Carson Palmer Thread

[HoosierCat]

Not true. In fact, let the messages sent to Chad Ochocinco and Carson Palmer be delivered someday to those yet born. (Yeah, I'm looking at you, Cam Newton)

I wouldn't be looking in that direction if I were you. Nothing will get Carson out of Cincy faster than using the 4 on Cam.

[membengal]

And then the league will immediately appeal any such decision from Doty and take up residence in Minneapolis w/ an appeal to the 7th circuit, I would guess, and my brothers and sisters in law will begin to make their money. Nothing is going to happen quickly on this, Kaz. I would suggest not living and dying with each possibility for the next little bit.

Did free agency start last night at midnight??? No? Shocking.

still doesn't mean won't happen after judge rules on it, chance of it happening just like theres chance it won't "shrug"

What it means is, Doty rules, the NFL appeals, and nothing happens on it as long as the NFL appeals the Doty ruling. Which they will.

[jjakq27]

MB on CP
/>http://cincinnati.com/blogs/bengals/2011/03/14/subtle-jab-directed-at-carson-by-brown/

“I’m not looking to send messages through the media or to the player or the public about a player,” Brown said.

In other words, Brown continues to be entrenched in his position about not trading the quarterback despite repeated reports from Palmer’s friends that he is at peace with retiring unless traded. It also means the public dialogue will continue to be mostly one sided, coming from Palmer’s side.

[HairOnFire]

Not true. In fact, let the messages sent to Chad Ochocinco and Carson Palmer be delivered someday to those yet born. (Yeah, I'm looking at you, Cam Newton)

I wouldn't be looking in that direction if I were you. Nothing will get Carson out of Cincy faster than using the 4 on Cam.

Perhaps, but that's only true in examples involving the 4th overall pick. Drafting a QB later in the 1st round, or waiting until the 2nd or 3rd round, actually increases the Bengals leverage over Palmer.

Furthermore, as Mike Lombardi pointed out recently, almost all owners believe a rookie salary cap will eventually be included in any new CBA. If true, the Bengals draft position at #4 would no longer be undesirable for other teams, making it far easier to trade out of if they want. And second, if they choose to stay put a rookie salary cap would make the new QB's salary far easier to manage, so much so that Lombardi claimed it would be comparable to a current mid 1st round pick.

[ArmyBengal]

I've always been really supportive of Carson and can agree that what he's doing is causing headaches for some people I really don't like much, but i've lost respect for him as this has drawn out. I'm more of a make your point kind of person and then move on. I don't like comments coming from everyone but him and the apparent contentment in letting every story circulate without comment.

I know it's a business and he has every right to do what he thinks is best, but something should have been said.

It sucks when you lose respect for someone you thought otherwise of.

Trade him or force him to retire, but I no longer want him back on the Bengals for any reason.

It just comes off as him being a real p*ssy.

[HairOnFire]

I don't like comments coming from everyone but him and the apparent contentment in letting every story circulate without comment.

By saying nothing Palmer is allowing himself plenty of wiggle room if he isn't traded. I doubt that's a coincidence.

[ArmyBengal]

I don't like comments coming from everyone but him and the apparent contentment in letting every story circulate without comment.

By saying nothing Palmer is allowing himself plenty of wiggle room if he isn't traded. I doubt that's a coincidence.

Oh I have little doubt about "why" is doing what he is, I simply think it's a bullsh*t way of going about it.

Not that means a lot of any d*mn thing to anyone, just my personal thought on the matter.

I think he's being a p*ssy and have issue with that approach.

Wiggle this Carson ----> F*CK YOU !!!

[BengalPimp]

I still don't believe Carson is going anywhere......Also since there most likely won't be a new CBA by the time the draft rolls around, i don't see a trade coming, as the Bengals won't be able to pick up any draft picks this year.....

If Carson really wanted out that bad, he would have made a statement himself, not "a friend close to the situation" crap.

I'll take him back happily, as there really aren't a ton of options, and I still think he's a better QB than anyone we could get via Draft or Trade. Great QB's just don't come available on the open market.

