Brown Turds may cut Steinbach

[icehole3]

http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/conte...ters_comin.html

And my sources in Cleveland tell me that Eric Steinbach is in deep trouble. Eric Mangini likes big, bruising maulers on the offensive line.

Steinbach doesn’t fit the mold. He’s more finesse. I look for Steinbach to get released after the 2009 season. If fact, with his fat contract, he’ll be fortunate to make the 53-man roster. Don’t be shocked if he gets terminated before the ‘09 opener.

Dont worry, Mike Brown will sleep right thru it.

[membengal]

The Bengals liked him, just not at the price he eventually got.

In fact, IF he is cut, it would appear that a lot of you will have to admit the Bengals made the right call there and the Cleveland Browns f**ked up.

That said, he would be be a help to this team back at guard (or center???), and would perhaps come at a reasonable price if he is cut.

[HoTbOy]

I liked ESteinbach he did pretty good to me to say that he isn't a mauler, I would welcome him back in a New York minute, he can play every position on the line, to say that he is a finesse player, he held up pretty good to me in the AFCN with the big NT from the Steelers and Ravens...

[HoosierCat]

In fact, IF he is cut, it would appear that a lot of you will have to admit the Bengals made the right call there and the Cleveland Browns f**ked up.

Uh, no. Steiny has been a top-flight player in Cleveland. Oh, and where's that guy they signed instead of him? Right. In Baltimore.

That was the f**kup.

What does need to be admitted is that Cleveland screwed up and hired an idiot as a coach.

[gregstephens]

In fact, IF he is cut, it would appear that a lot of you will have to admit the Bengals made the right call there and the Cleveland Browns f**ked up.

Uh, no. Steiny has been a top-flight player in Cleveland. Oh, and where's that guy they signed instead of him? Right. In Baltimore.

That was the f**kup.

What does need to be admitted is that Cleveland screwed up and hired an idiot as a coach.

I gotta agree here. Steinbach did everything right in Cincy save the boating DUI. Age and wear and tear being issues, I always wanted them to keep him over Willie...especially we ended up dumping him unceremoniously anyway.

[Ickey44]

In fact, IF he is cut, it would appear that a lot of you will have to admit the Bengals made the right call there and the Cleveland Browns f**ked up.

Uh, no. Steiny has been a top-flight player in Cleveland. Oh, and where's that guy they signed instead of him? Right. In Baltimore.

That was the f**kup.

What does need to be admitted is that Cleveland screwed up and hired an idiot as a coach.

Couldn't have said it any better.

[membengal]

In fact, IF he is cut, it would appear that a lot of you will have to admit the Bengals made the right call there and the Cleveland Browns f**ked up.

Uh, no. Steiny has been a top-flight player in Cleveland. Oh, and where's that guy they signed instead of him? Right. In Baltimore.

That was the f**kup.

What does need to be admitted is that Cleveland screwed up and hired an idiot as a coach.

Or, that Cleveland VASTLY overpaid for him a few years ago, and are cutting bait now to salve the wound.

I said I would like Steinbach back, Hoosier. And I would. But at a reasonable price.

Face it, if Cleveland cuts him, they are admitting they made a mistake. You can hop on Mangini all you want, but that admission is at the core of it.

And the Bengals were right not to pay that outlandish contract. He wasn't worth it at those dollars.

[membengal]

In fact, IF he is cut, it would appear that a lot of you will have to admit the Bengals made the right call there and the Cleveland Browns f**ked up.

Uh, no. Steiny has been a top-flight player in Cleveland. Oh, and where's that guy they signed instead of him? Right. In Baltimore.

That was the f**kup.

What does need to be admitted is that Cleveland screwed up and hired an idiot as a coach.

I gotta agree here. Steinbach did everything right in Cincy save the boating DUI. Age and wear and tear being issues, I always wanted them to keep him over Willie...especially we ended up dumping him unceremoniously anyway.

