Odell Arrested/1 year suspension official

[Kazkal]

He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

half the pro's smoke it huh? Care to substantiate that claim with any type of evidence? Guys we know who smoke it? Odell Thurman, Ricky Williams, Onterrio Smith... oh, and you and Spain... and given the types of posts we get from you and Spain, it makes me that much happier I stay away from the stuff.

Well we know henry was smoking it ala 1st arrest yet he hasen't failed a drug test

probbley reason why odells hanging out withhim figure how he gets by it lol.

Mybe sense whole world has his SSN because of the cops/media he can threaten to sue the state if they dont drop the charges

[TJJackson]

Read his statement in the interview. He had some kind of conflict in his scheduling, and didn't know that if he missed it he would automatically be considered guilty. Call him what you want comy!

I'm sorry, is that intended insult supposed to be the shortened version of "communist"? It is typically spelled "commie". Just FYI.

I have re-read that interview a few times over. It's a lie. That's clear to any reasonable/rational person who reads the interview, notes that Odell says he wants to clean up his act, an then notes what happened sunday night. I suspected it to be a lie when I read it, and I know it to be a lie now.

I call him disingenuous, at best.

Yeah i'd agree with that, I would say that he was uninformed too!

Actually, all players are extensively informed about the drug policy. They cover it extensively at the rookie symposium, which Odell attended last year. It's also available online (http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/DrugPolicy.aspx), and I would bet good money that they each receive their own printed copy.

After one failed test, you are advised by the league that you are now in Stage 1. Odell was so advised, and it's meaning explained to him. Go read the rules on the provided link to get the definition for yourself of what Stage 1 is. Stage 1 also carries with it an increased frequency of regular substance testing. So Odell knew all this, and STILL failed to appear for his test.

Aside from the wide availability of this info, I hope and pray (althought given some of your previous responses, this may not be a gimme) that you are not going to argue that Odell was unaware that taking drugs is (to reduce this to a level you and he can understand) a big no-no both in society and in the NFL.

Bottom line, though, is that the rules are the rules regardless of whether Odell was aware of them. Hopefully, his new team in 2007 will assign him a personal babysitter to ensure he stays clean and sober for the duration of any contract they sign him to.

[agreen_112]

Read his statement in the interview. He had some kind of conflict in his scheduling, and didn't know that if he missed it he would automatically be considered guilty. Call him what you want comy!

I'm sorry, is that intended insult supposed to be the shortened version of "communist"? It is typically spelled "commie". Just FYI.

I have re-read that interview a few times over. It's a lie. That's clear to any reasonable/rational person who reads the interview, notes that Odell says he wants to clean up his act, an then notes what happened sunday night. I suspected it to be a lie when I read it, and I know it to be a lie now.

I call him disingenuous, at best.

Yeah i'd agree with that, I would say that he was uninformed too!

Actually, all players are extensively informed about the drug policy. They cover it extensively at the rookie symposium, which Odell attended last year. It's also available online (http://www.nflpa.org/RulesAndRegs/DrugPolicy.aspx), and I would bet good money that they each receive their own printed copy.

After one failed test, you are advised by the league that you are now in Stage 1. Odell was so advised, and it's meaning explained to him. Go read the rules on the provided link to get the definition for yourself of what Stage 1 is. Stage 1 also carries with it an increased frequency of regular substance testing. So Odell knew all this, and STILL failed to appear for his test.

Aside from the wide availability of this info, I hope and pray (althought given some of your previous responses, this may not be a gimme) that you are not going to argue that Odell was unaware that taking drugs is (to reduce this to a level you and he can understand) a big no-no both in society and in the NFL.

Bottom line, though, is that the rules are the rules regardless of whether Odell was aware of them. Hopefully, his new team in 2007 will assign him a personal babysitter to ensure he stays clean and sober for the duration of any contract they sign him to.

rules are the rules you said it brother, and it states clearly that a player won't be suspended for a year until they are in stage 3! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh read it yourself, page 19 under discipline.

