Spor_tees Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 If Dominic Davis is a free agent he would be worth bringing in for the right price to see if he has healed up and could give Chris Perry/Kenny Watson a run for the third down back position. Davis/Williams has great hands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 If Dominic Davis is a free agent he would be worth bringing in for the right price to see if he has healed up and could give Chris Perry/Kenny Watson a run for the third down back position. Davis/Williams has great hands! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I wouldn't mind seeing Garrett Wolff in the later rounds...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I would trade RJohnson IF we had someone to take his place...IMO RJohnson is average, Is he overrated?? I don't know if he ever was rated, I never hear his name being said amongst the so called " elite" RB's in the league...I wish we had someone with a little more speed and that make you miss ability, well we do but he is always hurt...But RJohnson does what is asked of him and that is to wear down the D, and take care of the ball...Until we have someone who is capable and can prove to stay healthy, I will stick with RJohnson...What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnarfer Posted April 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 To answer your questions, Age 30, I have worked forthe dallas cowboys for the past 4 years. I played football from the time I was 5 until the age of 23. I would guess that your knowledge comes from reading reports and regurgatating others opinions. It you cant see the value we could get for Johnson right now then you are uneducated. Three words: portis for bailey. Runningbacks are a dime a dozen (denver broncos). We are blind to the fact that we have one of the best lines in the NFL, Period. We should have a 1500 yard back every year!!! Rudi is a Homers favorite but the bottom line is we could get great return for him right now. Oakland, Jets, Detroit(trade up) just to name a few. Open your eyes and take off your homer glasses. You should think like a GM and not a fan.You've worked for the Cowboys? In what regard, cold-calling people for season tickets? Working the Miller Light booth on Sundays? Washing Jerry Jones' car?In regards to the three teams you mentioned, Oakland just signed Dominic Rhodes and they already have Lamont Jordan and Justin Fargas, so why would they trade for Rudi? Answer: They wouldn't. That would be stupid.The Jets and Detroit I could possibly see, but again, this isn't Madden…you really need to understand that. You can't just plug a back into a system and hope he succeeds like you said. I'm sure you'll reference the Patriots and Colts of last season, but both of them had established players who handled a great deal of the load. They weren't asked to be the guy straight out.Regarding your Broncos reference, you picked the worst possible team to use as an example. The Broncos do an excellent job with running backs because of their system, but if you recall, they have struggled to find a reliable player ever since they got rid of Portis, and it's hurt them in the long run. Furthermore, the people saying you're an idiot are not wearing rose-colored glasses, nor at they homers, as you so eloquently put it. You want us to think like a GM? Ok, here's my line of thinking: Rudi is 27 years old, he has rushed for 4,221 yards and 36 touchdowns over the past three years. He is the perfect compliment to our "finesse" offense, as he provides us with a powerful back who can get those third and short conversions. And again, I ask you this: If we traded Rudi for a draft pick, who would replace him? Do you honestly think Chris Perry is capable of handling the load? He's played in just 22 of 48 possible games in his short career, because he can not stay healthy. Kenny Watson is little more than a change of pace back for Rudi than anything else, plus he's 29 years old and has never topped 540 yards in a season. Something tells me he's not capable of carrying the load either. The only other back on our roster is Quincy Wilson, and he's best described as a poor-man's Rudi, who has rushed for two yards on two carries in his short NFL career.What then, Mr. "Dallas Cowboy employee"? Should we sign Dominic Williams (formerly Domanick Davis)? What about Corey Dillion, I hear he's available. Stephen Davis? Chris Brown? How about Kevan Barlow, Skip Hicks, or Verron Hayes? Hmm…methinks those guys are not the answer.So we've established that the right player for the Bengals is neither on their roster nor available in free agency. That leaves the draft, and in my humble opinion, there are only two in this draft who could help this season: Adrian Peterson and Marshawn Lynch. Drafting one of them would mean we used our first round pick on a running back when we already had a 27 year old running back who has averaged 1407 yards and 12 touchdowns over the last three seasons. That's a Matt Millen move if I've ever seen