Let's not forget, he also got Carson's knee caved in.

[membengal]

So that's three of you that won't admit you were wrong. I really really REALLY hope Cleveland cuts him. That would spice up the off-season tremendously from here to camp. Perhaps a 12-step program to admitting you were wrong is in order...

[gregstephens]

In fact, IF he is cut, it would appear that a lot of you will have to admit the Bengals made the right call there and the Cleveland Browns f**ked up.

Uh, no. Steiny has been a top-flight player in Cleveland. Oh, and where's that guy they signed instead of him? Right. In Baltimore.

That was the f**kup.

What does need to be admitted is that Cleveland screwed up and hired an idiot as a coach.

I gotta agree here. Steinbach did everything right in Cincy save the boating DUI. Age and wear and tear being issues, I always wanted them to keep him over Willie...especially we ended up dumping him unceremoniously anyway.

Let's not forget, he also got Carson's knee caved in.

Alright, HE got Palmer's knee caved in. SOMEONE ELSE got Palmer's nose broken. SOMEONE ELSE got his elbow tore up.

Somebody in New England got Brady's knee caved in.

Point is, those injuries happen in football. Unless you want to start making the quarterback position one of two-hand touch, injuries are going to happen. You can't cut every lineman in the NFL because they allowed a sack. The 2005 Bengals, of which Steinbach was a key part, allowed less than twenty that year. Protected Palmer all year long. The hit was at a weird angle and some said it was a cheap shot.

Steinbach's an excellent guard. Let it go.

[membengal]

But he ain't worth $49 million. And recounting his bengals days without mentioning his part in the Kimo knee cave-in is disingenuous...

That said, greg, I already said I would like him back. But at a reasonable price.

[COB]

[gregstephens]

But he ain't worth $49 million. And recounting his bengals days without mentioning his part in the Kimo knee cave-in is disingenuous...

That said, greg, I already said I would like him back. But at a reasonable price.

Here's the dynamic you overlook, though. The Bengals could have pursued an extension prior to the 2006 season. No. They extended Willie to the tune of over 6 mill a season AND Levi to the tune of over 6 mill a season. Willie was more than five years older than Steinbach, who can play all positions on the line (read here CENTER). Levi always had motivation issues that was elevated with the rest of that 2005 line.

If the Bengals had tried prior to 2006 to lock up Steinbach, I don't think he would have been a 49 million dollar deal. I think you probably get him for 5.5 to 6 million. Maybe he's 25-35 million tops depending on the length of the contract.

Don't you think that would have been a better value than either of the two we did pursue?

[gregstephens]

Freaking brilliant.

[membengal]

Perhaps. But the point is this, Steinbach wanted T money. And he got T money. More power to him. And the Bengals were not going to pay him T money. More power to them. So what you are positing is a flight of fancy, greg, not based in reality. It didn't come to pass because it wasn't going to come to pass.

The Browns paid a ridiculous sum for a non-T. If the Bengals can get him back for a reasonable amount, swizzle. But, still, that Cleveland might let him go at this point? Hysterical.

[HoosierCat]

If the Bengals had tried prior to 2006 to lock up Steinbach, I don't think he would have been a 49 million dollar deal. I think you probably get him for 5.5 to 6 million. Maybe he's 25-35 million tops depending on the length of the contract.

Don't you think that would have been a better value than either of the two we did pursue?

Actually, Steiny's agent said the offer they made to the Bengals before Eric left was for a bit over $5 million a year. The Bengals rejected it.

And recounting his bengals days without mentioning his part in the Kimo knee cave-in is disingenuous...

No more so than ignoring the fact that he's still playing at a high level while the two guys the Bengals signed instead may be watching the season from their couches this fall.

Or ignoring that it's the coaching change in Cleveland, not Steinbach's performance or pay, that's cited as the reason he may be let go.