He may not play oct. 15th but he'll be back soon.

He tested positive for marijuana too, which isn't a big secret that half of the pro's smoke it. s**t I've smoked it this summer with SOMEONE THAT PLAYS on the REDS RIGHT NOW! Over 85% of the NBA's players smoke weed. It's nothing!

half the pro's smoke it huh? Care to substantiate that claim with any type of evidence? Guys we know who smoke it? Odell Thurman, Ricky Williams, Onterrio Smith... oh, and you and Spain... and given the types of posts we get from you and Spain, it makes me that much happier I stay away from the stuff.

Well we know henry was smoking it ala 1st arrest yet he hasen't failed a drug test

probbley reason why odells hanging out withhim figure how he gets by it lol.

Mybe sense whole world has his SSN because of the cops/media he can threaten to sue the state if they dont drop the charges

who's social? I must've missed this...

[TJJackson]

...and have you read the entire document?

...and did you listen to Marvin describe the expected outcome?

[agreen_112]

YEs and ummmm YEs... It's very clear that a player won't be suspended until he is in the 3rd stage. Odell is actually in the 2nd stage according to cincinnatibengals.com. If this is considered a violation then he will most likely be moved up to the 3rd stage, but like I said its clearl that the player will not be suspended for 1 calender year until they violate the policy while in stage 3.

Marvin shouldn't jump to conclusions like that. If they suspend him for 1 year, I smell a law-suit against the NFL.

[BengalszoneBilly]

YEs and ummmm YEs... It's very clear that a player won't be suspended until he is in the 3rd stage. Odell is actually in the 2nd stage according to cincinnatibengals.com. If this is considered a violation then he will most likely be moved up to the 3rd stage, but like I said its clearl that the player will not be suspended for 1 calender year until they violate the policy while in stage 3.

...and out of the cloud of "Doom and Gloom" comes a voice of light and hope! All I got to say agreen is I really hope your facts are right.

If so we may see Mr. Thurman back in uniform far quicker than many around here would seem to like!

[derekshank]

YEs and ummmm YEs... It's very clear that a player won't be suspended until he is in the 3rd stage. Odell is actually in the 2nd stage according to cincinnatibengals.com. If this is considered a violation then he will most likely be moved up to the 3rd stage, but like I said its clearl that the player will not be suspended for 1 calender year until they violate the policy while in stage 3.

Marvin shouldn't jump to conclusions like that. If they suspend him for 1 year, I smell a law-suit against the NFL.

I think you are simply misunderstanding the wording here. Onterrio Smith was suspended for a year in his first violation after his 4-game suspension. Same with Ricky Williams. Most likely the same with Odell Thurman. A violation after he was already suspended for 4 games will most likely result in a year long suspension... just like the other guys. It's not much of a jump in logic to assume that the precedent is completely against Odell at this point.

I'm not sure exactly why you are arguing so strongly against this right now. Even if you are right there is no need to sarcastically make enemies. Also, the more volatile you come across, the less credibility you will have if proven wrong (i.e. note Spain's certainty regarding LeVar Arrington).

The point is... everyone, including Marvin Lewis, the media, and past precedent, indicate believe that this will most likely end in year-long suspension. We have no reason to believe you ability to read the contractual language in the CBA, when everyone else (especially those pais to understand it) disagree with you.

[agreen_112]

YEs and ummmm YEs... It's very clear that a player won't be suspended until he is in the 3rd stage. Odell is actually in the 2nd stage according to cincinnatibengals.com. If this is considered a violation then he will most likely be moved up to the 3rd stage, but like I said its clearl that the player will not be suspended for 1 calender year until they violate the policy while in stage 3.

...and out of the cloud of "Doom and Gloom" comes a voice of light and hope! All I got to say agreen is I really hope your facts are right.

If so we may see Mr. Thurman back in uniform far quicker than many around here would seem to like!

