you stupid idiot. You screwed your career up and screwed the Bengals up as well. When you choked in the playoffs last year I cheered. Go eat a bag of d**ks.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Exactly how I feel.

TJ blew the best thing he had going.

And before anyone mentions it, NO, don't consider bringing him back.

If they have to have another possession type receiver, go younger.

Dane Zanzenbacher from Ohio State went undrafted.

I'd keep Shipley over TJ right now even if the price was identical.

[volcom69]

Memo to TJ: "The right team" was the Cincinnati Bengals, you stupid idiot. You screwed your career up and screwed the Bengals up as well. When you choked in the playoffs last year I cheered. Go eat a bag of d**ks.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Exactly how I feel.

TJ blew the best thing he had going.

And before anyone mentions it, NO, don't consider bringing him back.

If they have to have another possession type receiver, go younger.

Dane Zanzenbacher from Ohio State went undrafted.

I agree stay young, and i think the young WRs will show alot of promise this year. I will be happy if they get rid of Chad, and just let the young guns learn!

[HairOnFire]

Here's a long meandering article that mostly goes nowhere, and when properly nutshelled mostly comes down to the following odd little nugget.

Whatever Carson Palmer's lasting legacy amongst Bengal fans MIGHT be it likely won't be determined by Palmer itself. Rather, according to this writer, our future feelings for Palmer will be determined by how well Andy Dalton plays, not Palmer. If Dalton plays well Palmer will be more easily forgiven for abandoning this franchise, this city, this fanbase, the teammates he's attempting to leave behind, and ultimately....his own career. Left unsaid, if Dalton struggles or busts outright we're all going to think less of Palmer because of the way his demands forced the team into drafting Dalton in the first place.

BTW, as I read the article I kept asking myself if the word "legacy" isn't a bit too grand to describe Carson Palmer's playing career.

Palmer delivered for Bengals but could damage them, too

Posted July 05, 2011 @ 5:09 p.m. ET

By Mike Wilkening

Since the news broke in January that QB Carson Palmer wanted out of Cincinnati, the focus has been on whether the Bengals will trade him or hold on to his rights.

I've been pondering something else. If, indeed, Palmer is done playing for the Bengals, how will we remember his career in Cincinnati?

Let's go back to the start.

It is easy to forget that Palmer wasn't a surefire, slam-dunk No. 1 overall pick for Cincinnati in 2003. At the NFL Scouting Combine that year, head coach Marvin Lewis indicated Palmer, QB Byron Leftwich, WR Charles Rogers and CB Terence Newman were at the top of the Bengals' draft board.

Of those four players, Palmer has been most valuable pro, so give the Bengals credit for isolating the appropriate selection out of that group. (More on this subject in a moment.)

more: http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/07/05/palmer-delivered-for-bengals-but-could-damage-them

[jjakq27]

http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/07/14/palmer-stakeout-no-show-so-far/

Dunn, who is also at the tournament, had no comment when asked for an update on things between Palmer and the Bengals.

[HoosierCat]

Now that the CBA is (almost) done, things should get interesting on the Carson front. Depending on where the floor ends up and how the new salary cap accounting rules work, they may not be able to keep $11.5 million in cap space open, in which case Carson could force a trade or release by unretiring, a la Favre and the Jets. We shall see.

[walzav29]

Has Carson filed his retirement papers with the league?

[HoosierCat]

Someone asked mort that on twitter a couple weeks back and according to him, no.

[HairOnFire]

Now that the CBA is (almost) done, things should get interesting on the Carson front. Depending on where the floor ends up and how the new salary cap accounting rules work, they may not be able to keep $11.5 million in cap space open, in which case Carson could force a trade or release by unretiring, a la Favre and the Jets. We shall see.

How can you force a team to trade or release you by reporting for duty IF reporting for duty is exactly what the team wants most of all?

[jjakq27]

Now that the CBA is (almost) done, things should get interesting on the Carson front. Depending on where the floor ends up and how the new salary cap accounting rules work, they may not be able to keep $11.5 million in cap space open, in which case Carson could force a trade or release by unretiring, a la Favre and the Jets. We shall see.

I've got a feeling that they may not do anything with him until next season. Trading him now would give them nothing in return unless they are able to get a player or two and draft picks next year.If it's only draft picks, you are really not helping the team at all this year.

[HoosierCat]

How can you force a team to trade or release you by reporting for duty IF reporting for duty is exactly what the team wants most of all?

What the Bengals want and what they're able to do may end up being two different things. Like I said, it depends on where the salary floor ends up and how the new cap accounting rules work. Early reports had the floor at 90% to 93% of the cap. If it's 90% then the Bengals can -- barely -- reserve enough to absorb Carson without a problem. But if it goes much higher they would have to start cutting guys or restructuring deals to gain cap space. If as later reports suggested, the floor is going to go pretty much all the way up to the cap itself, then Carson showing up could mean they'd have to choose between him and cutting three or four other players.

