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I assume Chase wants to beat JJ deal. How do the Bengals beat or match a JJ deal a year earlier than JJ without Chase producing a season that beats a JJ top season? Have no idea if Chase is willing to take a medium deal to give him more security or if its all or nothing. If its all or nothing then I guess he's either playing on a current contract or holding out as long as he can. Its a tough thing to ask for that type of contract a year earlier than JJ got it and not even have beaten his best year. Assuming of course that's what is being asked. Justin Jefferson played 4 years with 2 of them being over 1,600 yards. Chase has had 1 season over 1,400.

Supposedly Chase flew with the team to Chicago. So? The world might not be ending.

I'll probably always be in the camp of first preference of paying Chase and Higgins through Burrow's 2nd deal. I expect/hope Burrow to be good enough to basically play through a 3rd deal. The Bengals have landed two top end performers, proven. They know it works. At some point IF you draft good players you are going to have to say goodbye to someone as contracts come up and a greater percentage of "unknown" in spots. You know it Burrow/Chase/Higgins gets you in the Superbowl talk with a horrible o-line and bend but don't break D.

I haven't reached that point with Chase. But yes, there will be approx 20-25 WRs taken in the top 150 in next year's draft class. If you look at highschool recruiting rankings there are way more 4 and 5 star prospects entering college. Basically the WR market is flooded. That point supports the view of not paying WRs and especially 2 WRs. I think if you peal the onion back while there seems to be a huge supply of guys that can run and catch at an all-pro level in t-shirts. That number so far has dwindle when the pads come on and the bullet fly. Also WRs are getting paid as the cap grows.

I just assume Ben Baby and ESPN are just being the agent's voice. Chase has $26m coming to him and its all basically guaranteed. The issue for Chase is the AJ Green situation. AJ and the Bengals were close to an extension that would be close to the Julio Jones contract. Then AJ tore up something lower body in practice. It was constant is he going to play or isn't he that entire season. I think the Bengals gifted him the franchise tag the following year that put $18m in his pocket but AJ being on that practice field cost him some money. He was never the same most national reporters when spouting off "cheap Bengals" will never give them credit for franchising AJ. He was done and no other team would have paid that amount to him for a singular season, IMO. Chase has $26m in his pocket now. Risk he doesn't suffer a bad injury or sever down turn in production over the next two seasons and he could at least expect another $25m with a franchise tag. I don't blame him for sitting out because a new deal would surely land $80m in his pocket for those same 3 seasons. Talking about a difference of $30m at least. Don't really blame Bengals either at this point. Chase has never produced more than 1,600 yards and he's under realistic control for 3 seasons and substantial less cash ($30m).

Kirkland working out to be a competent back up or fringe starter would be welcomed. I remain skeptical. They thought similar about Adeniji and removed all obstacles for him to start various spots. He was low tier at all of them. Then one day last year. Whelp we were wrong, Adeniji goodbye. Just speaks to the disaster the O-line has been and maybe the questionable talent evaluation going on. Adeniji hurts his chest. Comes back gets a ticket to the starting line up at RG. Plays horrible. Next year back up but then gets starting job at RT once La'el gets injured. Keep in mind they elected to start La'el off 2 summer practices. La'el played horrible to start the year. Adeniji played horrible at RT as a back up. Then next TC, they cut him and keep the players they benched in favor of him. Weird. Kirkland. Again, I hope the hype works out. But they added tackles in front of him and started him inside for a reason. The question or doubt is Pollack. Remember Pollack started Price as a rookie over a clearly better option in Hopkins. That OL has been disaster for so long, hopefully they can string together a competent starting 5 for most of the year. Just tired of hearing these rags to riches late round finds that have never panned out under Pollack.

I'm not worried about J'mar Chase at this point. Won't start get worried until he or his camp goes public about missing regular season games. Maybe his absent from yesterday's camp is a prelude to that. Who knows? Hard to have a take either way. Don't know what has been offered. Don't know what has been asked. If a "hold in" produces a long term deal for Chase prior to the season. I wouldn't really give a fuck about him missing whatever training camp time.

1. Don't like the Bears all orange. Hope the Bengals all orange looks better. Bear's all orange whenever they break them out is horrible. 2. Teair Tart - Sign me up. Wanted him this off season. However, if you go back and check through the game day threads on the various Bengal boards. He dropped "the peoples elbow" on the back of Karra's neck during the last Titan v Bengals match up. It would have topped any Vontez Burfict cheap shot. I'm surprised it hasn't more coverage but anyway some the scuttle butt after his FA visit about why they didn't sign him was personality. 3. Didn't like the Mims pick at the time. Just didn't like the Bengals taking a lightly played OT based on their recent history of busts along taking the 5th,6th,7th tackle off the board when your 1st CB was there. Loved what I saw of him at camp and the feedback on camp reports. Hopefully he's back soon and can pick it up. 4. I think Bengals are practicing with the Bears this week. Not shocked the starters won't play in the game. All meaningful work will take place out of sight from fans. Which again makes preseason games more of a bullshit money grab. 5. I also believe Cody Ford got the "swing" tackle reps last year during regular season games. I think all his preseason snaps came at guard this past Saturday.

Crap. At least it doesn't involve surgery. Hopefully the rehab goes well and fast.