one.keep hoping rudi is anything more than an average back at best. Your thoughts are obviously biased to a hometown hero. Fact is anyone that was half way decent was a breath of fresh air from dillon's attitude and distraction. What again was Rudi's long run this season? Oh thats right 22 YARDS!!! That is a humungous red flag. Our line creates big enough holes that can generate longer runs, but the back has to be ABLE to cut back and break a run. I laugh at you and your regurgitated answers of everyother cincinnati homer. Try having an original thought that has some merit behind it. Don't you want to be th best offense in the nfl? That will never happen with a back that has a season where 22 yards is his longest. He does not suit our offense. Period. He will be replaced by next year at the latest. Guaranteed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 keep hoping rudi is anything more than an average back at best. Your thoughts are obviously biased to a hometown hero.We're all such homers to support the two-time single season record holder currently in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 keep hoping rudi is anything more than an average back at best. Your thoughts are obviously biased to a hometown hero.We're all such homers to support the two-time single season record holder currently in place. No kidding, right? I guess averaging 1,400 yards a season over the past three years is nothing, because his longest run last year was a paultry 22 yards and the year before it was just 33. No, he's not a home run threat, but that's why we drafted old One Carry. Unfortunately he hasn't worked out, but it doesn't change the fact that Rudi is a solid back. What the Bengals need is a breakaway threat like Lorenzo Booker or Garrett Wolfe, but the problem with that is, neither of them would have success without a back like Rudi to carry the major load. In fact, I'd argue that there are no backs in this draft other than AD and Lynch who could carry a load for a full season...at least not for 2-3 years. The only one I think could eventually do it is Kenny Irons, and that's only if he gets into the right system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 I don't know if he ever was rated, I never hear his name being said amongst the so called " elite" RB's in the league.Not that it's the gospel truth... but NFL live last pre-season was rating the "elite" RB's, and they came up with 4. Tomlinson, Alexander, Barber, and Rudi. They brought up Larry Johnson, but said he'd only done it for half a year. So, he's been mentioned as a top 5 RB within the last year (and was also labeled the toughest to tackle player in the NFL).Yep - we should get rid of that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Ah, I just don't understand. We fans talk about the need to drill some balls and toughness into this team, yet we want to trade of of the toughest power runners in the league because he doesn't break enough long runs, nevermind all he does in short yardage and on the goal line. Touchdowns are an inflated stat. On a serious note, the ability to consistently fall forward on all runs is rare in the NFL, and Rudi brings that. He, along with TJ, bring some toughness and guts to the offense. Defense isn't the only side of the ball where some guts are necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 Ah, I just don't understand. We fans talk about the need to drill some balls and toughness into this team, yet we want to trade of of the toughest power runners in the league because he doesn't break enough long runs, nevermind all he does in short yardage and on the goal line. Touchdowns are an inflated stat. On a serious note, the ability to consistently fall forward on all runs is rare in the NFL, and Rudi brings that. He, along with TJ, bring some toughness and guts to the offense. Defense isn't the only side of the ball where some guts are necessary.There's no use in arguing it anymore. People are actually dumb enough to believe pixie dust actually exists and a trade and some unicorn will suddenly gallop from the clouds on draft day. I'll take his touchdowns over long runs any day. We have Carson, Chad and Henry for those break-away plays. Well, 2 out of three ain't bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/11 Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 running backs are a dime a dozen...aside from rudi's ability to break tackles, he's nothing special. he isn't a pass catcher; he isn't a very good pass blocker... some of you are big time homers and can't look at our team from outside the box. WE ARE NOT AS GREAT AS YOU THINK WE ARE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted April 10, 2007 Report Share Posted April 10, 2007 You know what, we should cut him! I mean look at all the money he is making, we can save it all, and not spend it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well maybe give Willie Anderson or another offense person more money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schnarfer