HoosierCat Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 Well, this might speed things up a bit.Brian Murphy of the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports that Judge David Doty has ruled that the NFL violated the Collective Bargaining Agreement by striking deals with television networks that require ongoing payments to the league during a work stoppage.Judge Doty has ordered another hearing to determine whether the players’ remedy will be financial damages or an injunction preventing the league from pocketing the money during a lockout.The ruling comes the night before a full day of mediation in Washington, D.C., little more than two days before the expiration of the current labor deal. Though the league surely will balk at the ruling and vow to appeal the decision to a higher court, the possible inability of men like Jerry Jones to pay the mortgage on places like the Jerry Dome suddenly makes it much harder for the league to withstand a lockout./>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/01/judge-doty-sides-with-players-in-lockout-insurance-cas/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 LMAO. Surely the clause wherein the networks agreed to pay 4 billion dollars to the owners during a lockout season in which no programming was delivered in exchange for the 4 billion dollars cost something. Probably a lot. So the owners traded revenue, which the players would have shared, for a right to receive money the players won't share. Let's start figuring out the damages! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I find it hard to believe the networks would agree in any part to paying such a huge sum for nothing in return. Either there is football and get paid, or there is no football and don't get paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 So the owners traded revenue, which the players would have shared, for a right to receive money the players won't share. Let's start figuring out the damages!yep, let's get right to it :-)my heart bleeds for the league, who have come to be seen as the absolute icons of greed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 2, 2011 Report Share Posted March 2, 2011 I can't believe with all the money to be had, they can't come to a resolution where everyone is at least moderately happy.If they don't get this done, it will be the epitome of greed.F*CKERS !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 i read some where the owners preparing for a 2 year lockout. wtf is that? unreal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 They all stand to lose so much money with the lockout it makes me laugh.Stupid asses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 The insurance policy was for 4 billion. That means 125 million per team, pure profit due to no player or coaches salaries.The owners can say this doesn't matter to them, but I've read that this payment in lockout years was an absolute must in every contract they negotiated with every television network. They were counting on it, and losing it is huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted March 3, 2011 Report Share Posted March 3, 2011 24 hour extension to set up for a larger extension good news IMO means they actually trying to get something done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Latest reports say the 2 sides won't meet face to face tomorrow but will each meet with the mediator & then a decision will be made on a 7-10 day extension. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted March 4, 2011 Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 I still think something will get done and I think it will be sooner rather than later.Anyone see the report that they are now saying if something doesn't get done until after the draft, both the owners and draftees would have the right to question the validity of the draft ?? I didn't get the specifics, but I was listening to it on NFL network while on the computer. That sounds like a mess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 Over at Yahoo Sports, Nate Silver paints a far more optimistic picture then we've seen for a while. The two sides apparently quit spitting at each other and finally started talking yesterday, and the outlines of a deal are coming together. Could still all fall apart but...Even though the situation remained precarious at the end of business Thursday, the two sides had begun to shape the basic structure of a new CBA. Not surprisingly, it would resemble the type of agreement we suggested at the end of our fan’s guide to the labor situation last summer.The owners would indeed get more money off the top before splitting “adjusted gross revenues” with the players – more than the $1 billion they received annually under the current deal, but less than the $2 billion they’d been demanding until recently. In simplistic terms, the owners would achieve an agreement they believe is roughly equivalent to the one that was on the table in 2006 before, they feel, Upshaw took advantage of outgoing commissioner Paul Tagliabue’s desire for labor peace at any cost and skewed the deal toward the union’s interests.In this case, the hit to the players would be somewhat mitigated by an increase in revenue driven by the move to an 18-game regular season. The addition of two games (and elimination of two preseason games) might not be immediate, and the players would receive concessions such as limitations to offseason workouts and training camp practices and a new formula allowing them to qualify for certain benefits with fewer seasons played than in the past. However, in the end, the union is likely to capitulate and agree to the “enhanced” season in exchange for other considerations – again, something that was predicted many months ago.In all probability, there will also be a rookie wage scale that increases revenues while playing to the popular sentiment among fans that the guaranteed money received by top draft picks is exorbitant when compared to the salaries of accomplished veterans.The owners will be granted their longstanding request to have Doty removed as the arbiter of all CBA disputes, and there will likely be a provision extending player health care benefits in the event of a future lockout.A new CBA would feature many other intricacies, of