Kazkal Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 http://www.nfl.com/statsWhere we have the leading sacker in the nfl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 ...or that we have 2 of the top 5 leading sackers....or that the league leading sacker is Justin "Bustin" Smith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlainThePain Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Merriman is going to have a monster year in that division. I bet he gets four or five sacks just from the games against the Chiefs this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 ...or that we have 2 of the top 5 leading sackers....or that the league leading sacker is Justin "Bustin" Smith. Hey this year he has the chance live up to his 4th overall selection if we actually have a Dline this year rather then DE and 3 crappy guys... peppers has a great line ,hayward (who only had 8 sacks last year but still great DE) has great line around him...good DE's have other good players on the line to help them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Hayward's actually out for the year with an achille's tendon tear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I know I read it as stiller fans were cheering,I was talking about previous years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I think our most telling defensive stat is more or less the same as last year: rushing yards allowed per attempt: 4.5http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-...&_1:col_1=6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I disagree =P sense the only reason it's higher then 4.0 is QB's,Holding larry johnson to 0 scores and less then 70 yards is great for our defense after last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesperateDerelict Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I disagree =P sense the only reason it's higher then 4.0 is QB's,Holding larry johnson to 0 scores and less then 70 yards is great for our defense after last year.Not to get ahead of ourselves, but . . . . don't we play Atlanta this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 We're getting into the whole YPC again? Guys... learn to read a stat sheet. YPC is way over-rated. If the Chiefs were consitently getting 4.5 yards/carry, they would scored a TD on every drive. They would have run LJ down our throats the entire game... but no. Because when they were running the ball, they were going 3-and-out. 5 times to be exact.Look... the Bears defense gave up 4.5 Yards/carry to GB too. Did they have a bad day defensively? What? The first shut out in Favre's career? Hmm... maybe YPC isn't an important stat.YPC always tends to be higher when you run the ball less, because the defense is set for passing downs. LJ only had 17 rushes. Rudi had 29. The effective running game continues to run the ball, while the one that can't get anything going has to move away from it. Only 1/3 of their 1st downs came on the run... and most of those were QB scrambles. The best judge for a good run defense is number of rushes... because a team will stop running the ball if they know they aren't getting anywhere.Our run defense was stellar yesterday. Plain and simple. Don't even bother looking at YPC... because it's deceiving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinneymulleT Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Bend don't break and allow them to commit errors! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoTbOy Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I hope that JSmith's name stays somewhere near the top of that list all year...that 4.5 is hard to ignore, it seems as though the Chiefs were very effective running the ball until they got behind...the no-huddle/hurry up really did catch them off guard, and then the TGreen hit, you know the team is not the same after something like that(Bengals fans know)...I don't think that Cleveland will have much of a running game to deal with, so we will see with Pitt in wk 3...Atlanta played Carolina with no SSmith, so that has to have had some outcome on how the game was played, say if SSmith played and Carolina has the lead they can come get MVick, but they were playing from behind all game so they had to defend MVick different than they did last year...basically I'm saying that we play Atlanta at PBS and I'm not as afraid on MVick on grass as I am turf and we beat them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Bend don't break and allow them to commit errors!It's not even bend but don't break. That was the philosophy last year. We relied on the turnovers as our only means of stopping an offense.Against the Chiefs, when they tried to run the ball, they had to punt. It's as simple as that. That's not bending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I wouldn't pay much attention to stats at this point. Let's see 3, 4, 5 games' worth of numbers and then maybe we can see some trends. But in the end even that is just for amusement purposes only. Only stat that counts is the scoreboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Airborne Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I wouldn't pay much attention to stats at this point. Let's see 3, 4, 5 games' worth of numbers and then maybe we can see some trends. But in the end even that is just for amusement purposes only. Only stat that counts is the scoreboard.I have to disagree a little with you here. Winning games is great but it is often a strong defense that wins championships. If we can run up a score, we can win games, but that will only take us so far. If the scoreboard says Bengals 35 TeamX 31, we have a problem we need to fix. If we allow TeamX to run up 200 yards on the ground in a game, but get a few lucky turn overs that keep them from scoring, that does not mean we don't have a problem. (Just using these as examples mind you.