Posted April 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 running backs are a dime a dozen...aside from rudi's ability to break tackles, he's nothing special. he isn't a pass catcher; he isn't a very good pass blocker... some of you are big time homers and can't look at our team from outside the box. WE ARE NOT AS GREAT AS YOU THINK WE ARE.EXACTLY!! a dime a dozen!! The reality is some GMs in the league would jump at getting Rudi right now. He is not an elite back by any means and if chris perry was healthy Rudi would not even be in cincinnati anymore. My simple fact in starting this thread is this: Rudi is a decent back that has helped this team but a better runner would have put up better number because of our line. Open your mind to speed, speed, speed. That is what we are and what should continue to strive to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 You all realize we play in the AFC North right ?? A power back division ?? So riddle me this... If we trade Rudi (which we won't) who do we get to start in his place ?? Watson ?? NO !!! Perry ?? NO !!! Wilson ?? I like the guy, but NO !!! Ok, that leaves the draft... Who do we draft and hope to fill in Rudi's shoes ?? I'm assuming they would be the new franchise single season rushing record holder after their rookie season as well, so who is this rook ??? While some of the opinions lobbied against Rudi may be true, there is still no one out there currently that will be able to do what he does for this offense. If there is, we won't be gaining their services through a trade of any kind...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7/11 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 You all realize we play in the AFC North right ?? A power back division ?? So riddle me this... If we trade Rudi (which we won't) who do we get to start in his place ?? Watson ?? NO !!! Perry ?? NO !!! Wilson ?? I like the guy, but NO !!! Ok, that leaves the draft... Who do we draft and hope to fill in Rudi's shoes ?? I'm assuming they would be the new franchise single season rushing record holder after their rookie season as well, so who is this rook ??? While some of the opinions lobbied against Rudi may be true, there is still no one out there currently that will be able to do what he does for this offense. If there is, we won't be gaining their services through a trade of any kind...WHODEY !!!to be clear, i am not necessarily advocating trading rudi...obviously for the right price, i would be in favor of it. you're right when you say that we have no back-up plan if we traded rudi. i agree. aside from the draft, and we ain't draftin a RB first round, we would have to get a runner in return if we trade him. while upgrading is an integral part of trading, so is sacrifice. someone mentioned earlier- denver traded portis for bailey. that was a sacrifice...they knew they weren't getting another portis in return, but they sacrificed him to upgrade another part of the team. two years later, everyone has forgotten that portis even played there (i.e. denver barely lost a step). rudi ain't no clinton portis. you don't think that, with our o-line, we could maintain our offensive output without rudi? you're nuts...rudi is our franchise record-holder. okay. whoopty-doo. that has nothing to do with how good of a back rudi is. can you tell me that a healthy chris perry playing exactly in rudi's shoes wouldn't have been the record holder? dillon? you can't say, "oh, dude is our record holder..how can we get rid of him?" having records doesn't make you any more forbidable on the field. as for the AFCN being a power back division. i don't get it. willie parker is not a power back, and he had the best season of any RB in our division last year. are you saying that the AFCN defenses are only suited to stop speed backs, and therefore we need a power back? i don't understand that argument at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalChamps Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 We could trade Rudi if we had a back-up capable of replacing him. BUT WE DONT!What we need is a D Rhodes type of back-up AND use him. Give Rudi less carries. Keep him fresh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 If I see another person say 1400 yard backs are a dime a dozen, my head will explode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 If I see another person say 1400 yard backs are a dime a dozen, my head will explode.Wearing this... ...may prevent this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 still dont have my jersey. Have you tried the kiddies section at Toys R Us? For god's sake someone send him his jersey, preferrably an XXXS so that it restricts the flow of blood to his nethers and thus elimantes the chances of my offspring meeting his offspring on a Bengalzone forum of the future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GapControl Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Rudi would be great trade bait right now for the bengals. Rudi is mediocre. He is not