Marvin Finally Responds

[jjakq27]

He also said he planned no changes on his staff and fired Les Frazier a couple of days later.

I was only posing the question because I wasn't sure about what the "after June 1" comment actually meant.

Personally I hope he gets it together and decides to come around soon. Otherwise if he sits, I hope it is for the entire season. I don't think I can take the daily "Chad Watch" updates that would surely be everywhere.

[HairOnFire]

so the truth is revealed...Chad has no confidence in the D. Join the freaking club.

Well, if it's the truth who says it's the whole truth?

Isn't it fair to conclude Chad is waging war in the media against the Bengals? And isn't it fair to conclude he's trying to win public support? So why wouldn't he make a negative and uninformed statement that he knows will appeal to the ShulaSteakhouses of the world?

Of course he's going to lob fat pitches into the always negative wheelhouse. I mean c'mon, what did you expect? There's no way Chad is going to mention the signings of Odom or Utecht, right? Because somebody might point out that they were good deals. Instead, Chad will point to the one that got away and ignore the circumstances because they don't fit neatly into his "trade me" rant. And of course an always negative fan like KidSteakhouse will eat it all up even though he openly mocked the thought of adding Rogers. And there's the rub because Chad's statements are aimed at the Bengal fan who is always going to look at things negatively.

Poor Chad, he just wants to win.

Chad's complaints about the Bengals "going backwards" are blatantly self serving. Let's take a moment and remember how this all began. We start with Chad feeling wounded and betrayed by the first stirrings of real criticism directed his way, right? Since then Chad has consistently attempted to deflect the criticism directed towards him by pointing fingers at others, from Carson Palmer...to the mystery source in the front office who leaked a wickedly accurate prediction about Chad quitting on the team....to the coaching staff...and now to the defense.

And before anyone mentions it, while admitting that he has played poorly and on occasion been completely out of line Chad never actually takes full responsibilty for his failings. Instead, whether we're talking about his miserable blocking or his long history of emotional breakdowns he simply jokes about his failings. Worse, he not only doesn't improve in these areas despite giving lip service to them for YEARS, he actually digs in and admits he has no intention of changing....pointing to his receiving numbers as proof that his game can't be criticized or improved.

In short, Chad's been saying the same thing for three months now. That being, nothing is his fault. Not the loss in the 2005 playoffs, not the late season fade in 2006, not his miserable play in 2007 when it mattered most. In fact, it's not even his fault that he didn't bother looking where the ball had went after he fumbled in the Cardinal game. You see, his spirit had already been broken by that point. So blame the players who broke his incredible will, not him. Blame the players who make a fraction of what Chad earns.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of money.....

[Oldcat]

If Chad is so interested in us getting defensive help, he could negotiate his cap hit downward so we could sign more defensive players.

Its pointless to discuss how bad or not bad Chad is on the field. If we let some loudmouth bully us into negating a contract with a couple

of interveiws on NFL Network, you might as well disband our franchise. Goodell will never fine another team for tampering with our players.

He signed a long term deal for security. Well the flip side in an inflationary league is that new contracts are gonna outstrip yours. Id rather

pay him to sit on his ass in Miami or California then watch our players dribble away becuase we are too weak to keep them.

I don't really care if he's happy. He can play here or nowhere. See how often the media comes a calling once the season starts.

[ArmyBengal]

It's all about $?

From ESPN:

"I can't force them to trade me. … I'm just trying to let them know I'm not happy," Johnson told ESPN's Stuart Scott on Monday. "We're fooling ourselves not doing things we need to do to compete with the Indy's, the Jacksonville's, Dallas. How do you let Shaun Rogers get away? That helps your run defense. Our defense gives us a chance to win. I'm frustrated. I'm feeling like our fans felt 10 or 11 years before I got here and now we're going backward … not forward. We finished 11-5, 8-8, 7-9 … what are we gonna be this season coming up?"