For the record, like jj I don't expect anything to happen this year. 2012 could be different.

[volcom69]

I thought that if Carson dosnt come back they can use that 11.5 million on other players, maybe im mixed up

[HoosierCat]

I thought that if Carson dosnt come back they can use that 11.5 million on other players, maybe im mixed up

No, they can use that money, and cap space, on other players. The problem comes if the Bengals do that and end up, say, $5 million under the cap. Then the next day Carson reports. With his $11.5 million salary back on the books, the Bengals are suddenly $6.5 million over the cap. So they either have to let Palmer go or cut another player or players until they are back under the cap.

In order to prevent that from happening, the Bengals have two options: one, stay at least $11.5 million under the cap, which may or may not be possible under the new salary cap rules. Or two, carry some big-money dead weight (think Chad, Odom, maybe Geathers) on the roster that you can cut to free up cap space.

[volcom69]

I thought that if Carson dosnt come back they can use that 11.5 million on other players, maybe im mixed up

No, they can use that money, and cap space, on other players. The problem comes if the Bengals do that and end up, say, $5 million under the cap. Then the next day Carson reports. With his $11.5 million salary back on the books, the Bengals are suddenly $6.5 million over the cap. So they either have to let Palmer go or cut another player or players until they are back under the cap.

In order to prevent that from happening, the Bengals have two options: one, stay at least $11.5 million under the cap, which may or may not be possible under the new salary cap rules. Or two, carry some big-money dead weight (think Chad, Odom, maybe Geathers) on the roster that you can cut to free up cap space.

Im all for letting the dead weight go, goodbye Chad, Odom, Geathers, players who have under performed, and are making way to much money. Oh and im for letting Palmer sit, in my eyes he is a waste of space also!!! Its time to get rid of dead weight, and actully spend the money on players who are going to help this team, time to set up for the future!!

[HoosierCat]

Im all for letting the dead weight go, goodbye Chad, Odom, Geathers, players who have under performed, and are making way to much money. Oh and im for letting Palmer sit, in my eyes he is a waste of space also!!! Its time to get rid of dead weight, and actully spend the money on players who are going to help this team, time to set up for the future!!

From your lips to Mike Brown's ears. I don't think there's a single Bengals fan that isn't ready to move on, though of course the details of how they would do it vary.

[HairOnFire]

I thought that if Carson dosnt come back they can use that 11.5 million on other players, maybe im mixed up

No, they can use that money, and cap space, on other players. The problem comes if the Bengals do that and end up, say, $5 million under the cap. Then the next day Carson reports. With his $11.5 million salary back on the books, the Bengals are suddenly $6.5 million over the cap. So they either have to let Palmer go or cut another player or players until they are back under the cap.

In order to prevent that from happening, the Bengals have two options: one, stay at least $11.5 million under the cap, which may or may not be possible under the new salary cap rules. Or two, carry some big-money dead weight (think Chad, Odom, maybe Geathers) on the roster that you can cut to free up cap space.

FWIW several weeks ago Jason LaCanfora discussed how the Bengals might choose to manage Palmer's salary under a new salary cap. Long story short LaCanfora claimed there were advantages and disadvantages to every strategy the Bengals might consider, but regardless of which one they finally picked Carson Palmer's leverage won't be positively impacted for numerous reasons. Not the least of which was said to be Mike Brown's willingness to take Palmer back when other teams wouldn't, his willingness to carry Palmer's cap hit for far longer than other teams might, and perhaps most importantly...the Bengals current lack of suitable replacement options. Furthermore, LaCanfora pointed out how the size of Palmer's contract has already been accounted for and no further planning is needed to fit it under this years cap or next years. Last, LaCanfora openly mocked the suggestion that the Bengals would have to make any significant moves to meet the requirements of a so-called salary floor.

Nutshelled, LaCanfora claimed that despite the contracts size the Bengals should have roughly zero problems managing Carson Palmer's cap hit as long as they're willing to do so, and went on to say that Palmer's leverage won't increase until Andy Dalton's play progresses to the point where Palmer simply isn't needed or wanted any longer.

[volcom69]

Well if this is the case then Brown better open up his check book, and get AJ Green in here on time, and cut Chad!! Re-sign there own players, i think that is the top priority, and if they can not get JJoe signed then they better get somebody just as good to replace him. Bottom line its time for Brown to open the check book, and bring in YOUNG and up and coming players or sign there own free agents.

