Just say NO to T.O.

[NJ29]

According to Chad, Owens is Batman, he is Robin and the Joker rolled into on (Roker), Carson is Edward, Cedric is the Riddler, Bobbie Williams is the Penguin, and Tank is Mr. Freeze.

[HairOnFire]

....I feel he is a far bigger risk than marshall.

How many shooting deaths has Owens been directly involved in?

That's a low blow to Marshall.

Hardly. In fact, Marshall admitted being directly involved in the acts that provoked a gang member to murder Marshall's teammate. In fact, the player so many of you covet is alive today only because his attacker killed an innocent bystander.

Look, if you guys still prefer Marshall based upon his playing skills and age then say as much and be done with it. But don't pretend he doesn't bring as much unwanted baggage as Owens.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

....I feel he is a far bigger risk than marshall.

How many shooting deaths has Owens been directly involved in?

That's a low blow to Marshall.

Hardly. In fact, Marshall admitted being directly involved in the acts that provoked a gang member to murder Marshall's teammate. In fact, the player so many of you covet is alive today only because his attacker killed an innocent bystander.

Look, if you guys still prefer Marshall based upon his playing skills and age then say as much and be done with it. But don't pretend he doesn't bring as much unwanted baggage as Owens.

I agree with that statement, and would prefer Marshall's ability, but he's just not worth the investment ultimately, considering the circumstances. If he were another cast-off w/o a job, sure, give him a one year trial. But, he isn't coming here, ecspecially via a match offer scenario from this team, and yes the baggage is there every bit as much as Owens, it's just not as lengthy.

[kingwilly]

Hardly. In fact, Marshall admitted being directly involved in the acts that provoked a gang member to murder Marshall's teammate. In fact, the player so many of you covet is alive today only because his attacker killed an innocent bystander.

It is not a fact, as yours is a disingenuous claim. You imply he stopped shooting once he hit someone. Marshall could also be alive because the shooter was a bad shot, or the limo driver drove too slow, or the driver of the other vehicle was quite skilled, or Marshall chose a better place to sit in the limo...

Marshall does not have nearly the volume of problems that TO has caused. TO does not have time to turn things around, where Marshall surely does.

Marshall is the superior option.

[derekshank]

I like Marshall for his playing ability as much as anyone... but let's face it - if this were such a bargain, there are 31 other teams that have the opportunity to bang down the door to get this guy.... but they aren't, are they?

There is no denying that he's a top 5 WR... but that's not the whole storyline is it? If this were Larry Fitzgerald, do you think there would be so few suitors?

The difference is that Larry Fitzgerald brings very little risk to the table - and it's clear that Marshall brings a great deal of it. Enough so, that if Marshall ended up being a mistake, it could easily set a team back a couple years.

Some of you might say that it is worth the risk... And I won't spend all day arguing with you. Honestly, I could go either way on it. But let's not act like Mike Brown is a tool because he doesn't jump all over this. There are plenty of good reasons not to make a move like this, not the least of which means having no 1st round pick, paying double digit millions in guaranteed coin, and the potential that the guy in question could be one mistake from never playing another snap.

Actually, this sounds a lot like the kind of move many of you would be killing Mike Brown for if he made. Damned if you do, damned if you don't I guess... right?

[derekshank]

Hardly. In fact, Marshall admitted being directly involved in the acts that provoked a gang member to murder Marshall's teammate. In fact, the player so many of you covet is alive today only because his attacker killed an innocent bystander.

It is not a fact, as yours is a disingenuous claim. You imply he stopped shooting once he hit someone. Marshall could also be alive because the shooter was a bad shot, or the limo driver drove too slow, or the driver of the other vehicle was quite skilled, or Marshall chose a better place to sit in the limo...

Marshall does not have nearly the volume of problems that TO has caused. TO does not have time to turn things around, where Marshall surely does.

Marshall is the superior option.

Wow.... Just wow.

Hair's claim is that Marshall invoked a shooting and is lucky to be alive, and your argument is that Marshall is well known for picking the safest seats in the limo.

Yeah, I guess he's not a risk at all.

[Kazkal]

Marshall does not have nearly the volume of problems that TO has caused. TO does not have time to turn things around, where Marshall surely does.

Marshall is the superior option.

Um I guess it's all matter opinion i'd say Marshall is as much of a douchebag as T.O when came to character but then again theres the whole shooting thing...As for who's the Better Value Still be argued because It's Marshall vs T.O & 2 Draft picks...So really depends who we plan on taking that makes Brandon Appealing or Not if it's Earl Thomas ? Sign me up with T.O if we plan drafting WR in 1st? then just give me Brandon.

