6 straight weeks without a 2nd half TD.

[NJ29]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

[BengalszoneBilly]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

I don't consider Minnesota bad competition. They were likely the toughest defense Cincinnati has seen all year.

[ChadJohnson-85]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

Same thoughts... I really don't know an answer for this offense. Maybe a new OC and draft a WR (1-3 rounds). Bernard Scott might help when he returns.

[NJ29]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

I don't consider Minnesota bad competition. They were likely the toughest defense Cincinnati has seen all year.

Obviously Minnesota is good competition. But Cleveland, Detroit and Oakland are also on that list.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

I don't consider Minnesota bad competition. They were likely the toughest defense Cincinnati has seen all year.

Obviously Minnesota is good competition. But Cleveland, Detroit and Oakland are also on that list.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bengals defeated Cleveland twice this season.

[volcom69]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

I don't consider Minnesota bad competition. They were likely the toughest defense Cincinnati has seen all year.

Obviously Minnesota is good competition. But Cleveland, Detroit and Oakland are also on that list.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bengals defeated Cleveland twice this season.

Yes but what i think he is trying to say is that even against poor teams like Cleveland, Detroit, Oakland, teams like that this team had no offense. If it was not for the running game, and a good defense they would have lost more games. What worries me going down the stretch here is that when the running game is not going, or the defense is giving up points, this team does not have the offense to come back to win those games. Next week will be even harder yet then it was today.

[HoosierCat]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

First of all, it has nothing to do with Pong, idiots or trolls. The fact is, the offense has been a concern since before the preseason started, and has only increased since.

Four of five o-linemen new or shuffled. Top possession receiver gone. QB who played 4 games last year and missed all of preseason. QB and RB who have barely played together. Nos. 1 and 2 TEs lost in preseason.

To put it bluntly, people who p*ss and moan about the O now get no respect from me. It was obvious from before the season this O was going to struggle, and that the Bengals would win or lose on defense.

And, for the record, pretty much everyone around here knew that.

Now, to add to all the problems, we've lost Chris Henry (all year) and Bernard Scott (who knows), and that pretty much chews up our potential home run threats. We could dink and dunk it with Chad, Benson and the rest of the crew, but the O is making too many mistakes (penalties). Which, again, is only to be expected -- it's had 13 whole games together.

I've said it all year and Ill say it again: there is nothing wrong with the Bengals that time and reps won't cure. But they are running out of both.

[NJ29]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

I don't consider Minnesota bad competition. They were likely the toughest defense Cincinnati has seen all year.

Obviously Minnesota is good competition. But Cleveland, Detroit and Oakland are also on that list.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Bengals defeated Cleveland twice this season.

Dismissing and accepting poor performance against bad competition leads to what we saw today - losing to good competition. Just because we got away with poor offensive efforts against bad teams doesn't mean that it will get it done when we step up.

[walzav29]

Im the blindest optimist of all time. This is horrible, and IF we get to the playoffs. I don't expect much unless a WR steps up.

[BengalPimp]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

Same thoughts... I really don't know an answer for this offense. Maybe a new OC and draft a WR (1-3 rounds). Bernard Scott might help when he returns.

Bernard Scott will help in a number of ways. He provides a home-run threat out of the backfield both running and receiving....

BUT, most importantly, he provides us great starting field position with his kickoff returns. His 32.5 yards per return would be tops in the league if he had more returns, and is FAR BETTER than Caldwell's 18.6 avg...and Quan Cosby didnt do anything returning KO's today.

[ChadJohnson-85]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

Same thoughts... I really don't know an answer for this offense. Maybe a new OC and draft a WR (1-3 rounds). Bernard Scott might help when he returns.

Bernard Scott will help in a number of ways. He provides a home-run threat out of the backfield both running and receiving....

BUT, most importantly, he provides us great starting field position with his kickoff returns. His 32.5 yards per return would be tops in the league if he had more returns, and is FAR BETTER than Caldwell's 18.6 avg...and Quan Cosby didnt do anything returning KO's today.

More of the reason why we should draft Mardy Gilyard. That would fix two problems (WR).

[walzav29]

Im the blindest optimist of all time. This is horrible, and IF we get to the playoffs. I don't expect much unless a WR steps up.

[Pidge]

Get Purify more involved maybe. Use his size to use him as a pseudo TE in the passing game. Great height and decent speed. Send him on slant routes over the middle etc. Get some rhythm and at least keep the down and distance manageable. It would also minimize the exposure to the pass rush which the O-line seems to have suddenly forgotten how to play.

