Palmer's health - arm still not right?

[rwjcgc]

It hasn't been mentioned much in the nat'l media but Palmer's arm strength has looked off this season and got worse as the year went on.

[volcom69]

Something is wrong with him, hope they figure this out i cant take another year of this offense, its like watching paint dry and i hate it!!!!!!!!

[Trailrider6]

I think Palmer is done and we need to move on with another QB. He has went down hill since his last playoff game and is not looking like he will come back from it. He breaks down in the pocket early and doesn't try to make anything happen but sacks. He had caused most of or losses from throwing off of the recievers.

[JoePong]

I have said all year his arm looks subpar when compared to other QBs around the NFL. It's especially noticable on those out patterns to the sidelines. There are 12 year old girls who throw the ball with more zip on the out-patterns.

But remember, he sucked last season even before the elbow injury.

[kingwilly]

I have said all year his arm looks subpar when compared to other QBs around the NFL. It's especially noticable on those out patterns to the sidelines. There are 12 year old girls who throw the ball with more zip on the out-patterns.

But remember, he sucked last season even before the elbow injury.

His arm is not where it was and is sub-standard compared to good arms that are all around the NFL.

I am not sure if it is the elbow or just degradation in mechanics but he is off far too often.

Giving him some better weapons would not hurt.

He will need his left hand fixed this off-season and it will be on him to get his arm up to snuff. If not, then this has been a monumental waste of as good of a talent at QB as there can be.

I will continue to support him at QB until it is clear he is just not going to get better.

[BengalPimp]

I think Palmer is done and we need to move on with another QB. He has went down hill since his last playoff game and is not looking like he will come back from it. He breaks down in the pocket early and doesn't try to make anything happen but sacks. He had caused most of or losses from throwing off of the recievers.

.....Your first post is a "get rid of Palmer" post? Downhill since his last playoff game? DUDE, he came back from that injury and was a PRO BOWL QB (and ProBowl MVP) the following season....you're certainly entitled to your opinion, but get your facts straight.

[BengalPimp]

I will continue to support him at QB until it is clear he is just not going to get better.

As will I.

[jjakq27]

According to the dot com Palmer will have surgery on his left thumb. I know it's not his throwing hand but it obviously bothered him and limited some of his handoffs and play fakes. We can only speculate on the arm/elbow. Just wonder if he got tired or has a dead arm. Or some underachieving WRs.

[Whur CHad At?]

I just think it is starting to be shown that he is only an "Average" QB and not elite. He was elite before the injury last year, but he just doesnt have it anymore. A good QB makes your recievers better and I just havent seen that at all this year. Benson and the line this year carried this offense.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

He needs desperately to work on his mechanics. Hopefully a healthy offseason will help.

Another issue that's overlooked a bit is how a lot of those "bad" throws are missed reads by the receiver. It shows how comfortable he was with TJ, who knew how to break off the route to find the hole in the zone. Coles doesn't do it, and that came up a few times tonight.

But I realize that doesn't explain it all. He's throwing too often from his back foot for one thing. I do think his arm has enough juice, even if it's not what it was.

Also, bear in mind that he needs receivers who can actually get open.

[Kazkal]

I just think it is starting to be shown that he is only an "Average" QB and not elite. He was elite before the injury last year, but he just doesnt have it anymore. A good QB makes your recievers better and I just havent seen that at all this year. Benson and the line this year carried this offense.

I Dunno I can't see Brady Manning or Rivers having much more Success who are all aren't very mobile...Pass Protection wasn't that good Wr's wearn't getting open I Know Carson is at fault at too but Unless it's a QB whos specialty is keeping plays alive I don't see them doing much better here....

Tim Tebow any one?

[Whur CHad At?]

Tim Tebow any one?

Hahaha HELL NO

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Not sure what to do about Palmer, but the entire offense outside of Benson, really needs an overhaul, and that isn't good for the short term.

It would be nice if the scouting staff was expanded, some long termers were replaced (Alexander, Bratkowski, Zampese) and a new system brought in for Palmer to work in, along with 2-3 new or upgradeds to the o-line - which honestly wouldn't be hard to do with some good decisions.

[BengalPimp]

Tim Tebow any one?

Hahaha HELL NO

Let the Raiders draft him....Al Davis is a Genius!!!

[cincy9275]

when you throw the ball 15 feet above the wr head, that not a miss read or bad wr play. that the qb! palmer completely stunk it up, and got out played by a ROOKIE!! what i seen from plamer was mostly his own fault! we are quick to blame coaches and other player. but when we say palmer sucked, we get flamed for it. unreal you all seen it, palmer failed in his biggest game of his career. no excuses the guy played like s**t!!

[ArmyBengal]

Until the TD pass to Coles, there wasn't a single pass that Carson DIDN'T throw high. It wasn't do to the coverage and "needing" to place it where he did, they were simply high. That trend continued through the game with some throws looking spot on. It's the inconsistency with his throws in the game yesterday that are of concern to me. Looking back through the season, many brought up the same concern about him throwing high. Maybe it's his mechanics or maybe I should say, "hopefully" because if there is still an injury issue, well, I'd rather not think about that.

It's not about getting flamed for bringing up faults of Carson, it's about working in definitives with him. For example, "F*CK CARSON, HE SUCKS".

Then go about giving no other thought to that rant. That sh*t pisses people off.

The only rant like that most people will listen to is something along the lines of:

F*CK BRAT, HE SUCKS

Even then, you will find someone to disagree, but it's more widely accepted !!!