Also, I wouldn't waste a high draft pick (rounds 1-4) on a QB just to take one. I would use those picks on O-Line, D-Line, WR, RB, Safety, etc....All QB prospects this year are garbage, whereas there should be quite a few good ones next year.

[HairOnFire]

Carson Palmer collecting boxes behind grocery stores

March 15, 2011

Nerf.com

CINCINNATI, OH - Further fueling conjecture that Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer will no longer play in Cincinnati, he has been has reportedly been seen gathering cardboard boxes from behind local grocery stores. This news comes a week after reports surfaced that Palmer may be selling his Indian Hill home.

Palmer was captured on security camera video rummaging through the dumpster behind a local Kroger, tossing larger cardboard boxes into the back of his truck. Some of the boxes he threw landed where he wanted them to but most of them sailed away into the beds of other pickup trucks. Observers were not sure if the errant tosses could be blamed on Palmer, or if his truck was at fault for running the wrong route. Palmer suggested a little scouting intelligence wouldn't have hurt.

“I thought I had more boxes in the basement,” said Palmer. “But then I remembered I loaned them out over the years to Corey Dillon, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Neil Rackers, Shayne Graham, Eric Ghiaciuc, Justin Smith, and a couple dozen other guys whose names I don’t remember.”

Palmer went on to say that collecting the boxes was not difficult. “I didn’t mind going through the trash. Though sometimes it was hard to find what I was looking for with all those unsold boxes of “Ochocinco’s” breakfast cereal in the way.”

When asked why he did not just pay a moving company to provide the boxes, Palmer explained, “I’m trying not to spend much money in this county because the taxes just end up going to Mike Brown.

Palmer told reporters he also plans to return the rented PODS container on his driveway as soon as his borther Jordan moves out of it.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Palmer told reporters he also plans to return the rented PODS container on his driveway as soon as his borther Jordan moves out of it.

[HairOnFire]

The longer Carson Palmer doesn't play the more he's worth?

From Clark Judge, CBSSports

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Posted on: March 16, 2011 10:58 am

A GM with a club that could use a quarterback told me Wednesday he believes the Cincinnati Bengals know Carson Palmer won't play for them again. But he also believes Palmer won't be dealt -- if he's dealt at all -- for nearly a year.

First of all, with a lockout there can be no player movement. So that takes care of trade talk for now. But when a new CBA is in place, the Bengals will be free to field offers, only there's a widespread belief that they won't be interested. Reason: If the Bengals grant Palmer his wish and trade him, owner Mike Brown sees it as a precedent for other disgruntled players to follow.

He's probably right. Only Carson Palmer isn't another disgruntled player. He's is the team leader, someone who didn't complain, conducted himself with class and did what he could to make the Bengals better. In the end, it wasn't enough, and Palmer gave up. Now, he is finished with the Bengals, and I've heard it from too many people not to believe it. So has our GM.

And so have his coaches. The GM said the Bengals' Marvin Lewis knows Palmer won't play for him again, and he should. He talked to the guy. But there's that matter of what to do next, and this may be a test of Lewis' power and leverage -- both of which he may have gained by agreeing to a two-year extension when he was expected to leave.

Essentially, the question is this: Can he convince Brown to deal Palmer for draft picks, players or both to get something of value this season? Most people believe he cannot, and that was reiterated by our GM who said he's certain Cincinnati won't budge on Palmer because of what it would mean for others.

But he also said that if Palmer is true to his word and retires it might increase his value for 2012, with teams believing that if he has that much of a conviction, is that disciplined, is that true to himself, then he's exactly the sort of quarterback they'd like as a leader.

"He can still play, and he can still play at a high level," the GM said.

What he can't ... or won't ... do is play in Cincinnati, and the Bengals know it. Now the question: What do they do about it?

[HoosierCat]

But he also said that if Palmer is true to his word and retires it might increase his value for 2012, with teams believing that if he has that much of a conviction, is that disciplined, is that true to himself, then he's exactly the sort of quarterback they'd like as a leader.