an elite talent. He does not have the ability to break a run. We are more of a finesse team and for as good as our run offense is, we could have been better. Watson is a very capable back and I think would be more beneficial as an every down back than Rudi. I know everyone likes the ground and pound rudi brings, but our line is too good, if we have a back that can recieve and run, it is more suitable for us. Give Rudi up now because next year he will be gone.Um.... Um.... I just have 2 questions. I do want to discuss this with you so please answer. First, is most of your football knowledge gained from watching NFL, College, and/or High School games, or from playing video games? Second, how old are you? Thanks, I will look for your reply.To answer your questions, Age 30, I have worked forthe dallas cowboys for the past 4 years. I played football from the time I was 5 until the age of 23. I would guess that your knowledge comes from reading reports and regurgatating others opinions. It you cant see the value we could get for Johnson right now then you are uneducated. Three words: portis for bailey. Runningbacks are a dime a dozen (denver broncos). We are blind to the fact that we have one of the best lines in the NFL, Period. We should have a 1500 yard back every year!!! Rudi is a Homers favorite but the bottom line is we could get great return for him right now. Oakland, Jets, Detroit(trade up) just to name a few. Open your eyes and take off your homer glasses. You should think like a GM and not a fan.Let us see.... we should trade Rudi Johnson for a draft pick and take an incoming rookie with high top-end speed... You know someone like Kijana Carter was at Penn State.Oh s**t.. wait a minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 The argument being that (for the most part) the AFCN has been a smashmouth division that runs their games pretty much alike. If they build a lead, they will run, run, and run some more. Rudi, The Bus, Jamal Lewis all come to mind. Yes, Parker has a great year, but he combines both speed and the ability to take it between the tackles. I'm not claiming anything (as you seem to be) that C. Perry would or wouldn't have been anything to this offense, as he's never been sh*t and probably won't ever be sh*t. That point is mute. Denver fans forgot Portis was ever a Bronco ?? I think not, they haven't been able to do a whole lot of anything with their running game and placed a ton on the shoulders of their QB's. They haven't had a steady RB since Portis left. While it might have been a good trade for them, it doesn't neccessarily mean getting rid of Rudi would be good for us. Once again I ask... Who is going to replace Rudi if he's traded ?? Seriously. Can you come up with anyone that will give us what he does ?? Keeping in mind the business end of it, instead of just saying something stupid like, "Yeah LT"... Rudi is what we have and what we will keep for the forseeable future. That isn't to say, "He's the best"... I've never said that and never will, but he's more than adequate for what this offense needs. You want Rudi to get better ?? Get a healthy C. Perry on the field at some point during his (so far) sorry a$$ career in the NFL...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfan17 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 I really think that we need to make a trade for another 2nd or a 3rd rounder and the person that i think the bengals should trade is rudi johnson. We averaged 3.7 yards per carry and were 19th in the league last year in the running game even though we have one of the best offensive lines in the league. I dont know how many times watching the bengals that instead of cutting to the open hole where it is wide open, or cutting outside he continually just runs straight and he gets his yards because the offensive line is really good and opening holes. Just imagine if the bengals had a back that could cut and go the distance, this offencse wouldnt have a weakness....but anyways i think they could find a running back that does the same thing rudi does....furthermore for all you people out there that are saying he is our franchise leader in yards for a year, may i remind you even though you dont like it but corey dillon in his prime was 10 times the back rudi is...and he didnt have the luxury of the great offensive line or a good team, playing from behind equals less carries....look at rudi's yards per carry....horrible....get him out of here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjm47 Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Please see earlier "Trade Rudi" thread and assume all responses are now directed your way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Oh, to be a Bengals fan. Stand by for a merge... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTG Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 What the hell? Did Jerry Jones Jr. create another account? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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