Dead Horse, Beating A

[HoosierCat]

From P. King's MMQB column today:

I think this is the most interesting thing, apropos of nothing, that I found out about football this week that I never knew before: In 1989, Tony Dungy was an unemployed coach, having left the Steelers coaching staff. He thought he was going to catch on with the Cincinnati Bengals, working under Sam Wyche as the defensive line coach, but GM Mike Brown was uncomfortable hiring a guy to coach the line who'd never done it before.

Sigh...

[Pidge]

If only Mikey had hired him, we'd have won at least 19 SBs by now.

[HoosierCat]

If only Mikey had hired him, we'd have won at least 19 SBs by now.

Or at least avoided Dave Shula. Of course, that means "Shula Steakhouse" would now be named "Tony's Halfway House for Wayward NFL Ex-Cons" or something like that...

[BengalszoneBilly]

If only Mikey had hired him, we'd have won at least 19 SBs by now.

Or at least avoided Dave Shula. Of course, that means "Shula Steakhouse" would now be named "Tony's Halfway House for Wayward NFL Ex-Cons" or something like that...

Good humor there.

[kingwilly]

If only Mikey had hired him, we'd have won at least 19 SBs by now.

Or at least avoided Dave Shula. Of course, that means "Shula Steakhouse" would now be named "Tony's Halfway House for Wayward NFL Ex-Cons" or something like that...

Wow, I'm not sure this team could have survived a pairing.

Tony and SoP. They could call their scouting dept. "Missionaries".

It warms the heart.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

If only Mikey had hired him, we'd have won at least 19 SBs by now.

Or at least avoided Dave Shula.

Looked at another way, that probably avoided ruining Tony Dungy's career. For all we know, Dave Shula could have had 2 SB rings by now for some other team. Just like Akili Smith could have been an All-pro.

Or maybe not.

[walzav29]

Dungy is very over rated. Wyche drafted the guts of the Tampa Bay team. He couldn't win a Super Bowl there, and he only got to 1 with Peyton Manning. He's above average, but he's not part of the holy sacred team of coaches.

Lombardi

Gibbs

Parcells

Belichek

Walsh

Landry

Paul Brown

[Pidge]

Dungy is very over rated. Wyche drafted the guts of the Tampa Bay team. He couldn't win a Super Bowl there, and he only got to 1 with Peyton Manning. He's above average, but he's not part of the holy sacred team of coaches.

Lombardi

Gibbs

Parcells

Belichek

Walsh

Landry

Or our very own Paul.

[walzav29]

Ironic

[HairOnFire]

From P. King's MMQB column today:

I think this is the most interesting thing, apropos of nothing, that I found out about football this week that I never knew before: In 1989, Tony Dungy was an unemployed coach, having left the Steelers coaching staff. He thought he was going to catch on with the Cincinnati Bengals, working under Sam Wyche as the defensive line coach, but GM Mike Brown was uncomfortable hiring a guy to coach the line who'd never done it before.

Sigh...

Hoosier, don't you remember? We actually discussed this one back in the day.

Specifically, I wrote about how Cincinnati was increasingly unable to attract proven head coaching candidates, and might be well served to be amongst the first wave of franchises hiring black head coaches. The two names I pimped hardest were Tony Dungy, then unproven but said to be very smart and of outstanding character, and Ted Cottrell, then highly respected for his history of developing defenses, but now known to be one of the worst "interviews" in the history of job searches.

[HoosierCat]

Hoosier, don't you remember? We actually discussed this one back in the day.

I honestly don't recall, but I believe you. As you say, it made sense as a strategy, given the difficulty of attracting proven coaching talent.

[blueridge]

So what? Tony Dungy didn't coach the DL. "Oh god, if only Tony Dungy had coached the Bengals' D-line 20 years ago everything would have been different." The great Paul Brown passed over Bill Walsh for Tiger Johnson. Complain about that.

[HoosierCat]

So what? Tony Dungy didn't coach the DL. "Oh god, if only Tony Dungy had coached the Bengals' D-line 20 years ago everything would have been different." The great Paul Brown passed over Bill Walsh for Tiger Johnson. Complain about that.

Oh, I have. More: as far as the Bengals are concerned, there was nothing particularly "great" about Paul Brown. He didn't do badly, but certainly never came close to the kind of success he had in Cleveland.

[COB]

as far as the Bengals are concerned, there was nothing particularly "great" about Paul Brown.

Is he allowed to say that in here? WTF?

[Pidge]

So what? Tony Dungy didn't coach the DL. "Oh god, if only Tony Dungy had coached the Bengals' D-line 20 years ago everything would have been different." The great Paul Brown passed over Bill Walsh for Tiger Johnson. Complain about that.