What are "WE" going to be this upcoming season ?? "WE" Chad ?? F*ck you !!! Here's an idea you mentally constipated f*ck, stop worrying about what the teams record is going to be and start trying to improve YOUR game to help the TEAM !!! It amazes me that he is to retarded to realize how he is distancing himself from the people he has claimed to love, in the fans of Cincinnati. Chad (while he will still be a Bengal this season) is a f*cking pair of clown shoes. Everytime I see him on TV, I want to throw a brick at it !!! My hatred for his ignorant ass grows with each passing day !!!

WHODEY !!!

[gregstephens]

It's all about $?

From ESPN:

"I can't force them to trade me. … I'm just trying to let them know I'm not happy," Johnson told ESPN's Stuart Scott on Monday. "We're fooling ourselves not doing things we need to do to compete with the Indy's, the Jacksonville's, Dallas. How do you let Shaun Rogers get away? That helps your run defense. Our defense gives us a chance to win. I'm frustrated. I'm feeling like our fans felt 10 or 11 years before I got here and now we're going backward … not forward. We finished 11-5, 8-8, 7-9 … what are we gonna be this season coming up?"

What are "WE" going to be this upcoming season ?? "WE" Chad ?? F*ck you !!! Here's an idea you mentally constipated f*ck, stop worrying about what the teams record is going to be and start trying to improve YOUR game to help the TEAM !!! It amazes me that he is to retarded to realize how he is distancing himself from the people he has claimed to love, in the fans of Cincinnati. Chad (while he will still be a Bengal this season) is a f*cking pair of clown shoes. Everytime I see him on TV, I want to throw a brick at it !!! My hatred for his ignorant ass grows with each passing day !!!

WHODEY !!!

I'm sorry, AB. I don't quite get what you mean. Please quit sugar coating it.

[ArmyBengal]

Sorry about the confusion there... Please allow me to clarify...

"F*CK YOU CHAD" !!!

WHODEY !!!

[bengalsfansince68]

"F*CK YOU CHAD" !!!

The only thing I could add to that is...

PHUCK YOU CHAD!!!

[kingwilly]

so the truth is revealed...Chad has no confidence in the D. Join the freaking club.

Well, if it's the truth who says it's the whole truth?

Isn't it fair to conclude Chad is waging war in the media against the Bengals? And isn't it fair to conclude he's trying to win public support? So why wouldn't he make a negative and uninformed statement that he knows will appeal to the ShulaSteakhouses of the world?

Of course he's going to lob fat pitches into the always negative wheelhouse. I mean c'mon, what did you expect? There's no way Chad is going to mention the signings of Odom or Utecht, right? Because somebody might point out that they were good deals. Instead, Chad will point to the one that got away and ignore the circumstances because they don't fit neatly into his "trade me" rant. And of course an always negative fan like KidSteakhouse will eat it all up even though he openly mocked the thought of adding Rogers. And there's the rub because Chad's statements are aimed at the Bengal fan who is always going to look at things negatively.

Poor Chad, he just wants to win.

Chad's complaints about the Bengals "going backwards" are blatantly self serving. Let's take a moment and remember how this all began. We start with Chad feeling wounded and betrayed by the first stirrings of real criticism directed his way, right? Since then Chad has consistently attempted to deflect the criticism directed towards him by pointing fingers at others, from Carson Palmer...to the mystery source in the front office who leaked a wickedly accurate prediction about Chad quitting on the team....to the coaching staff...and now to the defense.

And before anyone mentions it, while admitting that he has played poorly and on occasion been completely out of line Chad never actually takes full responsibilty for his failings. Instead, whether we're talking about his miserable blocking or his long history of emotional breakdowns he simply jokes about his failings. Worse, he not only doesn't improve in these areas despite giving lip service to them for YEARS, he actually digs in and admits he has no intention of changing....pointing to his receiving numbers as proof that his game can't be criticized or improved.