I think saying it would increase his value is a stretch. But this goes back to a discussion we had earlier in this thread: how will Palmer's actions play elsewhere around the league? Will he be deemed a quitter who lacks drive and fire? Or just a sane player who wants out of franchise widely viewed as a joke? Time will tell.

[Sea Ray]

The longer Carson Palmer doesn't play the more he's worth?

From Clark Judge, CBSSports

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Posted on: March 16, 2011 10:58 am

A GM with a club that could use a quarterback told me Wednesday he believes the Cincinnati Bengals know Carson Palmer won't play for them again. But he also believes Palmer won't be dealt -- if he's dealt at all -- for nearly a year...

But he also said that if Palmer is true to his word and retires it might increase his value for 2012, with teams believing that if he has that much of a conviction, is that disciplined, is that true to himself, then he's exactly the sort of quarterback they'd like as a leader.

"He can still play, and he can still play at a high level," the GM said.

What he can't ... or won't ... do is play in Cincinnati, and the Bengals know it. Now the question: What do they do about it?

I guess that's one take on whether other team's will view him as a quitter

[HairOnFire]

But he also said that if Palmer is true to his word and retires it might increase his value for 2012, with teams believing that if he has that much of a conviction, is that disciplined, is that true to himself, then he's exactly the sort of quarterback they'd like as a leader.

I think saying it would increase his value is a stretch. But this goes back to a discussion we had earlier in this thread: how will Palmer's actions play elsewhere around the league?

I'm not sure it's that much of a stretch, mostly because I see absolutely no reason why his value would be any less a year from now. And I can think of a few where it might be better. Furthermore, you've repeatedly painted scenarios where Palmer is traded for a pick in the 2012 draft, and if there's no immediate gain to be had from trading Palmer there's no incentive to move him quickly.

Will he be deemed a quitter who lacks drive and fire? Or just a sane player who wants out of franchise widely viewed as a joke?

Most Bengal fans will always default to the franchise is a joke rant. It's who we are. But outside of the borders of Bengala I'd say it all depends on which version of the story gains the most traction, which is exactly why I say it's so important Palmer address his grievances publically IF he wants to play again. Does he want out because he only has so much time left? Does he want out because his wife keeps his nuts in a jar? Does he want out because Mike Brown throws a lousy Christmas party?

Or as the unnamed GM from the article claims, does Palmer want out because....(wait for it)......he no longer wants to play for Marvin Lewis?

[cincyhokie]

The longer Carson Palmer doesn't play the more he's worth?

From Clark Judge, CBSSports

One man's opinion: Bengals won't budge on Palmer

Posted on: March 16, 2011 10:58 am

A GM with a club that could use a quarterback told me Wednesday he believes the Cincinnati Bengals know Carson Palmer won't play for them again. But he also believes Palmer won't be dealt -- if he's dealt at all -- for nearly a year...

But he also said that if Palmer is true to his word and retires it might increase his value for 2012, with teams believing that if he has that much of a conviction, is that disciplined, is that true to himself, then he's exactly the sort of quarterback they'd like as a leader.

"He can still play, and he can still play at a high level," the GM said.

What he can't ... or won't ... do is play in Cincinnati, and the Bengals know it. Now the question: What do they do about it?

I guess that's one take on whether other team's will view him as a quitter

It's hard to imagine another possible trade scenario better than THIS year. There are 3 teams in the same division that need a QB. Almost as important, they need the other teams in the division to not get him. That alone should drive his trading value up more than what he may be worth as a 32 year old QB with a year of no playing time.

But, whatever. If for some reason we were to get more for him a year later, so be it. I just don't see that happening, though.

[ArmyBengal]

Put me in the camp that cannot envision him being worth more a season later when you consider the teams that are QB needy this season may not be next year. Couple that with where Carson would like to go, the teams that are needy, and the impact he would have in those teams divisions and I still think there is much to be had if he is traded this year. Those rewards may not be able to be reaped until next draft (future draft picks), but I think that would also increase what they get in return if the Bengals are forced to wait a year to see a return.

Bottomline, both the 49er's and Seahawks would be great places for Carson to go and he is a need there.