Here's the thing though, that document seems to be a bit outdated. Hopefully it hasn't changed from 2005 to 2006. I would imagine that the substance abuse policy hasn't changed, although it does mention something about the CBA of 1993, which we all know has changed this year. But according to that document, which is the latest policy posted on the nflpa website, Odell might be looking at another 4 or 6 game suspension (b/c this might, if convicted guilty, be the 2nd violation while in stage 2) plus the upgrade to stage 3 where he'll be for the rest of his career. Once again though, He first has to be convicted as being guilty before anything can happen.

You all know that the legal system is a bunch of crap (Simpson's guilty). In my perfect little world, Odell will be back Oct. 15 against the Bucs, catch a court date for the Dui early next year, maybe February or March and if guily then face a 4-6 game suspension next year. What He did was wrong, but doesn't deserve a years suspension without pay or the treatment that he's been facing in the community.

and hey derek.... Ricky's a pothead that refused to quit smoking weed, which is considered an illegal substance. I don't see how alcohol can lead to a years suspension???

Come to think of it Ricky was already in stage 3 when he got suspended for 1 year.

[BengalByTheBay]

I'm not sure exactly why you are arguing so strongly against this right now. Even if you are right there is no need to sarcastically make enemies. Also, the more volatile you come across, the less credibility you will have if proven wrong (i.e. note Spain's certainty regarding LeVar Arrington).

This has been going on for two days now and I think the two camps are basically going to have to agree to disagree until we know what's going to happen. It seems pretty plain to me that after a 4 game suspension, another violation results in a year suspension. I actually hope I'm wrong about that, but I don't believe so.

So, on the one hand there is the issue of what the league is going to do. On the other hand is the issue of what the team is going to do. By all indications, OT isn't playing any time soon. That's my belief. I could be wrong, but there is also no reason to think that he'll be suiting up in October. Either way, though, this thing is pretty much talked out until something official comes out. And I'll just repeat, this isn't about Bengal fans hating Odell. Every one of us would have loved to see the 4-game suspension end and have him back on the field. So, don't keep suggesting that everybody hates him and is against him -- that's just not the case. We're just stating what we think is gonna happen. It's just as valid, or maybe moreso, than your belief that he'll be playing in a few weeks.

[Kazkal]

YEs and ummmm YEs... It's very clear that a player won't be suspended until he is in the 3rd stage. Odell is actually in the 2nd stage according to cincinnatibengals.com. If this is considered a violation then he will most likely be moved up to the 3rd stage, but like I said its clearl that the player will not be suspended for 1 calender year until they violate the policy while in stage 3.

...and out of the cloud of "Doom and Gloom" comes a voice of light and hope! All I got to say agreen is I really hope your facts are right.

If so we may see Mr. Thurman back in uniform far quicker than many around here would seem to like!

<3 <3 <3

[agreen_112]

I'm not sure exactly why you are arguing so strongly against this right now. Even if you are right there is no need to sarcastically make enemies. Also, the more volatile you come across, the less credibility you will have if proven wrong (i.e. note Spain's certainty regarding LeVar Arrington).

This has been going on for two days now and I think the two camps are basically going to have to agree to disagree until we know what's going to happen. It seems pretty plain to me that after a 4 game suspension, another violation results in a year suspension. I actually hope I'm wrong about that, but I don't believe so.

So, on the one hand there is the issue of what the league is going to do. On the other hand is the issue of what the team is going to do. By all indications, OT isn't playing any time soon. That's my belief. I could be wrong, but there is also no reason to think that he'll be suiting up in October. Either way, though, this thing is pretty much talked out until something official comes out. And I'll just repeat, this isn't about Bengal fans hating Odell. Every one of us would have loved to see the 4-game suspension end and have him back on the field. So, don't keep suggesting that everybody hates him and is against him -- that's just not the case. We're just stating what we think is gonna happen. It's just as valid, or maybe moreso, than your belief that he'll be playing in a few weeks.