[Stripes]

Marshall is clearly the better option if you only choose to consider potential production. When the contract enters the discussion that changes very fast. I'd much rather have Bryant, and Owens sounds better than both.

Do we really want to invest such a substantial chunk of our funs (blah blah no cap, blah blah -- let's look a bit further ahead) in a wide receiver? We just won the division by pounding the AFC North in the running game, and throwing all our chips in for Marshall would directly take away from that strength in the long term.

[derekshank]

Multiple off-the-field problems.

An ingrate who demands to be traded in the offseason, and threatens to sit out.

A well known distraction to the team during practices.

Suspended by the Broncos for insubordination.

Yeah, the dude is a choir boy.

Here's a recent article detailing why he isn't worth the risk from a Seahawks perspective.

[Dadraftnick]

When I first saw Chad pimping T.O. I said What? and I didnt think that much about why.

I doesnt make much sense, Chad, MR. ME FIRST and T.O. MR. ME ONLY.-they each think that that every pass sould go only to themselves.

Chad a guy that threw a tanrtum when T.J. was a free agent and demanded a new contract or a trade that kind of helped T.J. out of town.

T.O. a guy that has put down every QB that has thrown to him and proceded to stab in the back friends that pushed to get him on their team.

Now Chad wants T.O.? WHY? Because if the Bengals get someone like Marshall then, Marshall gets the big payday ( as pointed out on the NFL network last night)and Chad does not get paid next year.

This whole thing smells like Rosenhaus, Chad and T.O.'s agent ,is playing Mike Brown like an episode of the Three Stooges.

Is Mike Brown making the best decision for the team or choosing the cheapest route?

Does signing T.O. keep up with the Ravens signing of Anquan Boldin ? NO!

Is it ever smart to over pay for junk ? NO!

I would much rather take 3 mid to late round WR's in the draft than take a washed out head case because Rosenhause cant find another team dumb enough to take him.

[ArmyBengal]

I can readily admit that Marshall brings a handful of baggage and that his skillset is what appeals the most to me. I've never made the argument the guy is a choirboy, nor did I say there wasn't risk. As a matter of fact, I made the comment that any move in regards to Marshall WOULDN'T have anything to do with money involved, as it's obvious the Bengals could in fact afford the contract. That being said, "FROM A SKILLSET" standpoint, Marshall clearly represents the best option for this team to fill a hole on an anemic offense and give them a way to get beyond a single game in the playoffs.

I've never said T.O. "CAN'T" do that, only that he makes the position older and simply delays filling a GLARING hole. I think signing T.O. actually makes the WR more vunurable next year in the fact they may lose both him and Chad heading into 2011. It hasn't happened yet, but things like that have to be considered.

I will also readily admit there is a morbid curiousity to see how T.O. and Chad would do on the same field if Carson is given time to make throws.

[wpeldios]

According to Chad, Owens is Batman, he is Robin and the Joker rolled into on (Roker), Carson is Edward, Cedric is the Riddler, Bobbie Williams is the Penguin, and Tank is Mr. Freeze.

I'm impressed how cought up chad is on his batman.

[derekshank]

Palmer still says he wants T.O.

Florio thinks Chad is a douche.

Javon Walker looking for work... Florio speculating that the Bengals still need help at WR.

[walzav29]

A 1 year deal for T.O. wouldn't lead to an ego clash. He's old if he gets an attitude cut him, Ocho's in the last year as well. There is no problem. Add all the talent you can. Coles was the quiet non-ego classy wide receiver. Except he did nothing. Get Palmer as many as you can

Ocho

Bryant

Caldwell

J. Simpson

C. Davis

T. Owens

M. Jones

Q. Crosby

Let them fight it out. The passing game must improve! If this was 2005 and the option was for T.O. I would say hell no, but 1 year. There is no harm.

[ArmyBengal]

Ocho

Bryant

Caldwell

J. Simpson

C. Davis

T. Owens

M. Jones

Q. Crosby

So then who goes if we only carry 6 receivers and knowing we are going to draft at least one WR in the draft ?? If they take a WR high (which I still think they do with the first 4 rounds) they won't be sending him to the practice squad, so basically they need to dump 3 of those guys. It won't be Chad, T.O., Bryant, or Caldwell in my mind. I think Cosby brings to much in the return game to get rid of and is nice as a slot receiver, so we dump Simpson, Davis, and Jones.