[gregstephens]

If the Bengals had tried prior to 2006 to lock up Steinbach, I don't think he would have been a 49 million dollar deal. I think you probably get him for 5.5 to 6 million. Maybe he's 25-35 million tops depending on the length of the contract.

Don't you think that would have been a better value than either of the two we did pursue?

Actually, Steiny's agent said the offer they made to the Bengals before Eric left was for a bit over $5 million a year. The Bengals rejected it.

Of course they did.

Side note, I'm not at all saying he was worth the $49 million in Cleveland. 7 mill is hard to say for almost any o-lineman, but for us to let him walk out at 5 mill when we signed the other two at over six..

[COB]

The same guy made this one. "Who the f**k still uses a payphone?"

[HoTbOy]

But he ain't worth $49 million. And recounting his bengals days without mentioning his part in the Kimo knee cave-in is disingenuous...

That said, greg, I already said I would like him back. But at a reasonable price.

I agree that 49 mil may have been a little over the top, but nonetheless he is still a very good player...The new coach may come to regret letting him go if he does, just like we did...

[derekshank]

Steiny didn't stay in Cincinnati for one main reason. He was below average at pass blocking. He was one of the best run blocking and pulling guards in the NFL, but he routinely allowed players to get around him in pass blocking... something they knew Whitworth would not allow. THe thinking was simple... why pay him millions when there is currently someone sitting on the bench that can do a comparable job for far less money?

[redsbengalsbucks]

The same guy made this one. "Who the f**k still uses a payphone?"

Wow watching that video is almost as bad as being in Cleveland.

[ArmyBengal]

I hated it when we got rid of Steinbach. I hated it more that we extended a bunch of people older than him. I hated it even more in seeing Willie getting released, Andrews amounting to nothing and now Levi possibly getting released. Steinbach was a pro-bowl alternate and you can bash the whole "alternate" all you want, but his production was at a high level. He was a steal at the top of the 2nd and we just let that walk when we could have had him for far less than the 7 million per year he got in Cleveland.

Did Cleveland overpay ?? Yes. Would I laugh at them for releasing him ?? Yes.

Seeing as how we still need Guard depth (at a minimum) and a possible replacement next year, I would welcome him back at a reasonable price as well.

I just don't see that happening even if he were released..

[derekshank]

I hated it when we got rid of Steinbach. I hated it more that we extended a bunch of people older than him. I hated it even more in seeing Willie getting released, Andrews amounting to nothing and now Levi possibly getting released. Steinbach was a pro-bowl alternate and you can bash the whole "alternate" all you want, but his production was at a high level. He was a steal at the top of the 2nd and we just let that walk when we could have had him for far less than the 7 million per year he got in Cleveland.

Did Cleveland overpay ?? Yes. Would I laugh at them for releasing him ?? Yes.

Seeing as how we still need Guard depth (at a minimum) and a possible replacement next year, I would welcome him back at a reasonable price as well.

I just don't see that happening even if he were released..

If you bring him back, who sits the bench? A. Smith and Whitworth as OT's, Steiny as a guard... Collins on the bench? I don't know man. I think I'd prefer a beefy guy like Whitworth to be there next to A. Smith or Collins as they continue to learn to play LT at the NFL level.

[HoosierCat]

Yeah. While I still like Eric I don't see a spot for him. They replaced him with Whit, and Livings showed he could hold down LG if need be last season. And we've got plenty of potential replacements for Bobbie in-house.

[gregstephens]

Wait a minute. A line that allows over fifty sacks last year. You draft a tackle that is not only unproven on an NFL level, but here-to-fore still unsigned even. You're relying on a fourth round draft to anchor at center. You can't find a place for a proven, experience Pro-Bowl level lineman that can play all positions and already knows our offense if the price were reasonable?

All of sudden that o-line we've spent all off season grousing about (ad nauseum even) is in too great of shape to add Steinbach in the mix?

Personally, not buying it.