This'll be my last post for the day guys (it's 4:30) and I'm off to the real world now, but bay there has been a lot of negativity on this thread and others about Odell. "O-dumb", "dumbass", and a bunch of other foolish crap. So don't tell me that everyone loves odell, one mistake and people are turning on him. He's still part of this football team and you guys should stand by him just like Marv stated he would do.

Those guys that were suspended for 1 year repetedly failed drug tests, so you can't compare odell to them. Yeah, he failed the breathalizer, but there are certain procedures to follow in the nfl's policy and the legal sysytem, He's not guilty yet, let's wait and see. Once he's kicked off the team and gone like some of you have stated should or is going to happen then lets start to hate on him, b/c he'll be playing for another team!

[BengalByTheBay]

This'll be my last post for the day guys (it's 4:30) and I'm off to the real world now, but bay there has been a lot of negativity on this thread and others about Odell. "O-dumb", "dumbass", and a bunch of other foolish crap. So don't tell me that everyone loves odell, one mistake and people are turning on him. He's still part of this football team and you guys should stand by him just like Marv stated he would do.

Those guys that were suspended for 1 year repetedly failed drug tests, so you can't compare odell to them. Yeah, he failed the breathalizer, but there are certain procedures to follow in the nfl's policy and the legal sysytem, He's not guilty yet, let's wait and see. Once he's kicked off the team and gone like some of you have stated should or is going to happen then lets start to hate on him, b/c he'll be playing for another team!

1. If it was one mistake, we wouldn't be having this conversation. 2. People calling him names is probably mostly due to frustration -- see (1) above. (Also, please feel free to ignore Tibor - he's a crappy old doctorb.) 3. If he blew .17, he's going to have to plea bargain it, which (based only on my rudimentary understanding of these things) will count as a substance abuse pop. 4. You may be right that all this happens in a few months or during the offseason. That's totally possible - maybe even probable. 5. I have no idea if he'll be dropped by the Bengals, it's just my read of the tea leaves. 6. Yes, we're all Bengals fans, but that doesn't mean we have to ignore the dumb stuff that he, or any other Bengal, does.

There's a big difference between other fans getting pissed at Odell and you getting pissed at other fans. I'm reacting to the name calling and pretty much just think we should kick it until something happens. You're obviously invested in this, as we all are to some extent. But don't take it out on your fellow fans -- you may need somebody to high 5 with after we kick some Patriot ass on Sunday.

[Storm]

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../309250031/1066

anyone catch a huge mistake made on video?

Odel gives his social security number out for the world to hear

[Kazkal]

Some people say that i’m a bad guy..

They may be right, they may be right.

But it’s not as if I don’t try..

I just ###### up, try as I might

But I can change, I can change!

I can learn to keep my promises, I swear it!

I’ll open up my heart and I will share it..

Any minute now I will be born again!

Yes I can change, I can change!

I know i’ve been a dirty little #######

I like to kill! I like to maim! Yes, I’m insane!

But it’s okay, ‘COS I CAN CHANGE!!

It’s not my fault that i’m so evil..

It’s society, society.

You see my parents were sometimes abusive..

And it made, a ##### of me.

But I can change, I can change!

Lewis: But what if you never change? What if you remain a sandy little butthole?

Hey Marvin! Don’t be such a twit

Paul Tagliabue won’t have ###### on me!

Here I am, just watch me change..

Here you go, i’m changing!

Odel gives his social security number out for the world to hear

Odell diden't F up the police did by releasing the video with out beeping out his SSN,what is odell suppossed do? I'm sorry sir you can't have my SSN because your recording this?

[Spain]

Live and let live, PS Im stoned! How the hell die I get brought up in this?

[agreen_112]

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art.../309250031/1066

anyone catch a huge mistake made on video?

Odel gives his social security number out for the world to hear

something's going on b/c they yanked the link so the station must know there's some trouble with them playing that tape.