In short, Chad's been saying the same thing for three months now. That being, nothing is his fault. Not the loss in the 2005 playoffs, not the late season fade in 2006, not his miserable play in 2007 when it mattered most. In fact, it's not even his fault that he didn't bother looking where the ball had went after he fumbled in the Cardinal game. You see, his spirit had already been broken by that point. So blame the players who broke his incredible will, not him. Blame the players who make a fraction of what Chad earns.

Oh, and while we're on the subject of money.....

I'm sorry, let me be more clear in light of your dissection, as you are correct.

so, the "truth" continues to evolve...NOW, it's the defense...

tomorrow, it will be a practice bubble, then it will be his pants don;t fit right, next it will be someone told him orange makes him look fat...and so on, and so on...

[volcom69]

Its pretty sad when you wanna get so excited about your team or the things your team does ect ect, except all you ever hear anymore is this stupid sh*t. I didnt know Chad played defense since your such a team player chad why dont you go out there and help your fellow teammates lol. What i dont get instead of always worring what your next TD celebration is or what you wanna say to the media or even before you make up some pathetic list of CBs that you beat the next week, how about you remember you have teammates. Just because your on the offense dosnt mean you cant go over and fire up the defense in some ways, i dont know this is pathetic and im just so sick of all this bullsh*t.

[Jet23]

Had I but one sports wish, I would wish the Shockey treatment upon Flavor Flav. Sit out the season, while Carson and the boys bring home the hardware. Having Chad sit there in his clown chair as the entire city covers it's mouth, points and laughs at the newest Mr. Irrelevant.

IMO they are already preparing themselves for life without Chad. Who would have thunk it, a pass catching Tight End...

[HairOnFire]

Here's the view from a dedicated Mike Brown basher, a diehard Bengal critic, and the man Chad Johnson hand picked to write his biography....

From Paul Daugherty`s blog . . .

As for Chad Johnson... do the right thing. Show up, play hard, honor the contract your agent advised you to sign. This whole act about how his team blames him for 7-9, his coach doesnt call him (since when is that required?), my column hurt his feelings etc. is a front. He wants more money. He wants the Bengals to sweeten his contract for the 3rd time. He made 16 mil the last 2 years, in a front-loaded deal. In the next three years, he gets less.

He couldnt have been pleased to see L. Fitzgerald get 4yrs and $40 mil, because he's better than Fitzgerald. That's not the issue. The issue is, the harder he pushes Mike Brown, the harder Brown pushes back. The Bengals will keep a player until his problems exceed his production, aka Corey Dillon. Chad's still a great player, so unless he tanks it, he's stuck.

Nobody wants him out of Cincinnati. Nobody, either on or off the record, ever called him a "cancer.'' Everybody would like to see him grow up and be the leader he can be. His personality is important to the locker room. Chad's upbeat, so is everyone else. But there are those within those walls who are tiring of him, who would tell you that the charges of selfishness are true.

Only Chad can change Chad. Let's hope he does. You can choose to be angry and resentful. Or you can choose not to. Seems a simple decision.

[ArmyBengal]

Funny how Henry's stupidity isn't even a close second to this bullsh*t anymore !!!

WHODEY !!!

[HairOnFire]

Well, I wouldn't say it's funny but observing the reaction to Chad's temper tantrum is interesting.

For example, on ESPN's NFL Live the three talking heads all agreed that Chad's rant had nothing to do with the complaints he was making. All agreed that it was just a ploy for more money....a conclusion that more and more people are coming to.

Merril Hodge went on to say that Chad needed to "look in the mirror", then took a few shots at his play, and finished off by noting that "professionals handle these things behind closed doors."

Mark Schlereth added..."coaches coach, players play"...before pointing out Shaun Rogers reputation for going hard only one play out of four, then noting "the Bengals already have too many players like that." He then challenged Chad to earn his paycheck by becoming a leader.

