Robertson Deal Off

[COB]

Damn. If the NFL ever loses its anti trust exemption, we might have to fold the tent.

[chrishcovga]

Wow, that's harsh fellas. What's going on with this, its like Cincy is DT kryptonite?

NO, We are GM kryptonite !!

There are no Curse words or Curses in the english language equivalent of what I think about Mike Brown and his evil spawn of Blackburns !!

F*****CKERS !!!

[Larry]

Robertson is not that great... To be honest, I don't know at this point what Cinci can do to make me think they are serious about doing anything but making money...

[Horsemen]

Sell the team and exit. Maybe Brown'll just move to L.A. eventually and Cincy can get a real team.

[DawgPoundDude]

Sell the team and exit. Maybe Brown'll just move to L.A. eventually and Cincy can get a real team.

Wow...talk about a familiar scenario...

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I wonder if he's such a problem for the Jets that they cut him. They must have used an awful lot of cap space up the last few days.

He knows being cut has it's advantages as it makes him a free agent who can then renegotiate a contract with any team. He can hand pick the coach he'll play for and more importantly the city he'll live in.

Uh, sure, having no idea what kind of offers you'll get as a cut FA really has it's "advantages" to the pile he was currently signed for, because all these guys value location and coaches over bottom line $ and stability. And I would consider Cincy a place he'd really want to play, being closer to his alma mater and home.

Basically the Bengals either didn't offer him enough, even at a reduced price, or he didn't want to play here badly enough to sign a longer term deal, at least I'm left to assume that and not much else.

So, the Bengals' had a visit basically, weren't willing to pay enough, apparently so much so they just called the whole deal off right then and there, and said there would "be no trade."

This happens every year here. The Browns think they're at the Buick dealership negotiating downward on a new Lumina, like they used to when they bought their last one back in the late 70's.

Now it's 2008 and a needed, but over-valued 320 pound DT wants his big f'in caddy with all the fixins, and the Brown brothers have to over-pay to win games like everyone else, then you gotta give him the keys son, or don't bother coming to the table.

[Horsemen]

Wow...talk about a familiar scenario...

It was a blessing for Cleveland. Yeah they sucked for awhile afterwards but it looks like your GM is doing what it actually takes to build a winning franchise. Modell leaving was the best thing for Cleve just like Brown leaving the 'Natti would be the best thing for the Nasty Natti.

[No_Man]

Kinda odd that they would balk over $9.8mil. I mean, when the Jets cut him, he'll probably get a $10mil signing bonus from his next team. All they would have had to do is ask him to convert his salary, maybe extend his contract a bit, and the cap hit could have been spread out over 4 or 5 years. Any good GM would know that. Or maybe he just really wanted an excuse not to come to Cincy...

[DawgPoundDude]

Wow...talk about a familiar scenario...

It was a blessing for Cleveland. Yeah they sucked for awhile afterwards but it looks like your GM is doing what it actually takes to build a winning franchise. Modell leaving was the best thing for Cleve just like Brown leaving the 'Natti would be the best thing for the Nasty Natti.

amen to that, brother

[COB]

Uh, sure, having no idea what kind of offers you'll get as a cut FA really has it's "advantages" to the pile he was currently signed for,

In my opinion you have misread the situation. The pile he is currently signed for is irrelevent because no one is going to take that contract. His agent knows it.

The Bengals wanted him, the Jets wanted to get something for him. But his agent has seen the money these guys are getting this year, and he's looking at his guy getting cut as basically the same as if he were going into free agency. He wants a bidding war, and he's probably going to get one.

Good try for the Bengals, attempting to sign a guy without competitive bids. Good try for the Jets, trying to get something out of the guy instead of just having to cut him.

And good job for Robertson's agent, being a smart guy despite going through life with the name Hadley Engelhard.

[HairOnFire]

Uh, sure, having no idea what kind of offers you'll get as a cut FA really has it's "advantages" to the pile he was currently signed for, because all these guys value location and coaches over bottom line $ and stability.