There have been big bengal crowds in Nashville the past few years very fun road trip. I am guessing Bengal "JIM" will have one of his tailgates and those can get quite huge so keep an eye out for that and location. After the victory then its on the bars, bring cash and request "Welcome to the Jungle" in every bar you go in.

I said played a good first half and he did.

Also Kudos to the Brown family. The have done a lot for the fan experience inside Paycor. I just hope there will be a day a Superbowl banner will hang in it.

I thought Carman played good in the first half and the holding call was suspect. I think he's the final tackle on the roster of now. We'll see. 1. Starting O-line played very well. Great pocket on that first and only drive. 2. Murphy had some nice rushes. The TB QB was getting the ball out and looked comfortable finding holes in the coverage. 3. Need to see better from the IDL depth. Wasn't impressed. Wasn't impressed with Battle either in run support still takes bad angles. 4. Jake Browning had a horrible horrible game. Considering how much starting experience he has now. I don't know why the ball gets stuck in his hand going up against back ups with what I assume not a very complicated game plan. He just struggles to the deliver the ball. The INT he threw was completely on him that ball should have been out a full second or 2 and its a TD. Very poor showing, IMO. If you compare to how easily the Tampa Bay backup QB was getting the ball vs. vanilla game plan and back ups to Browning, not good. Just don't get why he didn't have at least 2 scoring drives. His decision to scramble at the end of the half was bad. Expect a lot more from a player that has won regular season games.

Charlie Jones just isn't that big. I hope he can stay healthy but if he's the main return guy it could be something to be concerned about.

The reason why I say "way too early" . Sometimes these media boyzzzz act like fan boi This time last year they were hyping Robbin's booming punts. Sucked his rookie year. They went over drive hype on Volson and he's been one of the worse starting guards in the league. Just relax media fan boi.

Dehner's Rookie Grades so far. IMO, way too early for this but here you go.

Depth Charts are what they are this time of the year. But the first release has Trent Brown as the starter. So it is very unlikely he'll go from starter to cut during the month of August. Mims or Brown kicking inside would (I guess) put Volson on the outs? I don't think they'd go that route but we'll see.

Myles Murphy got a couple good call outs in Dan Hoard's daily camp observations. That was good to read. However, it sounds like Mims is hard to beat in the one on one pass rush drills. It will be interesting to see what happens if Trent Brown gets back to top form because the reviews on Mims have been very good so far.

I can't wait for sports betting to die off. So tired of listening to people's prop bets and other shit on normal programming. There's a million other sources of quality handicapping to seek out if you should dabble in sports wagering.

I would guess X, but there are some good youtube shows detailing TC happenings. They all can get a little overkill because they are all watching the same thing and generally the takes are about the same.

Hopefully Myles and Ossai log some first quarter snaps in the first preseason game. Quality DE depth is needed. I'll really start to worry if Murphy is logging some late 3rd or 4th quarter preseason snaps. Playing that late in Preseason game 1 screams Margus Hunt role. Which they need a lot more than that from him.

Looks awesome. Can't wait for the post game balls after about 13 wins this year.

I'll just fly this warning flag up. Today is first day of pads so keep that in mind. However, from what I observed from my visits to TC. Myles Murphy is running with the scrubs. We'll see if anything changes once the pads come on, but this is one situation that caught my eye and I'll be interested to see when his snaps come in preseason. Also Mims is very mobile for his size. They have him pulling and he can get out in front of screens. Kick off coverage, looked very good from what I observed. Most of the time the guy returner would have been contacted before the 20. Again a lot can change once pads come on.

I would like for it to get done. I would hold out if I were him. But I'm risk adverse. Take the huge up front money now! Assuming it has been offered. However, the cap is already projected to grow to $273M. Another $18m jump. JJ has been over 1,600 yards twice. Chase never. Cap growth plus a 1,600 year puts him in a spot to beat the JJ deal. With what he's already proved in the league he probably doesn't have much risk falling out of top 10 deal status. I don't know. Its not worth lobbying a bunch of blame at the front office or digging up the old "hold out" takes until Chase packs his bags and heads back to the Bayou and proclaims see you in November. I don't think he's "holding in". It be awesome if that were the case because that means a new deal is looming. Its probably a Zac club med camp approach.

The J'mar Chase stuff is 100% media boredom. The media folk have fear mongered and trolled Bengal fans for nearly 2 years with gloom and doom over a Burrow extension. 1. IF there was any serious risk of Chase being mad about not having a new deal. He wouldn't be there at all and there would be serious threat already lobbied stating he's not coming until week 11 or whatever is the last possible date to accrue the season. Until that happens it should be a non story. Just more fear mongering and trolling Bengal fans. 2. IF he is actually "hold in". Well that means they've kept a new deal a secret and its looming. Which greatly destroys the Burrow "new deal" fear mongering and its actually great fucking news. He'll probably practice next week or something as these aren't really the hard core training camps of yester year. The lack of a Chase extension could easily be explained that his camp reasonably thinks they can beat the JJ deal with a JJ like top season and another year of massive cap growth. Cap tracking sites are already putting it at $273m which would be another $20m growth. I would think Chase would at least have to put up 1,600 yards or more.