[HoosierCat]

Nutshelled, LaCanfora claimed that despite the contracts size the Bengals should have roughly zero problems managing Carson Palmer's cap hit as long as they're willing to do so,

I would agree with that. But as he also said, there are advantages and disadvantages. For example, is it worth it to hold $11.5 million worth of cap space unused and lose Hall or Joseph in order to prove that nobody screws with Mike Brown? Or is it worth keeping highly-paid distractions and noncontributors, like Chad or Odom, on the roster just so you have someone to cut if Palmer comes back? In other words, exactly how much of your nose do you cut off to spite your face? In the end, I think Brown moves Palmer, but not until 2012.

[HoosierCat]

Salary cap stuff from espn. Bengals get a break for 2 years.

/>http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/6773711/talks-recessed-owners-give-free-agency

The NFL and its players agreed on Thursday night to a $120 million cap with players agreeing to a team minimum cash payroll of 89 percent of the cap as long as the league-wide cash guarantee is 99 percent of the cap, sources said. For example, the Cincinnati Bengals, Buffalo Bills or Jacksonville Jaguars would be required to have a minimum cash payroll of $106.8 million in 2011. If they fail to reach that level by the end of the season, they would distribute the difference to the players on team at the end of the season.

League-wide, the 32 NFL teams must spend $118.8 million per team -- $3.801 billion -- in 2011.

That 89-99 formula stays in place for the first two years of a proposed new collective bargaining agreement. In the third year, the guaranteed spend of a team rises to 95 percent.

This adjustment was made for teams such as the Bengals and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Bengals cash payroll would be at roughly $60 million if they release or trade wide receiver Chad Ochocinco and Carson Palmer sits out the season, removing $17 million from their payroll. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers have a current payroll of $63 million. Instead of having to spend to $120 million, the Bengals would have to spend $46.8 million in cash this year while the Bucs would have to spend $43.8 million.

[jjakq27]

Carson looks like he's lost some weight. Glad he waited until he was leaving to shed some lbs. :frustrated:

/>http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/07/16/just-in-case-palmer-is-working-out/

When asked by other reporters if he had any comments on his future, Palmer remained steadfast and said that “I’m not going to talk about any of that stuff.”

[BengalszoneBilly]

Carson looks like he's lost some weight. Glad he waited until he was leaving to shed some lbs. :frustrated:

/>http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/07/16/just-in-case-palmer-is-working-out/

When asked by other reporters if he had any comments on his future, Palmer remained steadfast and said that “I’m not going to talk about any of that stuff.”

F**k Carson the quitter. The most weight he lost is when his wife took his dick from him and moved back to Cali.

[volcom69]

Carson looks like he's lost some weight. Glad he waited until he was leaving to shed some lbs. :frustrated:

/>http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/07/16/just-in-case-palmer-is-working-out/

When asked by other reporters if he had any comments on his future, Palmer remained steadfast and said that “I’m not going to talk about any of that stuff.”

F**k Carson the quitter. The most weight he lost is when his wife took his dick from him and moved back to Cali.

LOL LOL you sir are correct!!!! The only balls he will be playing with this year are the ones his wife took from him.....Fetch Carson Fetch. Carson what a loser!!!

[jjakq27]

Carson looks like he's lost some weight. Glad he waited until he was leaving to shed some lbs. :frustrated:

http://cincinnati.co...is-working-out/

When asked by other reporters if he had any comments on his future, Palmer remained steadfast and said that "I'm not going to talk about any of that stuff."

F**k Carson the quitter. The most weight he lost is when his wife took his dick from him and moved back to Cali.

LOL LOL you sir are correct!!!! The only balls he will be playing with this year are the ones his wife took from him.....Fetch Carson Fetch. Carson what a loser!!!

They are safely tucked away in a jar up on a book shelf somewhere in the Palmer manor. For display purposes only.

[cincyhokie]

I still don't know why alot of you guys are pissed at Palmer. He removed his own non-commited self from the equation. Wa-la. No more wondering if Palmer has "it" anymore. Turn the page. Thanks, Carson.

"But he really left this team in a bind."

Really? The same team that was 4-12 last year? Not seeing what we have to lose by him being gone. Hopefully Chad is next...

[HairOnFire]

Carson looks like he's lost some weight. Glad he waited until he was leaving to shed some lbs. :frustrated:

Yup. Several months ago there was a rumor about Palmer not only working out, but also continuing his traditional offseason throwing program. Now, months later, who amongst us is suprised to see how Palmer and friends, while steadfastly refusing to say anything, somehow managed to say just enough to confirm those earlier rumors.

Perhaps it's just a coincidence that a player attempting to force a trade breaks his own self-imposed media blackout to remind any interested parties that Carson Palmer is in the best shape of his life, having dropped over 20 lbs. since the end of the season.

Just imagine it. Carson Palmer without the now familiar butter soft covering of baby fat.

It's almost enough to make the idea of trading FOR Palmer attractive.