Steinbach Extension/Willie Speaks/O-line

[turningpoint]

How much do you want to bet we don't draft a OT 1st day?

All of my zone dollars

I don't have that many, the roullette table stole mine. I was up 2000 and then i quite palying and they dissapeared.

[Whur CHad At?]

How much do you want to bet we don't draft a OT 1st day?

All of my zone dollars

I don't have that many, the roullette table stole mine. I was up 2000 and then i quite palying and they dissapeared.

maybe you need to get better at it then

[turningpoint]

How much do you want to bet we don't draft a OT 1st day?

All of my zone dollars

I don't have that many, the roullette table stole mine. I was up 2000 and then i quite palying and they dissapeared.

maybe you need to get better at it then

Well i was winning, I went to cash out and it never gave me them, gltich I guess.

anyways bakc on subject.

I'll bet 1000 zone dollars the bengals don;t draft an OT round's 1 2 or 3.

[Ox]

How much do you want to bet we don't draft a OT 1st day?

All of my zone dollars

Famous last words, my friend. Famous last words. Just ask Spain.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

You're not going to replace Willie or Levi adequately anywhere but in the 1st or high 2nd rounds.

Again, this is why I love 1st round 0-lineman - you don't get 10 year types in mid-rounds with Paul Alexander - dude can't develop anybody and never has here.

[Whur CHad At?]

What SHula said.

[BengalByTheBay]

bye-bye, Levi?

hello, first rounder Eric Winston?

First, we still have money and tags that can be used on Levi and if we go offensive line in the 1st, I may hurt someone !!!

WHODEY !!!

Any competent 1st round LT could be just as good as Levi, probably better, their rookie year.

So who plays center next year? Braham isn't signed, and if anyone here thinks Guichiac is starting NFL center material, they're clueless!! (he's junk)

I'll take an o-lineman in the 1st round every year! Without the big uglies upfront, this team is nothing.

Shula, are you having a bad day ?? Fall off a ladder and hit your head ?? Dude, Levi had a stellar season shutting down the pass rush from his side... SHUT DOWN !!! Did you happen to see who he went up against week in and week out ?? Studs, all of them and not one got to Carson !!! Ok, so you're not sold on Guycheck, but to say he's junk is way off as well... Did you watch the game he started against the Jags ?? He went up against quite possibly the best DT tandem in the NFL and did more than hold his own !!! Yes, you can always use o-line help and depth, but to say in the 1st round EVERY year ?? What are we Detroit ??

I for one love what we have done to improve our defense, but lets be real for a minute and take a look at both Jackson and Big Sam. Both are what ?? 33 years old this year ?? Neither one are long term solutions and I have to think that both positions are still going to be addressed in the draft. The d-line and DB's are where they should focus in my opinion !!!

WHODEY !!!

Dead on AB! Left Tackles don't fall out of thin air. Levi is good -- really good. Everybody likes their "prospects" this time of year, but LJ has performed at this level and is getting better. A high draft pick guarantees nothing. LJ also has played with injuries and I disagree that he's hurt often -- only a couple of minor injuries and missed starts in his career. As for Guichiac -- whatever you say man?? He has one start in a very difficult situation and plays a very stout game and he's "junk". Wow, don't see that at all. I think he's our center of the future and that Wilkerson provides a pretty nice potential alternative. All in all, I think we're far deeper at center than most teams right now.

[TJJackson]

You're not going to replace Willie or Levi adequately anywhere but in the 1st or high 2nd rounds.

Again, this is why I love 1st round 0-lineman - you don't get 10 year types in mid-rounds with Paul Alexander - dude can't develop anybody and never has here.

uh....Kooistra?

Frequently praised last year as having come in for Willie when he was hurt and there being little to no drop of in the play of the line

7th rounder, right?

[lando griffin]

How much do you want to bet we don't draft a OT 1st day?

All of my zone dollars

I don't have that many, the roullette table stole mine. I was up 2000 and then i quite palying and they dissapeared.

maybe you need to get better at it then

Well i was winning, I went to cash out and it never gave me them, gltich I guess.

anyways bakc on subject.

I'll bet 1000 zone dollars the bengals don;t draft an OT round's 1 2 or 3.

Yo man, in classic video poker you can win millions even with a 99% deduction....sorry to let the secret out...and yes, I win millions everytime after the deduction but they only give me a couple hundred thousand...i dont know why....so, i'll bet someone 300,000 zone dollars we don't take a tackle in the first two rounds....and by the way schula, ghiaciuc isn't garbage, and if he was, you wouldn't be able to tell yet. As for us picking Mangold, what a joke...by the time this season is over Ghiaciuc or Wilkerson will be ready to step in...why waste a pick on him?

[kingwilly]

Shula...BLASPHEMER!....Levi Jones is a whisker from AllPro elite status...you need some air...pretty soon you'll start baggin on Palmer.

The draft is Saturday....hold on just a bit longer...it is almost Christmas in April....

[Stripes]

If Lance is correct, then it looks like Levi may be headed for the tag next year.

By the way, he's a top five tackle in this league.

[BigBenBlows]

We need to get him signed. He is a damn good player and he did shut Freeney down. If we keep this team intact we could do BIG things.

[HoosierCat]

If Lance is correct, then it looks like Levi may be headed for the tag next year.

By the way, he's a top five tackle in this league.