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 4.5 is not bad against Larry (5.2 YPC in 2005) Johnson. Good running backs get yards no matter who is blocking for them and Johnson is a great running back. We will see what Droughns and Parker do against us in the next two games that will be a better litmus test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 I wouldn't pay much attention to stats at this point. Let's see 3, 4, 5 games' worth of numbers and then maybe we can see some trends. But in the end even that is just for amusement purposes only. Only stat that counts is the scoreboard.I have to disagree a little with you here. Winning games is great but it is often a strong defense that wins championships. If we can run up a score, we can win games, but that will only take us so far. If the scoreboard says Bengals 35 TeamX 31, we have a problem we need to fix. If we allow TeamX to run up 200 yards on the ground in a game, but get a few lucky turn overs that keep them from scoring, that does not mean we don't have a problem.Maybe...but that isn't my point. Which is simply that one game doesn't give us enough to judge by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Not much defense in Pats vs Panthers or Pats vs Eagles seemed like offenses were just as importent also rams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101Airborne Posted September 11, 2006 Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 Maybe...but that isn't my point. Which is simply that one game doesn't give us enough to judge by.And in that I would wholeheartedly agree with you, along with your contention that ypc is not an important stat in certain circumstances. Certainly our defense did a wonderful job and the YPC was skewed by the QB scramble. My comments were only directed to your idea that the points on the scoreboard are the only stat that matters. Outside of that comment, I agree with everything you said.To Kazkal: There are exceptions of course, but relying on exceptions is not good policy. Offense is just as important as defense and that is my point; we have to be solid on both sides of the ball in order to really be confident. I'm the last person you'll find complaining about the performance of the Bengals, mind you, I'm simply speaking in generalities. This year, we may finally have all the pieces in place to take a real shot at the Super Bowl, but as Hoosier pointed out, only time will tell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 11, 2006 i want both sides to be great almost all teams who do make it to superbowl have top 10-12 defenses Just saying offenses wins championships too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Guys, I'm always one of the optimists around here, and I do remain very optimistic about the direction we're going on defense. If I said that I was completely satisfied with yesterday's run defense, however, I'd be a liar. Larry Johnson was inconsistent behind a terrible line, but still busted off some big first down runs. We have to be more consistent on defense. The defensive line was amazing, but the linebackers didn't have all as great a game as it appears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldcat Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 17 carries for LJ for 68 yards is 4 yards per carry. Trent Green's 21 yards cost them 2 games of his services. Nice trade, KC.Deducting the 18 yard gainer meant he had 16 carries for 50 yards. 3.125 yards. And this is to what is one of the best backs in the league.After the first series, LJ got about zip on the ground in 2 out of 3 carries. This meant that he couldnt be relied on. So they had to pass, which resulted in INTs, Sacks, Fumbles....I was a little disgusted with the Fantasy Football Stat drive the Chefs ran in the fourth quarter, but since they were killing the clock better than Rudi was it had no effect on the game. I guess they can be all proud about dinking it down the field against the prevent. Kinda dumb to leave it to the fourth quarter...The Bengals D owned the game from the 2nd quarter on. You can niggle on the details of what might have been better, but if the Bengals D can hold everyone to three points for three and a half quarters, we are going to win a few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Giving up 4.0 ain't that bad imo, the importent thing was when we stuffed Lj at the line if I'm not mistaken it was quite a few times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadraftnick Posted September 12, 2006 Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Before anyone gets too excited,these numbers came against two 2nd string tackles.I do think woth Sam Adams,Peko,Shuan Smith,and Thornton as this years DT's you could see a few more sacks than we are used to ,just not much more than we are used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 12, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2006 Look at justins stats last year vs the texans ,it was 1 game vs a crappy Oline but our defensive line man handled em so mybe they won't do as good vs the colts but aslong as they are solid thats all I care about...If they play solid vs top tier Olines i'll be happy cause thats what happens vs good Olines /cough our oline shutting down all those sack masters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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