Well, that's just the thing because it's a very good bet he won't make the money he's currently signed for. The Jets will almost certainly trade him to a team he's willing to renegotiate with or cut him outright before paying his roster bonus in June.

And I would consider Cincy a place he'd really want to play, being closer to his alma mater and home.

Well look at you. Arguing the only thing that matters is the bottom line in one sentence, and then getting all weepy and sentimental the next. The fact remains that when judging a cities ability to attract players based upon local culture, weather, or natural beauty Cincy probably ranks 32nd in the NFL.

The Browns think they're at the Buick dealership negotiating downward on a new Lumina, like they used to when they bought their last one back in the late 70's.

I know news travels slowly back there, but they weren't making Lumina's in the '70's, and when they finally got around to it the screws were turned by the fine folks at Chevrolet. And if you don't believe me just check the car sitting on blocks in your front yard. It's probably a Lumina or a Reliant.

[HairOnFire]

Good try for the Bengals, attempting to sign a guy without competitive bids. Good try for the Jets, trying to get something out of the guy instead of just having to cut him.

Exactly. Robertson knows that when he's cut he'll be able to pick from three or four bidders. Maybe more.

And good job for Robertson's agent, being a smart guy despite going through life with the name Hadley Engelhard.

The image of David Niven always comes to mind.

[DawgPoundDude]

Someone please remind me why choose to demoralize myself by liking this team.

Heh...I'd gladly give you MY shoes to walk in...up until last year, I felt the same way.

[DawgPoundDude]

Well look at you. Arguing the only thing that matters is the bottom line in one sentence, and then getting all weepy and sentimental the next. The fact remains that when judging a cities ability to attract players based upon local culture, weather, or natural beauty Cincy probably ranks 32nd in the NFL.

Wow...hey, ever been to Pittsburgh?...Oh, and I hear the rotting garbage smell in Detroit is just lovely this time of year.

[Jet23]

Taking a step back, is it really a bad thing that these two trades didn't go through? Can Cincinnati take someone else's garbage and make something out of them? I know New England can, but can the Bengals? I doubt it. Why not package some of the draft picks that they were willing to part with for two underachievers, and trade up to secure Dorsey or Ellis? I said months ago that what the defense needs is a leader (like Dorsey) to build around. I was met with 'no way in hell do the Bengals have a chance at Dorsey'. I would take Dorsey or Ellis over either one of those clowns. The can not just hope that one of them slips to #9. There is a better than even chance that Dorsey, Ellis and Gholston will all be gone by #9. That would suck.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Taking a step back, is it really a bad thing that these two trades didn't go through? Can Cincinnati take someone else's garbage and make something out of them? I know New England can, but can the Bengals? I doubt it. Why not package some of the draft picks that they were willing to part with for two underachievers, and trade up to secure Dorsey or Ellis? I said months ago that what the defense needs is a leader (like Dorsey) to build around. I was met with 'no way in hell do the Bengals have a chance at Dorsey'. I would take Dorsey or Ellis over either one of those clowns. The can not just hope that one of them slips to #9. There is a better than even chance that Dorsey, Ellis and Gholston will all be gone by #9. That would suck.

Baltimore's the key - many mocks have them taking that CB or an outside chance at Brohm. If they do, then we should get one of the three. Question is, if the Bengals want to nail it down, who do they trade with? Baltimore would be the logical choice since it would be free picks to them, since they're not as need-restricted, and it's only one spot. But would they do a trade within the division?

[James_Brooks21]

Taking a step back, is it really a bad thing that these two trades didn't go through? Can Cincinnati take someone else's garbage and make something out of them? I know New England can, but can the Bengals? I doubt it. Why not package some of the draft picks that they were willing to part with for two underachievers, and trade up to secure Dorsey or Ellis? I said months ago that what the defense needs is a leader (like Dorsey) to build around. I was met with 'no way in hell do the Bengals have a chance at Dorsey'. I would take Dorsey or Ellis over either one of those clowns. The can not just hope that one of them slips to #9. There is a better than even chance that Dorsey, Ellis and Gholston will all be gone by #9. That would suck.