Oh, I have. More: as far as the Bengals are concerned, there was nothing particularly "great" about Paul Brown. He didn't do badly, but certainly never came close to the kind of success he had in Cleveland.

Indeed, I get the impression, from my admittedly cursory investigations, that the Bengals was about ego and wanting to 'stick it to the man' for Paul Brown. No denying that he was a great coach at his peak and a trendsetter and innovator for the entire game itself. Why Tiger Johnson though? Poop!

[gregstephens]

So what? Tony Dungy didn't coach the DL. "Oh god, if only Tony Dungy had coached the Bengals' D-line 20 years ago everything would have been different." The great Paul Brown passed over Bill Walsh for Tiger Johnson. Complain about that.

Oh, I have. More: as far as the Bengals are concerned, there was nothing particularly "great" about Paul Brown. He didn't do badly, but certainly never came close to the kind of success he had in Cleveland.

Indeed, I get the impression, from my admittedly cursory investigations, that the Bengals was about ego and wanting to 'stick it to the man' for Paul Brown. No denying that he was a great coach at his peak and a trendsetter and innovator for the entire game itself. Why Tiger Johnson though? Poop!

Who else would you name as Head Coach of the Bengals than someone named 'Tiger'? Some schlumph named 'Bill'?

Paul probably thought it was 'fate'.

[Jet23]

Although he was certainly no Homer Rice, Tiger Johnson was a good coach...

[gregstephens]

Although he was certainly no Homer Rice, Tiger Johnson was a good coach...

Ah, Homer Rice. The first Bengal coach I remember watching on television. Brings a tear to my eye (for more than one reason).

[Ickey44]

as far as the Bengals are concerned, there was nothing particularly "great" about Paul Brown.

Is he allowed to say that in here? WTF?

I know!! Blasphemer.

[kevnz]

So what? Tony Dungy didn't coach the DL. "Oh god, if only Tony Dungy had coached the Bengals' D-line 20 years ago everything would have been different." The great Paul Brown passed over Bill Walsh for Tiger Johnson. Complain about that.

Oh, I have. More: as far as the Bengals are concerned, there was nothing particularly "great" about Paul Brown. He didn't do badly, but certainly never came close to the kind of success he had in Cleveland.

WTF? Man, Brown won with an expansion team when expansion teams couldn't win. Fastest expansion team to get to the Playoffs? The Bengals, coached by Paul Brown. This was before teams were given the keys to the kingdom they get nowadays.

[Ickey44]

So what? Tony Dungy didn't coach the DL. "Oh god, if only Tony Dungy had coached the Bengals' D-line 20 years ago everything would have been different." The great Paul Brown passed over Bill Walsh for Tiger Johnson. Complain about that.

Oh, I have. More: as far as the Bengals are concerned, there was nothing particularly "great" about Paul Brown. He didn't do badly, but certainly never came close to the kind of success he had in Cleveland.

WTF? Man, Brown won with an expansion team when expansion teams couldn't win. Fastest expansion team to get to the Playoffs? The Bengals, coached by Paul Brown. This was before teams were given the keys to the kingdom they get nowadays.

Um, if I'm not mistaken the Panthers AND the Jaguars both made it the the Conference Championship game in their second year. And I'm sure both of those teams and the Browns and Texans would agree they were handed no kingdom.

That said, the Bengals were screwed their first year as far as trying to get players from existing teams and what Paul managed to do with this team is just short of amazing.

[Kazkal]

So what? Tony Dungy didn't coach the DL. "Oh god, if only Tony Dungy had coached the Bengals' D-line 20 years ago everything would have been different." The great Paul Brown passed over Bill Walsh for Tiger Johnson. Complain about that.

Oh, I have. More: as far as the Bengals are concerned, there was nothing particularly "great" about Paul Brown. He didn't do badly, but certainly never came close to the kind of success he had in Cleveland.

WTF? Man, Brown won with an expansion team when expansion teams couldn't win. Fastest expansion team to get to the Playoffs? The Bengals, coached by Paul Brown. This was before teams were given the keys to the kingdom they get nowadays.

Um, if I'm not mistaken the Panthers AND the Jaguars both made it the the Conference Championship game in their second year. And I'm sure both of those teams and the Browns and Texans would agree they were handed no kingdom.

That said, the Bengals were screwed their first year as far as trying to get players from existing teams and what Paul managed to do with this team is just short of amazing.

Me thinks he ment before the current era when it was unknown of vs when Panthers & jaguars came in.

[HairOnFire]

Why Tiger Johnson though? Poop!

Poop, indeed.