Also, while listening to ESPN Radio this afternoon I heard an announcer play a soundbite from the Dave Dameshek Show where Chad repeats his vow to play Arena Ball this season. In the background a voice can clearly be heard saying..."That's just stupid."

[jjakq27]

Also, while listening to ESPN Radio this afternoon I heard an announcer play a soundbite from the Dave Dameshek Show where Chad repeats his vow to play Arena Ball this season. In the background a voice can clearly be heard saying..."That's just stupid."

What team does PDub play for now?

[HoosierCat]

Well, I wouldn't say it's funny but observing the reaction to Chad's temper tantrum is interesting.

Well, there's a lot that's funny/interesting about the whole last week or two's kerfuffle. Like, for example, the react from Doc you note above. That's really not a response to Chad; that's a response to "the Chickster" (as he now bizarrely styles himself on his blog) breaking journalistic omerta and outing Daugerty as (allegedly) the font of all Chad-related journalistic evils. And ding the talking heads all you want, but Marvin interoggator Solomon Wilcots was on (local, I believe) radio a few days back saying basically the same thing as Chad -- that the Bengals hadn't improved, that Odom wasn't an upgrade versus Justin, etc. In short, Chad's far fro the only fool in this parade.

[HairOnFire]

And ding the talking heads all you want, but Marvin interoggator Solomon Wilcots was on (local, I believe) radio a few days back saying basically the same thing as Chad -- that the Bengals hadn't improved, that Odom wasn't an upgrade versus Justin, etc. In short, Chad's far fro the only fool in this parade.

Ahhhh, but that's just the thing. The question of whether the Bengals have improved is open to debate, and you can include me amongst the crowd that isn't convinced Antwan Odom is a true upgrade over Justin Smith. But most people, including Wilcots, have concluded Chad's "trade me" demand is based almost totally in his desire for more money, and his need to deflect criticism. And addressing both of those points just a few days ago on Total Access Wilcots stated flatly that the Bengals may owe Chad an apology if a front office source leaked criticism to Mortenson, but they don't owe him anything else. Including money.

Wilcots went on to suggest Chad has actually underperformed and should look at his own play when wondering why the Bengals have missed the playoffs. Sound familiar? Wilcots pointed to the last six games of the 2006 season and the first 9 games of the 2007 season, noting Chad had scored only 3 TD's over that 16 game span. He then suggested that a player of Chad's ability, while producing excellent stats, should be producing far more TD's than he has. Finally, he said the only thing preventing Chad from producing an 1,800 yard season are dropped passes and a lack of focus.

And getting back to whether or not Chad's demands are based upon a desire for more money there's also this to consider....

"It’s all the outside stuff that gets to him. Him looking at other people’s contracts and all the other BS that gets him going. Once he’s here, he’s fine.” --- Antonio Chatman

[HoosierCat]

[but most people, including Wilcots, have concluded Chad's "trade me" demand is based almost totally in his desire for more money

Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but that's beside my point, which is simply that I can't help but laugh at talking heads who bash Chad for his antics, the turn around and say the same things about the Bengals themselves. As to whether it's all about money or not, well, I'll be happy to let "Doc" and "The Chickster" fight that one out!

[BengalByTheBay]

Wilcots went on to suggest Chad has actually underperformed and should look at his own play when wondering why the Bengals have missed the playoffs. Sound familiar?

Wait....wait.....I know this one...........HOF IS SOLOMON WILCOTS?!!?!!!!!?!

(What do I win?)

[HairOnFire]

Maybe it is and maybe it isn't, but that's beside my point, which is simply that I can't help but laugh at talking heads who bash Chad for his antics, the turn around and say the same things about the Bengals themselves.

Sorry, but it still seems obvious that Solomon Wilcots isn't a very good example of someone backing up Chad Johnson. In fact, his criticism of Chad has been fairly harsh and pretty much mirrors my own....although delivered in a more politically correct manner.