Him going to those teams increases their chances for the playoffs DRAMATICALLY.

How much is that worth to those teams ??

Add the Cardinals to that mix and I really think something could still get done.

I'm hopeful.

[TJJackson]

I guess that's one take on whether other team's will view him as a quitter

and more importantly, if we believe the writer, one GM whose team needs a QB

I dont think the average NFL GM is stupid (ours being an obvious exception to the rule) and so I am quite certain they all understand that Cincinnati = Siberia in football terms

Ergo, I doubt any of them see him as a quitter.

I also believe he has good football left in him, based on the games he had without the Two Loon Platoon on the field

[HairOnFire]

I dont think the average NFL GM is stupid (ours being an obvious exception to the rule) and so I am quite certain they all understand that Cincinnati = Siberia in football terms

Yeah, I'm familiar with the rant. Cincinnati is Siberia, a vast frozen wasteland filled almost to the brim with nothing of real value. And PBS is a gulag where comrades are made to disappear. As for the locals, they're best described as a bunch of drunken potato eaters who actually deserve their miserable fate.

Have I forgotten anything?

Yet I remind you once again, according to the source Palmer's complaint isn't with the much despised King of Siberia, but rather....with the head coach. In fact, the unnamed GM not only says as much, but claims the message was delivered by Marvin Lewis himself. And while that may not matter to the angry hordes of drunken potato eaters who call Siberia home, it might matter to others. After all, a dispute between a head coach and an underachieving star QB isn't exactly something new or unique. But a players willingness to sacrifice his own career prematurely is.

Ergo, I doubt any of them see him as a quitter.

Question. If Palmer really does quit how will you see him? As a hero? As a victim? Or as the quitter he'd actually prove himself to be?

[BengalszoneBilly]

Question. If Palmer really does quit how will you see him? As a hero? As a victim? Or as the quitter he'd actually prove himself to be?

You omitted "p***y whipped".

[cincyhokie]

Question. If Palmer really does quit how will you see him? As a hero? As a victim? Or as the quitter he'd actually prove himself to be?

For me, the man is making a decision. It's his decision to make. He's been paid for the years played and he's deciding to not play for the Bengals anymore. Not a hero, not a victim.

Barry Sanders? Quitter? Jim Brown? Quitter? Different circumstances I know. Ultimately they made a career decision.

Here's what we do know. There are a dozen different scenarios that outline why he's deciding not to play for the Bengals anymore. None of us know what the answer is. Some of us might be guessing the right answer but we may never know.

What or who is he actually "quitting"? You, me, the fanbase? His teammates? Cincinnati? Is it the fact that he is a millionaire and can flex his freedom of choice more than us?

Is it a loyalty thing? I can understand that to an extent but for me this display of dishonor, or whatever, is a drop in the bucket to the way in which this organization has treated the fans for the last 20 plus years. There is a HUGE lack of commitment from the organization to the fans...yet we are upset at Carson for "quitting"? The organization has never necessarily "quit" but they have never shown a semblance of loyalty to the fans either.

[BengalPimp]

I guess that's one take on whether other team's will view him as a quitter

and more importantly, if we believe the writer, one GM whose team needs a QB

I dont think the average NFL GM is stupid (ours being an obvious exception to the rule) and so I am quite certain they all understand that Cincinnati = Siberia in football terms

Ergo, I doubt any of them see him as a quitter.

I also believe he has good football left in him, based on the games he had without the Two Loon Platoon on the field

Oh no, I found myself agreeing with everything TJ just said.........I'm scared.....

[HoosierCat]

I'm not sure it's that much of a stretch, mostly because I see absolutely no reason why his value would be any less a year from now. And I can think of a few where it might be better. Furthermore, you've repeatedly painted scenarios where Palmer is traded for a pick in the 2012 draft, and if there's no immediate gain to be had from trading Palmer there's no incentive to move him quickly.

I don't believe Palmer's value is in any danger of going down, either. I'm just not sure I see it going up. I agree that there's no particular rush to move him. Personally, I would rather see them do it and move on, but obviously that can't happen because of the ongoing CBA mess.