With the possibility of no Chad or T.O. the following year, we are left with Bryant, the WR we draft, Caldwell, Cosby, and the rest. Being quite serious, maybe that's not a bad thing, but I still don't know what to make of the comments from Carson and everyone else chiming in on the situation. If they think T.O. is worth it, then I really won't complain to much, as at least they are trying to improve the one thing that could take them deep into the playoffs.

[redsbengalsbucks]

Ocho

Bryant

Caldwell

J. Simpson

C. Davis

T. Owens

M. Jones

Q. Crosby

So then who goes if we only carry 6 receivers and knowing we are going to draft at least one WR in the draft ?? If they take a WR high (which I still think they do with the first 4 rounds) they won't be sending him to the practice squad, so basically they need to dump 3 of those guys. It won't be Chad, T.O., Bryant, or Caldwell in my mind. I think Cosby brings to much in the return game to get rid of and is nice as a slot receiver, so we dump Simpson, Davis, and Jones.

With the possibility of no Chad or T.O. the following year, we are left with Bryant, the WR we draft, Caldwell, Cosby, and the rest. Being quite serious, maybe that's not a bad thing, but I still don't know what to make of the comments from Carson and everyone else chiming in on the situation. If they think T.O. is worth it, then I really won't complain to much, as at least they are trying to improve the one thing that could take them deep into the playoffs.

I think they have to skip a WR in the draft if they bring in Owens and may not be a need if they dont.

I have no problem with a WR corp of:

1. Chad

2. Bryant

3. Caldwell

4. Jones

5. Crosby

6. The player that impresses the most in the preseason out of the remaining names there. I think Purify will again be in the mix.

If Chad is gone after this year, at least 4 of your top 5 WR's will still be in play for the following season.

[blueridge]

I wouldn't bet that the WRs currently on the roster are anywhere close to the group that will be battling for spots come this summer. A core group will of course remain,e.g., Chad,Bryant, maybe Caldwell, while others may be long gone,e.g., Chris Davis,Freddie Brown. I fully expect that additional FA receivers will be brought in and that the draft/rookie FA signings will bring in several more. In other words, I think the WR corps is a work in progress and, when the final roster is set in September,may look quite different than it does now.

[ArmyBengal]

I'll simply disagree and say that I don't care who the Bengals bring in during FA, they WILL get at least one WR in the draft.

To many uncertainties at the position and they have to further plan for the future.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I'll simply disagree and say that I don't care who the Bengals bring in during FA, they WILL get at least one WR in the draft.

To many uncertainties at the position and they have to further plan for the future.

I won't argue that, but I don't believe the way the Bengals draft is a guarantee to relieve any uncertainties in regards to wide receivers. The last WR Cincinnati drafted that made any real difference was Chris Henry many years ago, and now he's just a memory.

Based on recent history, I don't have a lot of confidence in the Bengals being able to make the right choice at this particular position. They've done well at others, but just not here.

[ArmyBengal]

I'll simply disagree and say that I don't care who the Bengals bring in during FA, they WILL get at least one WR in the draft.

To many uncertainties at the position and they have to further plan for the future.

I won't argue that, but I don't believe the way the Bengals draft is a guarantee to relieve any uncertainties in regards to wide receivers.

Based on recent history, I don't have a lot of confidence in the Bengals being able to make the right choice at this particular position.

Maybe, but I still think they need to address the position within the first 4 picks, assuming we get a 3rd round comp. There are simply to many uncertainties at the position heading into 2011 at this time to not address it and I hardly think bringing in Davis (whoever the hell he is) and Matt Jones are currently looked at as long term solutions. Heck, Chad might be back and then you are left with Simpson, Caldwell, and Cosby. I like Caldwell and Cosby, but neither of them appear to be a #1 or #2 wideout, which leaves us with Bryant.

[derekshank]

If T.O. is serious about this, I'd say there is very little chance of seeing him in Cincy.

[Ickey44]

I don't think we'll be seeing him either way. I'm sure Marvin doesn't want another diva to deal with. In fact, that was one of the reasons he said he went with Bryant. He said that Bryant is gritty and not a prima donna.

No, TO won't be here.

[ArmyBengal]

Apparently Bryant took #81 for his jersey as well, so should T.O. be signed later on (which I don't think will happen) that would prove stupid...

[HairOnFire]

If T.O. is serious about this, I'd say there is very little chance of seeing him in Cincy.

Someone should tell Owens he just retired....because he doesn't seem to know.

[Kazkal]

Apparently Bryant took #81 for his jersey as well, so should T.O. be signed later on (which I don't think will happen) that would prove stupid...

makes me wonder if that was a Crack at Owens at all...

PS,Is Byrant going change his name to ochouno?