Thurmanation Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Does anyone think theres potential to change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this coming off season? I saw in a few games Zimmer throw in a 3-4 here and there but it was never stuck with. Also with the arise of Peppers wanting out of Carolina, and Haynesworth leaving Tennesea we could pick up either of them and they would fit the scheme perfect. Then we can draft a LB with number 6 (or second round), plug him in at ILB beside Dhani, and have Rivers and Jeanty or Blackstock play OLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bearcat1975 Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I doubt very much they switch to 3-4.They ended on a high note, "why change"?This is a yearly offseason topic. Last time we ran a 3-4 was in the LeBeau days I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Does anyone think theres potential to change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this coming off season? I saw in a few games Zimmer throw in a 3-4 here and there but it was never stuck with. Also with the arise of Peppers wanting out of Carolina, and Haynesworth leaving Tennesea we could pick up either of them and they would fit the scheme perfect. Then we can draft a LB with number 6 (or second round), plug him in at ILB beside Dhani, and have Rivers and Jeanty or Blackstock play OLB.I cannot count the number of threads that have been started here on this very subject. The answer always comes out the same.Not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 Welll the 3-4 talk was due to come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 The other topic that keeps coming up is us going after Haynesworth. I see no possible way that happens. He'll get such huge money that he's probably looking at Cowboys or Redskins as his next employer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Maybe the Chiefs go after him too. They have some spare change floating around right now. If SF could get him they'd have some really good pieces in key positions on that D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Maybe Mike Brown will hire Albert Haynesworth to be his new GM. Mmmm, crazy drunk talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Maybe Mike Brown will hire Albert Haynesworth to be his new GM. Mmmm, crazy drunk talk.No, no, no.Mike is a "redeemer," remember?Our new GM should be Darnay Scott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 18, 2009 Report Share Posted January 18, 2009 Every year and the same outcome. I think the only time this could really be considered (and that time has passed) is when a new DC comes into the mix and is allowed to run it his way. Zimmer is a 4-3 base guy and I would say it will remain that way until he's no longer the DC. That being said, I think once he gets that side of the ball set with the basics of his defense, they may try to do some different things and we saw a taste of that this past season.Haynesworth and Peppers will NOT be coming to Cincinnati. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Every year and the same outcome. I think the only time this could really be considered (and that time has passed) is when a new DC comes into the mix and is allowed to run it his way. Zimmer is a 4-3 base guy and I would say it will remain that way until he's no longer the DC.Actually, Zimmer has (successfully) co-ordinated both a 3-4 & a 4-3. His 4-3 defenses finished fourth in net yards allowed (287.4) in 2001 and first in '03 (253.5) And in 2005, Zimmer installed a 3-4 scheme, marking the Cowboys' first departure from the 4-3 since the club was founded in 1960. In a transition year, Dallas finished 10th in the NFL in total defense (300.9 yards allowed per game). That being said, there's no way we have the personnel for a 3-4 - No NT (but lots of UT's), smallish DE's, and our LB's - especially outside - are too light & aren't nearly good enough.I am a proponent of the 3-4, but we can't get there in one season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 DD, I wasn't aware of that, so thanks for the info. The other part has always been true of our defense in regards to the switch to 3-4, no nose tackle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Does anyone think theres potential to change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this coming off season?Maybe we can bring back Odell as one of the ILBs *laff* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurmanation Posted January 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Does anyone think theres potential to change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this coming off season?Maybe we can bring back Odell as one of the ILBs *laff*hopefully.I also see where everyones points are coming from. I just like to think of it as happening after seeing it a few times this year; Peko, Thornton and Geathers or Odom on the line. Can't remember the 4 LB's playing but i think we still had Rivers. I just think the 3-4 is a far better defence to run. No matter what personnel you have down as long as you incorperate what you have in the right spots its pretty good. I also see the Bengals not doing what they always do in the off season this year. I see them going after atleast one big name like when we got Deltha and Adams. (not saying they were amazing but they helped for a solid year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 Does anyone think theres potential to change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this coming off season?Maybe we can bring back Odell as one of the ILBs *laff*With how his weight always ballooned up as people claimed maybe he should be the NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I don't think we have the personnel for the 3-4. As a primary defense, it would set us back at least 2 seasons