Baltimore's the key - many mocks have them taking that CB or an outside chance at Brohm. If they do, then we should get one of the three. Question is, if the Bengals want to nail it down, who do they trade with? Baltimore would be the logical choice since it would be free picks to them, since they're not as need-restricted, and it's only one spot. But would they do a trade within the division?

You don't trade to move one spot up because if that team really wants that player they will not trade unless you give them something ridiculous which we shouldn't the best thing if you are going to trade would be to trade with Atlanta if Miami takes Ryan, Atlanta signed Turner the burner so they would not really need to stay in that position if Ryan is gone, because they don't have any need for McFadden they could trade with the Bengals and pick up an extra pick and stay close to the top of the draft and the Bengals would be able to get one of the defensive linemen.

[Bengals1]

We may be glad we passed on this one. Seems it may have been more than just the contract that made the Cats skiddish....

Robertson agent: Contract the issue

Agent Hadley Engelhard spoke Monday night to the New York Daily News about the proposed trade of Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson to the Bengals for two draft picks. And Jets general manager Mike Tannenbaum was available to reporters that cover the team on a conference call.

"Obviously, we were close," Tannenbaum said.

The Bengals agreed to trade fourth- and fifth-round picks to the Jets, the best deal the team had received for Robertson. He was in Cincinnati on Monday for a physical and to meet with the Bengals, Engelhard told The Daily News.

The sticking point was reworking Robertson's contract, which calls for base salaries totaling $18.8 million over the next two seasons.

"We couldn't come to terms, plain and simple," the agent told The Daily News.

According to the paper, Robertson had surgery on a broken hand recently, which did not worry the Bengals, Engelhard said. But the Bengals might have been wary of a bone-on-bone condition in Robertson's knee, the agent said.

[Pidge]

Yeah, bone on bone is never ideal. Especially at that frigging price.

[TJJackson]

I'm glad to see it's off.

I would not mind seeing him here, but not at the present cost (his 2008 salary), nor (obviously) at any renegotiated and ergo higher price.

I predict he will be released by the Jets sometime before his JUne roster bonus is due and will sign for no more than 3.5 million a year avg somewhere, but it will still be a win for him personally because there will be some guarenteed money in it and he'll get to choose where he lives from a small st of suitors

[HoosierCat]

From Curnutte...

Lewis: Robertson deal not dead

Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis said this morning that the possible trade for Jets defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson is not completely dead yet.

"I wouldn't say that. You know, I don't think that would be true at all," Lewis said when asked if the door has been slammed shut on the deal.

Asked for his comments on the near-miss efforts to trade for Lions defensive tackle Shaun Rogers and Robertson, Lewis said, "I guess you see why we don't say too much about things until they're done. The only thing I'll say is that neither one of those things had to do with dollars and sense. It had nothing to do with money. ... There are a lot of variables."

[HairOnFire]

Dollars and sense?

Until Robertson's fate has been decided one way or another the Bengals are still in the mix. It's even possible that Robertson might reconsider based upon the other moves the Bengals make in free agency and the draft. (Don't laugh.)

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

You don't trade to move one spot up because if that team really wants that player they will not trade unless you give them something ridiculous which we shouldn't the best thing if you are going to trade would be to trade with Atlanta if Miami takes Ryan, Atlanta signed Turner the burner so they would not really need to stay in that position if Ryan is gone, because they don't have any need for McFadden they could trade with the Bengals and pick up an extra pick and stay close to the top of the draft and the Bengals would be able to get one of the defensive linemen.

If they want the player, they don't do the deal so there's no point. If they're doing "best player available" - as Baltimore often does - then they'd entertain the notion.

It would cost a lot, I'd think, for the Bengals to get to #3.