course, and there would be plenty of wrangling to come if Friday’s push for another short-term extension comes to fruition. However, if such an announcement is made, both sides would view that as an almost ironclad statement that a deal is forthcoming – and a work stoppage will have been averted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 4, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2011 deadline extended to 5 pm March 11/>http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/03/04/deadline-extended-until-march-11/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combatbengal Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 If we end up having no season this year, will the draft be omitted as well? If that happens and we still get to pick at four next season, we might have a better opportunity at QB. Luck will come out of college along with a few others! I hate the fact that we won’t see NFL this season, but there is always college football. Those kids play for pride and have heart. Not for the money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 Everything I've heard is that the draft will be held regardless of the labor situation. But if there no agreement, teams will not be able to hold rookie minicamps or have further contact with the player until the CBA is done. And I don't think teams are allowed to contact undrafted FA's either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted March 7, 2011 Report Share Posted March 7, 2011 The draft will definitely happen April 28th. The last CBA stated as much. There's no killing the draft this year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combatbengal Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 So if we have the draft, and no season does that mean we draft at # 4 again next season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I would imagine that there would not be another draft until there would be a season preceding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 So if we have the draft, and no season does that mean we draft at # 4 again next season?I'm sure they haven't planned on such an event so there is no definite answer. But we're just fans and we can dream up almost anything. I don't think anyone is of the opinion that the entire season will be cancelled but my guess is if it is then yes, the draft order would resort to 2011. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 So if we have the draft, and no season does that mean we draft at # 4 again next season?I'm sure they haven't planned on such an event so there is no definite answer. But we're just fans and we can dream up almost anything. I don't think anyone is of the opinion that the entire season will be cancelled but my guess is if it is then yes, the draft order would resort to 2011.I wouldn't imagine teams would draft another 7 players that they need to sign on top of the other 7 players they need to sign. That would be a significant portion of the roster. I think you're right that there will be some type of agreement at least before April 2012. I just couldn't see them doing a draft if there was no season preceding it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 So if we have the draft, and no season does that mean we draft at # 4 again next season?I'm sure they haven't planned on such an event so there is no definite answer. But we're just fans and we can dream up almost anything. I don't think anyone is of the opinion that the entire season will be cancelled but my guess is if it is then yes, the draft order would resort to 2011.I wouldn't imagine teams would draft another 7 players that they need to sign on top of the other 7 players they need to sign. That would be a significant portion of the roster. I think you're right that there will be some type of agreement at least before April 2012. I just couldn't see them doing a draft if there was no season preceding it.I see your point but what happens to the guys that are seniors or come out early after the 2011 collegiate season? Hopefully they will get this BS wrapped up soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Ray Posted March 8, 2011 Report Share Posted March 8, 2011 I wouldn't imagine teams would draft another 7 players that they need to sign on top of the other 7 players they need to sign. That would be a significant portion of the roster. I think you're right that there will be some type of agreement at least before April 2012. I just couldn't see them doing a draft if there was no season preceding it.Your post makes a great point of how much the players have to lose. The careers are so short. If they by 2012 they will have another 14 draftees to compete with for roster spots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout200 Posted March 9, 2011 Report Share Posted March 9, 2011 The NFL Players Association is going to try to reach an agreement by Friday, 3/11/11. Do you think that this is even attainable or will there be a possible lockout? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 It appears that they have come to some type of understanding on a rookie wage scale./>http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/rookie-wage-scale-league-union-agree-report-030811The NFL wanted first-round picks to sign five-year deals in order to become free agents, but relented, according to the report, and agreed to four years for free agency. The report also stated there is also expected to be a stipulation limiting the amount of guaranteed money and signing bonus offered to draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scout200 Posted March 10, 2011 Report Share Posted March 10, 2011 It appears that they have come to some type of understanding on a rookie wage scale./>http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/rookie-wage-scale-league-union-agree-report-030811The NFL wanted first-round picks to sign five-year deals in order to become free agents, but relented, according to the report, and agreed to four years for free agency. The report also stated there is also expected to be a stipulation limiting the amount of guaranteed money and signing bonus offered to draft picks.Ooh, nice! Thanks for posting that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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