[TJJackson]

By the way, to all of you in denial - Hobson (who is generally loathe to give any negative info about the organization who pays his paycheck, and who has also admitted to being a big fan of Odell) - came right out and said what I explained multiple times earlier in this thread PRIOR TO Marvin's presss conference - that Marvin no longer wants Odell here.

You can argue that Odell remains under contract. I grant you that.

You can argue that Odell hasn't been cut or traded. I grant you that.

You may even point out to me at the end of this season that Odell is STILL under contract. I'll agree in advance that I think this is LIKELY.

The difference is: Marvin does not have to play him, and Marvin won't. The CBA and the salary cap both tie his hands a bit in terms of when he can officially cut him loose.....were those two restraints not in place, Odell would already be off the team or openly placed on the trade block.

Again - Odell was outstanding on the field in 2005, and I was THRILLED we had found an outstanding defender. I wish he was in that role now, but I can't change what happened, and I can't deny that Marvin has given up on him.

[agreen_112]

By the way, to all of you in denial - Hobson (who is generally loathe to give any negative info about the organization who pays his paycheck, and who has also admitted to being a big fan of Odell) - came right out and said what I explained multiple times earlier in this thread PRIOR TO Marvin's presss conference - that Marvin no longer wants Odell here.

You can argue that Odell remains under contract. I grant you that.

You can argue that Odell hasn't been cut or traded. I grant you that.

You may even point out to me at the end of this season that Odell is STILL under contract. I'll agree in advance that I think this is LIKELY.

The difference is: Marvin does not have to play him, and Marvin won't. The CBA and the salary cap both tie his hands a bit in terms of when he can officially cut him loose.....were those two restraints not in place, Odell would already be off the team or openly placed on the trade block.

Again - Odell was outstanding on the field in 2005, and I was THRILLED we had found an outstanding defender. I wish he was in that role now, but I can't change what happened, and I can't deny that Marvin has given up on him.

Hobson, . Nuff said!

[TJJackson]

*shrug* Enjoy your denial.

[TJJackson]

Please change the subtitle of this thread to ODELL GONE FOR THE YEAR

Its official

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5535

Those in denial, ala

He'll play oct 15, definitely won't start, but he'll be out there!

See ya on the field soon O-dawg.

no need to acknowlege this development. For you, he will still be on the field in a couple of weeks, as his usual tackling and interception machine self.

[Stripes]

Enter, Ahmad Brooks.

[membengal]

Please change the subtitle of this thread to ODELL GONE FOR THE YEAR

Its official

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5535

Those in denial - no need to acknowlege this development. For you, he will still be on the field in a couple of weeks, as his usual tackling and interception machine self.

agreen, in case you were wondering, tj is talking to you...

[ShulaSteakhouse]

lol @ Mem. We'll still have trouble convincing people he won't be back this year.

Andre Frazier is an interesting desperation pick-up, was a player for UC whom I liked. ST's addition though only.

LB position getting VERY weak w/no Pollack or Thurman the rest of this year, and Rucker gone for 3-4 sets, and AJ still out last I heard.

I still think AJ can make a more immediate contribution than Brooks - won't happen right away - but Brooks has been a disappointment.

The Bengals' have more long term injuries than any team I've ever seen in my life - they really need to change the way they do some things - no team's players get injured this often and in such abundance - predominately it happens in practice too.

[agreen_112]

There it is, I was wrong. I apologize for any negative comments that I may have said in this heated debate. I will continue to push for Odell to be reinstated next year. This is a sad day for the Bengals. O-Dawg, you burned yourself, hopefully you can sue someone (for the SSN leak)and file some type of appeal. Thanks a lot you fatass piece of s**t, S.o.b.'in pig. Dirty rotten motherf**ker!

[BengalszoneBilly]

Please change the subtitle of this thread to ODELL GONE FOR THE YEAR

Its official

http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5535

Those in denial, ala

Damn T.J. You almost sound happy about this. You can't be bro...