Most Bengal fans will always default to the franchise is a joke rant. It's who we are. But outside of the borders of Bengala I'd say it all depends on which version of the story gains the most traction, which is exactly why I say it's so important Palmer address his grievances publically IF he wants to play again.

I dunno. I don't think Bengals fans have, by and large, decided the organization is at fault. More and more I see piling on Palmer. But outside of the Bengals fan bubble, how much is anyone paying attention, especially with the labor dispute going on? I see conversations here and there about Palmer on blogs and message boards for other teams, and objections raised are usually about him being washed up, not about him being a quitter. I don't see where his silence is hurting him, except of course with Bengals fans.

[Sea Ray]

It's hard to imagine another possible trade scenario better than THIS year. There are 3 teams in the same division that need a QB. Almost as important, they need the other teams in the division to not get him. That alone should drive his trading value up more than what he may be worth as a 32 year old QB with a year of no playing time.

But, whatever. If for some reason we were to get more for him a year later, so be it. I just don't see that happening, though.

I would agree with you if not for the CBA. What value will he have to another team in 2011 if he has no training camp? I might also add that one of Carson's negatives on draft day was that he was not quick to pick up a new system. That may have been one of the reasons we've had to stomach Brat for so long.

Carson would be disaster if he didn't both learn a system thoroughly and develop timing with his WRs

I see him as a poor fit for another team in 2011

[HairOnFire]

For me, the man is making a decision. It's his decision to make.

Actually, he's not making the decision at all. Rather, he's attempting to force others to make the decision about whether he plays again. And if that weren't enough he's dictating the decision be made by parties that would be acting against their own self-interests if they agreed to his demands.

Barry Sanders? Quitter? Jim Brown? Quitter? Different circumstances I know. Ultimately they made a career decision.

Right, but it's not the things that are comparable that stand out. It's the different circumstances. More specifically, it's Palmer's still unsubstantiated claim that he still wants to play, but won't unless traded. Nutshelled, Palmer's stance is based upon the idea that he still has the competitive fire needed to play, but only if certain conditions are met. Failing that his competitive fire is said to be greatly diminished OR completely extinquished.

Here's what we do know. There are a dozen different scenarios that outline why he's deciding not to play for the Bengals anymore. None of us know what the answer is. Some of us might be guessing the right answer but we may never know.

Fair enough, but IMHO that's simply another reason to question Palmer's actions. Furthermore, the reasons for Palmer's actions matter a great deal, especially when debating whether Palmer should be traded. Do you trade a player of his importance simply because he demands it? Or do you consider it only if his complaints are justified?

Is it a loyalty thing? I can understand that to an extent but for me this display of dishonor, or whatever, is a drop in the bucket to the way in which this organization has treated the fans for the last 20 plus years.

True enough, but I remind you how both you and Palmer could quit immediately and cleanly if you don't like the way the team is run.

[HairOnFire]

I don't believe Palmer's value is in any danger of going down, either. I'm just not sure I see it going up. I agree that there's no particular rush to move him. Personally, I would rather see them do it and move on, but obviously that can't happen because of the ongoing CBA mess.

In other words, the Bengals are currently doing the only thing that makes sense by stonewalling Palmer. Furthermore, there's no viable reason or incentive for them to budge from their hardline stance until circumstances change dramatically. And IMHO only then if the compensation recieved in exchange for trading Palmer is far greater than currently claimed.

I dunno. I don't think Bengals fans have, by and large, decided the organization is at fault.

Perhaps, but that hasn't stopped you, has it? Or stopped any of the other fans who speak of Siberia without actually knowing why Palmer wants out. In fact, you've repeatedly stated that you don't even care why Palmer wants out.

More and more I see piling on Palmer.

Of course you do. By threatening to retire if his demands aren't met Palmer is inviting people to evaluate his career as if it were over, and even a Palmer supporter has to admit his career has been underwhelming. So much so that when you consider his draft position and the money he's been paid it isn't unreasonable to suggest that Palmer has softly, slowly, and quietly busted.