Again, it's not suprising that Chad would attempt to deflect criticism directed at him by pointing out the flaws and failures of the team. Far better to have people making excuses FOR him rather than criticizing his own level of play or greed, ehhh?

A better question would be why you're falling for it?

[HoosierCat]

Sorry, but it still seems obvious that Solomon Wilcots isn't a very good example of someone backing up Chad Johnson.

Well, that the thing: he isn't backing Chad -- yet at the same time, he's on record voicing similar complaints about the team's failure to improve. It's the hypocrisy that amuses me.

[skyline]

Sorry, but it still seems obvious that Solomon Wilcots isn't a very good example of someone backing up Chad Johnson.

Well, that the thing: he isn't backing Chad -- yet at the same time, he's on record voicing similar complaints about the team's failure to improve. It's the hypocrisy that amuses me.

It seems that he feels Chad made some legitimate points about failings of the Bengals organization, but that he doesn't believe those are Chad's true reasons for wanting to leave.

[HairOnFire]

Sorry, but it still seems obvious that Solomon Wilcots isn't a very good example of someone backing up Chad Johnson.

Well, that the thing: he isn't backing Chad -- yet at the same time, he's on record voicing similar complaints about the team's failure to improve. It's the hypocrisy that amuses me.

It seems that he feels Chad made some legitimate points about failings of the Bengals organization, but that he doesn't believe those are Chad's true reasons for wanting to leave.

Bingo.

He's also made it clear that whatever complaints Chad may have, legit or not, you don't act in the non-professional manner that practically defines who Chad Johnson is. (Douchebag)

And again, if Chad wants to debate why the team has gone backwards you have to consider dozens of reasons, including Chad's own level of play. But of course Chad has repeatedly warned the Bengals that if they do that publically..."it's over."

So there's your hypocrisy.

As for whether the Bengals have improved or not, while I'm not willing to say Antwan Odom is an upgrade over Justin Smith...it's just as true that I'm not sure he isn't. All I know is that it appeared to be the best move to replace a starting DE that was possible in free agency, so I for one am going to see what happens before I make any real judgement.

[BengalszoneBilly]

He's also made it clear that whatever complaints Chad may have, legit or not, you don't act in the non-professional manner that practically defines who Chad Johnson is. (Douchebag)

Why do high profile douchebags usually seem to be very talented at what they do? All other bad aspects aside of "The Chad", he is STILL a top WR in the league. I'm beginning to think it's usually (but not always) inherent with such players.

[HairOnFire]

I'm sure we can all agree the last word in any dispute should belong to Jamie Dukes, and as luck would have it he weighed in yet again on the problems Mr Bojangles is causing the Bengals. Dukes came to the conclusion the Bengals should accept a 1st round draft pick for Bojangles and move on. But the thing that really caught my ear was his earlier remark about how Marvin Lewis had, at some point in time, angered "the player" by saying he should score much more often.

If true then it's not just the likes of Solomon Wilcots and your beloved HOF who have voiced that opinion. Apparently Marvin Lewis does too and he had the nerve to share the opinion with Mr Bojangle, thereby causing his dog to up and die.

[HairOnFire]

And this snippet from the Dayton Daily News...

Good luck getting value for Chad now

By Sean McClelland

Staff Writer

Thursday, March 27, 2008

So Chad Johnson wants out of Cincinnati in part because of what some columnist wrote about him?

Sensitive guy. Lucky he doesn't play in New York.

Seriously, though, the Bengals are in a tough spot if they actually intend to trade Chad. No way they'll get fair market value if it appears they are up against the wall.

And dream on if you think you're getting a first-round draft choice and a starter for him. The time to trade him was last year, before he went completely off the rails and started boycotting workouts and talking about playing arena ball. But who could have foreseen this kind of meltdown?

You've got to feel for quarterback Carson Palmer, whose two starting receivers are skipping the voluntary offseason program. Palmer's a class act who just wants to win, and he's surrounded by clowns.