[HoosierCat]

But I realize that doesn't explain it all. He's throwing too often from his back foot for one thing. I do think his arm has enough juice, even if it's not what it was.

I agree. Palmer's mechanics haven't been right since he got Kimo'd. I remember reading him say that the reconstructed knee responded subtly differently than the original and that it basically forced him to re-learn how to throw. But its a handful of years on the new knee vs. 20 years on the old one, and I think his instincts still revert a lot.

Still, even Palmer as he is now is better than anyone we've had since Boomer.

[COB]

Maybe Palmer will respond to different/better coaching. Fire Brat and let the new guy bring in his own QB coach.

If Palmer complains, saying he's comfortable with what we have, tell him we have to get better, what we're doing now isn't good enough.

[kingwilly]

Maybe Palmer will respond to different/better coaching. Fire Brat and let the new guy bring in his own QB coach.

If Palmer complains, saying he's comfortable with what we have, tell him we have to get better, what we're doing now isn't good enough.

I think this is part of it. But if his arm is waterlogged, then what can be done?

My true hope is Brat is 86'd. Between the scheme, playcalls and artificial limitations that come out of Brat, this team will not get better offensively with him. He has to go.

Palmer's arm/elbow/mechanics need to be seriously looked at. Something is not right and it has to get solved ASAP.

[volcom69]

Palmer is not the same QB he once was. In 2005 he probably could have taken us to the super bowl, and now yesterday he looks like a QB who has trouble throwing the ball. I dont want to see another QB, but i think there is much to be concerned about. He has been way to inconsitant this year, he had one good game, a game that reminded me of the old Palmer. If only he could be half as good as he once was we would have won that game.

I dont know if new coaches will help, but something has to be done.

[kingwilly]

Tim Tebow any one?

Hahaha HELL NO

Let the Raiders draft him....Al Davis is a Genius!!!

Open your mind.

Do you think Tebow can play as bad as Carson did yesterday? Yes.

Can Tebow run better? Yes.

IN a game like yesterday, would Tebow have given the Bengals another dimension that would have forced the Jets to back off just a bit? Yes.

Can Tebow get in the slot an do what Brian Leonard does? Yes.

Can Tebow take snaps from shotgun and option to Scott or Benson or execute draws? Yes. Would this have helped yesterday? Yes.

For those that crap on the idea of getting Tebow and building a more creative offense, one where there are FAR more issues for a defense to worry about, I say you are fools.

The wildcat is not going to turn the Bengals into a SB winner, but Tebow is a winner and has skills that this team lacks. Figuring out how to use those skills could improve this team.

[redsbengalsbucks]

I just think it is starting to be shown that he is only an "Average" QB and not elite. He was elite before the injury last year, but he just doesnt have it anymore. A good QB makes your recievers better and I just havent seen that at all this year. Benson and the line this year carried this offense.

I Dunno I can't see Brady Manning or Rivers having much more Success who are all aren't very mobile...Pass Protection wasn't that good Wr's wearn't getting open I Know Carson is at fault at too but Unless it's a QB whos specialty is keeping plays alive I don't see them doing much better here....

Tim Tebow any one?

Did you watch the same game I did? I dont think Palmer hit a WR in stride until the fourth quarter. Every throw he made in the first three quarters was high, low or behind the receiver. He is lucky he did not have 5-6 Int's, the WR's did as good a job as they could with the crap that he threw thier way Sat.

[Ickey44]

Tim Tebow any one?

Hahaha HELL NO

Let the Raiders draft him....Al Davis is a Genius!!!

Open your mind.

Do you think Tebow can play as bad as Carson did yesterday? Yes.

Can Tebow run better? Yes.

IN a game like yesterday, would Tebow have given the Bengals another dimension that would have forced the Jets to back off just a bit? Yes.

Can Tebow get in the slot an do what Brian Leonard does? Yes.

Can Tebow take snaps from shotgun and option to Scott or Benson or execute draws? Yes. Would this have helped yesterday? Yes.

For those that crap on the idea of getting Tebow and building a more creative offense, one where there are FAR more issues for a defense to worry about, I say you are fools.

The wildcat is not going to turn the Bengals into a SB winner, but Tebow is a winner and has skills that this team lacks. Figuring out how to use those skills could improve this team.

Aside from the fact that most experts don't think his game will translate well into the NFL, do you really think he's there at 21? Why harp on the guy when there's almost no chance we will get him? The Bengals will also not spend big money on another QB.

[kingwilly]

Aside from the fact that most experts don't think his game will translate well into the NFL, do you really think he's there at 21? Why harp on the guy when there's almost no chance we will get him? The Bengals will also not spend big money on another QB.

I was simply responding to the suggestion.

I think here will either be gone by 10 or will drop well into r2. SO, it could happen.

They would not be just spending $ on another QB, they'd be getting maybe 3 players for the price of one.

[Ickey44]

Aside from the fact that most experts don't think his game will translate well into the NFL, do you really think he's there at 21? Why harp on the guy when there's almost no chance we will get him? The Bengals will also not spend big money on another QB.

I was simply responding to the suggestion.

I think here will either be gone by 10 or will drop well into r2. SO, it could happen.

They would not be just spending $ on another QB, they'd be getting maybe 3 players for the price of one.

Well if by some miracle he's there when we pick and they take him, do we have another miracle that gets Brat fired? And some other miracle that convinces Brown to pay first round money to another QB?

I'm not saying you're wrong, I just don't see it happening. I'd be thrilled if they just let Brat go. Anything after that is icing on the cake.