if we changed now. Sims is a good prospect and should be solid next to Peko. Neither is really a fit for 3-4 ends, as they are one-gap players. Shirley might be a decent NT, but he has conditioning issues already and is still unproven. Behind him, there is nobody on the roster that could play that position. LB wise, Rivers is not a pure pash-rusher or a guy that would be effective taking on G's all game. The same is true with Johnson, who is probably the next best, versatile LB on the team. Jones and Jeanty would be OK on the inside, but who are your rushers and where does that put Odom and Geathers. I think the current D, with the addition of a playmaking MLB is on the cusp of being consistently one of the better defenses in the league, in Zimmer and Fitzgerald's 2nd full season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 I don't think we have the personnel for the 3-4. As a primary defense, it would set us back at least 2 seasons if we changed now. Sims is a good prospect and should be solid next to Peko. Neither is really a fit for 3-4 ends, as they are one-gap players. Shirley might be a decent NT, but he has conditioning issues already and is still unproven. Behind him, there is nobody on the roster that could play that position. LB wise, Rivers is not a pure pash-rusher or a guy that would be effective taking on G's all game. The same is true with Johnson, who is probably the next best, versatile LB on the team. Jones and Jeanty would be OK on the inside, but who are your rushers and where does that put Odom and Geathers. I think the current D, with the addition of a playmaking MLB is on the cusp of being consistently one of the better defenses in the league, in Zimmer and Fitzgerald's 2nd full season.Great post. I agree, this D is set as a 4-3.. I like how Zimmer tosses in a few 3-4 looks though. It keeps the offense guessing. I love your attitude. I also think we are one or two really GOOD players away.Rey Malugulalalala here we come!Would be amazing if Odell has kept in shape. Highly doubtful but damn how incredible would that trio (little Ray, Rey, and Rivers) be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 20, 2009 Report Share Posted January 20, 2009 Would be amazing if Odell has kept in shape.Hard to tell but it looks to me like he's put on a few pounds...http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ont/1082512.txt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Does anyone think theres potential to change from a 4-3 to a 3-4 this coming off season?Maybe we can bring back Odell as one of the ILBs *laff*hopefully.lol...so says the former Thurmanation...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Would be amazing if Odell has kept in shape.Hard to tell but it looks to me like he's put on a few pounds...http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ont/1082512.txtThat's 100+ pounds easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinc1129 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 I think the chances of Odell returning are about as good as the switch to a 3-4. Sorry, but I just don't see either happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agreen_112 Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Would be amazing if Odell has kept in shape.Hard to tell but it looks to me like he's put on a few pounds...http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ont/1082512.txtThat's 100+ pounds easy! Stripes never make anyone look thin... He's ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Would be amazing if Odell has kept in shape.Hard to tell but it looks to me like he's put on a few pounds...http://www.sanduskyregister.com/articles/2...ont/1082512.txtWhat's more amusing are the comments below the article from, what I guess, are some f*cking idiots that like to throw racial remarks around. Want to know if racism is alive and well ?? Just go to Ohio. It's embarrassing...Back on track, Odell isn't going to be back in stripes EVER and if he would even get a sniff, the Bengals should be pounded for even considering such a move. The organization has made moves to try to move away from those past poor decisions and there is no reason to consider heading back in that direction. NO REASON... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Stripes never make anyone look thin... He's okAgreen, what about that picture, or the circumstances that led to that picture, could possibly lead you to conclude that Odell is in any way "ok"? The jury will probably forget guilt or innocence, and just bring back a verdict of "Not ok", that's how not ok Odell is right now. Odell's swirling in a vortex of self destruction completely of his own making. Also, stripes or not, he looks fat to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Stripes never make anyone look thin... He's okAgreen, what about that picture, or the circumstances that led to that picture, could possibly lead you to conclude that Odell is in any way "ok"? The jury will probably forget guilt or innocence, and just bring back a verdict of "Not ok", that's how not ok Odell is right now. Odell's swirling in a vortex of self destruction completely of his own making. Also, stripes or not, he looks fat to me.Well Odell has always looked chubby w/ chubby face because when he weighed 250 which was around his playing weight people said he was 300+ lbs...With that being said does look like he gained some weight but I doubt it is as high as people are making cracks for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted January 21, 2009 Report Share Posted January 21, 2009 Makes me sad to think of how good of a LB core we could have right now with a right Odell, alongside Keith Rivers and any combination of Dhani Jones/Brandon Johnson/Rashad Jeanty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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