Yup and yup. Extending Steiney would be a nice way to ice the offseason. Hope it's true. And yes, IMHO this would pretty much mean we can nix o-line in round 1, and likely day 1. At least.

[schweinhart]

Nix O-Line for the whole draft regardless.

But extending Steinbach probably should be the priority over Levi because Steinbach is the backup left tackle and the emergency center. Hope it's true.

[HoTbOy]

If the Steinbach thing is true that is GREAT news, but as for signing him over LJones I would have signed LJones 1st...but if ESteinbach signs i will take that....Shula grabbing a OLman in the 1st round is not a lock, look at MWilliams for B-lo, he was the 4th pick and a bust...LJones did a very good job this year, you are right about health issues, but he was healthy this season and IMO should have been in the Pro Bowl...I hope that they don't select an OLman in the 1st...

[GregCook]

Considering that Carson is the 100 MILLION dollar man and has gimpy knees, the Bengals will do whatever it takes to have the finest offensive line in football. That means they will sign Levi, a guy knocking on the Pro Bowl for 2006. Steinbach is young and pretty good, Kimo not withstanding. They will most likely sign him. Willie I don't know because of age and the talent of Stacy Andrews. Palmer needs the best protection money can buy and the Bengals will spend big bucks to make sure they have the best.

[Kazkal]

I want Steinbach more than Levi (because Levi will be severely over-paid and is overrated and too often banged up/injured).

Lance's insider lists Donte Whitner and Jason Allen at the top of his list - please God what do they see in a prospect with a degenerative hip who can't stay healthy? I don't get it.

I do love Whitner though, and the fact he can play CB or S in the NFL.

Just a big risk with Allen - best upside DB potential in the draft possibly -but a 1st round pick on a guy with that kind of ? mark, wow.

I notice Mangold was curiously left off their list?

Hmmm.....

Your just full of alot of hate arent you?

bye-bye, Levi?

hello, first rounder Eric Winston?

Ya rather then keep top 5 LT draft another just draft a guy in the 1st round rather then getting a real need

bye-bye, Levi?

Any competent 1st round LT could be just as good as Levi, probably better, their rookie year.

So who plays center next year? Braham isn't signed, and if anyone here thinks Guichiac is starting NFL center material, they're clueless!! (he's junk)

I'll take an o-lineman in the 1st round every year! Without the big uglies upfront, this team is nothing.

Wow and I thought spain was crazy,did you dip in too his stash?

SInce when was Lance right about anything?

And We will go OT 1st round

really don't want pope and ko do you?

If we draft a OT, they will replace Willie likely not Levi...come on guys

why waste a 1st when theres a willie clone who will be available in 2nd/3rd ryan something oranother

[KiLBurn]

The reason that it is better to extend Steinbach first is because it makes more sense, financially, to franchise your left tackle, as opposed to a guard. If you have to franchise a guard, it is like having to pay for 3 tackles instead of 2.

[Spain]

How about Bach mught be the best player on this team by position. Levi is good but Bach has more upside. the guys a freakin beast.

[kayaker0678]

we will draft the best o lineman no matter what postion. then we will tell him what to play. be it tackle gaurd or center

[ArmyBengal]

And our defense will suffer yet another year and will miss the playoffs due to our difficult schedule !!!

WHODEY !!!

[GapControl]

As far as Steinbach goes, I am trying to look ahead into next year`s salary cap for room to use either the FT tag on Levi or he and a combination cash extension. I am thinking that a couple replacement TEs will be taken in the draft and Stewart/Kelly can be dropped to free up room. This occuring pre-2007 season. Not this year. Who else could be dropped? Maybe Simmons/Thornton... I am not a cap person but I suppose my point is that I am not worried that Levi or Steinbach are going to be lost because the turnover should allow for their eventual deal. Willie can be coaxed into a final deal to finish his career after we make a deep playoff run this year. I just don`t worry too much about this now. The new Bengals regime seems to value the O-line highly but are trying to piece together a D-Line. Pollack is a tweener and the best player (other than Adams) was pre-Lewis/Katie Blackburn.　Adams is a gift from God, in my opinion.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

you don't get 10 year types in mid-rounds with Paul Alexander - dude can't develop anybody and never has here.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

He hadn't developed any later round guys in the past because we had crappy drafts. He has done a great job developing Kooistra, and I suspect Keift and our centers will work out well too.

[walshfan]

you don't get 10 year types in mid-rounds with Paul Alexander - dude can't develop anybody and never has here.

WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG!

He hadn't developed any later round guys in the past because we had crappy drafts. He has done a great job developing Kooistra, and I suspect Keift and our centers will work out well too.

suspect is the proper term for Koos and Kieft .

[TJJackson]

It's my opinion that Mike Goff didn't get all of his development in San Diego...that some of the credit should go to his coaching here in Cincinnati.

It isn't like he forgot everything he learned in Cincinnati and started over in SD....he developed there, just as he developed here.

So to my mind....thats two - Goff and Kooistra. Don't know yet about Leyva or Lougheed yet, tho they seem to like them well enough to keep them around. The others need another year or more to eval....the one of greatest interest to me and to this subject is the one with the least experience.....Stacey "King Kong" Andrews. He came in with like 60 college game snaps to his name. If he can be developed, this should set aside some doubts about our OL line coach.