[membengal]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

First of all, it has nothing to do with Pong, idiots or trolls. The fact is, the offense has been a concern since before the preseason started, and has only increased since.

Four of five o-linemen new or shuffled. Top possession receiver gone. QB who played 4 games last year and missed all of preseason. QB and RB who have barely played together. Nos. 1 and 2 TEs lost in preseason.

To put it bluntly, people who p*ss and moan about the O now get no respect from me. It was obvious from before the season this O was going to struggle, and that the Bengals would win or lose on defense.

And, for the record, pretty much everyone around here knew that.

Full blown applause.

[derekshank]

It is what it is. And the stats show that the Bengals have no passing game to speak of.

I guess what I'm having trouble wrapping my mind around is that fact that when I'm watching the game, I never feel like they are as bad as their stats indicate. I am frustrated by the penalties, dropped passes, mistimed routes, miscommunications... All of it. And I guess that's the difference between a great offense and a bad one. Because I'm constantly ready to see the Bengals light it up. And I would not have been surprised had they gone out there today and scored 3 or 4 TDs.

But in the end, they didn't. They aren't living up to their potential. They didn't get the job done. And I guess that's all that really matters. But from where I'm sitting - this isn't the Browns or Chiefs who simply lack talent. This all seems very fixable to me. The question is, will they?

[BengalszoneBilly]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

First of all, it has nothing to do with Pong, idiots or trolls. The fact is, the offense has been a concern since before the preseason started, and has only increased since.

Four of five o-linemen new or shuffled. Top possession receiver gone. QB who played 4 games last year and missed all of preseason. QB and RB who have barely played together. Nos. 1 and 2 TEs lost in preseason.

To put it bluntly, people who p*ss and moan about the O now get no respect from me. It was obvious from before the season this O was going to struggle, and that the Bengals would win or lose on defense.

And, for the record, pretty much everyone around here knew that.

Full blown applause.

I ditto that applause.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

To put it bluntly, people who p*ss and moan about the O now get no respect from me. It was obvious from before the season this O was going to struggle, and that the Bengals would win or lose on defense.

And, for the record, pretty much everyone around here knew that.

I've said it all year and Ill say it again: there is nothing wrong with the Bengals that time and reps won't cure. But they are running out of both.

That's the thing - all the reasons you give are true, but I honestly thought they'd have a lot of them ironed out by now. Sure, we knew the timing between Carson and his receivers would be bad week 1 - but week 14? Sure, we lost TJ - but we gave Coles about the same money, so he should be pulling much of that slack. Sure, we're down to dregs at TE, but Foschi's been playing decent. Sure, we have a reshuffled line - but our problem with QB pressure isn't so much physical as just missed assignments. What's up with that?

So I think that most normal people who are concerned about the offense (read: not JoeBong) aren't surprised that there are issues. However, I myself am surprised by the severity of some of them, and how long others have lingered. Like you say, so much of it is the kind of thing that should get ironed out, but I'm starting to wonder if it's ever gonna click. Even as of preseason, I thought it would be better than this.

To paraphrase a basketball coach, our 2005 offense isn't walking through that door. I get that. I'm just trying to figure out what we can expect out of these guys. I'm hoping for more than JoeBong's 17 points.

[kingwilly]

To put it bluntly, people who p*ss and moan about the O now get no respect from me. It was obvious from before the season this O was going to struggle, and that the Bengals would win or lose on defense.

And, for the record, pretty much everyone around here knew that.

I've said it all year and Ill say it again: there is nothing wrong with the Bengals that time and reps won't cure. But they are running out of both.

That's the thing - all the reasons you give are true, but I honestly thought they'd have a lot of them ironed out by now. Sure, we knew the timing between Carson and his receivers would be bad week 1 - but week 14? Sure, we lost TJ - but we gave Coles about the same money, so he should be pulling much of that slack. Sure, we're down to dregs at TE, but Foschi's been playing decent. Sure, we have a reshuffled line - but our problem with QB pressure isn't so much physical as just missed assignments. What's up with that?

So I think that most normal people who are concerned about the offense (read: not JoeBong) aren't surprised that there are issues. However, I myself am surprised by the severity of some of them, and how long others have lingered. Like you say, so much of it is the kind of thing that should get ironed out, but I'm starting to wonder if it's ever gonna click. Even as of preseason, I thought it would be better than this.

To paraphrase a basketball coach, our 2005 offense isn't walking through that door. I get that. I'm just trying to figure out what we can expect out of these guys. I'm hoping for more than JoeBong's 17 points.

Perhaps this team can go out and get Owen Daniels and maybe a guy like Vincent Jackson or Lance Moore?

[ChadJohnson-85]

To put it bluntly, people who p*ss and moan about the O now get no respect from me. It was obvious from before the season this O was going to struggle, and that the Bengals would win or lose on defense.

And, for the record, pretty much everyone around here knew that.

I've said it all year and Ill say it again: there is nothing wrong with the Bengals that time and reps won't cure. But they are running out of both.

That's the thing - all the reasons you give are true, but I honestly thought they'd have a lot of them ironed out by now. Sure, we knew the timing between Carson and his receivers would be bad week 1 - but week 14? Sure, we lost TJ - but we gave Coles about the same money, so he should be pulling much of that slack. Sure, we're down to dregs at TE, but Foschi's been playing decent. Sure, we have a reshuffled line - but our problem with QB pressure isn't so much physical as just missed assignments. What's up with that?

So I think that most normal people who are concerned about the offense (read: not JoeBong) aren't surprised that there are issues. However, I myself am surprised by the severity of some of them, and how long others have lingered. Like you say, so much of it is the kind of thing that should get ironed out, but I'm starting to wonder if it's ever gonna click. Even as of preseason, I thought it would be better than this.

To paraphrase a basketball coach, our 2005 offense isn't walking through that door. I get that. I'm just trying to figure out what we can expect out of these guys. I'm hoping for more than JoeBong's 17 points.

Perhaps this team can go out and get Owen Daniels and maybe a guy like Vincent Jackson or Lance Moore?

I honestly don't see Daniels leaving the Texans. He'll re-sign. And besides, when do we ever go and pick up big name players in free agency? Never to my knowledge. Odom? He wasn't really a big name player. Not small either though. But now he's on IR... I never look forward to free agency. EVER... We never go out and get proven/productive NFL players. I'm sure I'll get heat for this but I'm already looking forward to the draft. Yeah we got as much of a shot at the SB as anyone but not with Bratkowski at OC and our WR corp. Maybe it's just one of those. I don't know... But it needs to be fixed or we ain't gonna do anything in the post season if were down by 14 or higher BECAUSE WE CANNOT PASS THE BALL! The running game can't help you on 3rd and long. Even the Giants had a decent passing game going through the post season. I know all of you know this already (I think). I'm just frustrated right now.

[wpeldios]

"If it was not for the running game, and a good defense they would have lost more games."

Now come on, did I actually read this line. You know, if not for Peyton Manning the colts would of lost more games. If not for Drew Brees the saints would of lost more games. If not for Adrian Peterson the Vikings would of lost more games. If it wasnt for the running game, and good defense, Baltimore would have not won the super bowl. You can't point at the positives of the team and say that if they didn't have it they would lose more games. Thats what makes it a positive aspect of the team.

[wpeldios]

Im the blindest optimist of all time. This is horrible, and IF we get to the playoffs. I don't expect much unless a WR steps up.

I'm sorry but you really shouldn't say your an optimist, then say stuff like "IF we get to the playoffs" Do me a favor, go to a patriots board, ask them if they would rather be 9-4 with a 2 game lead in the division, and 6-0 division record so you are guaranteed the tie breaker. Or where they are, 8-5 1 game lead, tie breakers not clinched yet. This team is in good shape and your melting down over a loss to an 11-2 team on the road, in a stadium that the home team is undefeated in. And will most likely end the season 8-0 in their own stadium.

[semiotter]

I know it's easy to call JoePong an idiot and a troll, but ***damn guys... that is far from acceptable. You can say that "it's our new offense, it's ball control, it's okay!" but at certain point, that is just not gonna get it done, especially against bad competition.

Thoughts?

First of all, it has nothing to do with Pong, idiots or trolls. The fact is, the offense has been a concern since before the preseason started, and has only increased since.

Four of five o-linemen new or shuffled. Top possession receiver gone. QB who played 4 games last year and missed all of preseason. QB and RB who have barely played together. Nos. 1 and 2 TEs lost in preseason.

To put it bluntly, people who p*ss and moan about the O now get no respect from me. It was obvious from before the season this O was going to struggle, and that the Bengals would win or lose on defense.

And, for the record, pretty much everyone around here knew that.

Full blown applause.

I ditto that applause.

Yep Yep semi agrees with you guys. Young dudes are in a state of panic Chill out!

[Pidge]

What Hoosier says is correct. It was evident in the PS that it wouldn't always be pretty on O. Happily the D has played lights out for much of the season - I would say to unexpected levels, even by the optimists among us. Here we are.