Jet23 Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Ole helmet hair has the Bengals taking Ko Simpson (DB) from South Carolina. I don't think he is the physical guy ML is looking for. Plus, he only has two years of college experience ala Mark Roman. I know that LB is not an immediate need, but it just seems that 5 years from now somebody will be asking the question 'how did you let Bobby Carpenter slip away?'. He may not make it past New England anyway, but if he does....kind of hard to pass up a guy that just makes plays. Pollack + Odell + Carpenter = Lombardi trophy.Complete list:1. Houston Reggie Bush, RB* USC 2. New Orleans Matt Leinart, QB USC 3. Tennessee Vince Young, QB* Texas 4. N.Y. Jets D'Brickashaw Ferguson, T Virginia 5. Green Bay Mario Williams, DE* NC State 6. Oakland A.J. Hawk, LB Ohio St. 7. San Francisco Michael Huff, DB Texas 8. Buffalo Haloti Ngata, DT* Oregon 9. Detroit Jay Cutler, QB Vanderbilt 10. Arizona DeAngelo Williams, RB Memphis 11. St. Louis Vernon Davis, TE* Maryland 12. Cleveland Chad Greenway, LB Iowa 13. Baltimore Tamba Hali, DE Penn St. 14. Philadelphia Winston Justice, T* USC 15. Atlanta Jimmy Williams, DB Virginia Tech 16. Miami Ashton Youboty, CB* Ohio St. 17. Minnesota LenDale White, RB* USC 18. Dallas Marcus McNeill, T Auburn 19. San Diego Santonio Holmes, WR* Ohio St. 20. Kansas City Tye Hill, CB Clemson 21. New England Laurence Maroney, RB* Minnesota 22. Denver (from WSH) Mathias Kiwanuka, DE Boston College 23. Tampa Bay DeMeco Ryans, LB Alabama 24. Cincinnati Ko Simpson, DB* South Carolina 25. N.Y. Giants Johnathan Joseph, CB* South Carolina 26. Chicago Leonard Pope, TE* Georgia 27. Carolina Dominique Byrd, TE USC 28. Jacksonville Ernie Sims, OLB* Florida St. 29. Denver Sinorice Moss, WR Miami 30. Indianapolis Taitusi "Deuce" Lutui, G USC 31. Pittsburgh Bobby Carpenter, LB Ohio St. 32. Seattle Maurice Stovall, WR Notre Dame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Wow, he's got Mathias Kiwanuka dropping allt the way to 22. Just 2 more spots and he's ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Kiwi dropped because he had a horrible Senior Bowl.I couldn't be happier....keep dropping, Kiwi :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Kiper will change his draft in the 8-25 range very dramatically after the combine. He always does.Things that stand out to me:13. Tamba Hali is a bit high.16. Youboty is overrated at 1624. Ko better rock at the combine, as we can have many, many good safety prospects in the 2-4 range (Watkins, Whitner, Slay, Harper...)25. Joseph is a reach here. A site I really agree with has him as the #15 CB in the draft...Kiper has him as #5. There is depth at CB but Joseph ahead of Cromartie, Minter, Zemaitis, Phillips, Jennings and Griffin??? ...we'll see after the combine.32. Stovall is pretty good but Chad Jackson, Hagan, Schweiney's Williams, are all comparable and can be had in r2-3 (excpet Jackson). Seattle needs D-backs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Wow, he's got Mathias Kiwanuka dropping allt the way to 22. Just 2 more spots and he's ours.I can't imagine him being around at 22, but if he is, somebody better be working the phones. Maybe they can work a deal with New England again. If he's available, I may have to rethink my Carpenter stance... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I see Kiwi going up near 13-17, and Hali falling to near 20-27. The combine will juggle these quite a bit as the scouts, media and "mocksperts" all are stat crazy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spain Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Its going to be Gillis. Mark my words. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I'd love the Ko pick (see TDB mock! ). Nonetheless, I agree with Kingwilly... if there is a good end available, I saw we take him and go for safety later in day one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 kiwi fell so hard. because he just got owned by Ferguson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whur CHad At? Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 I love Ko...just look at the Sig.If Ko is gone, which he won't be, I wouldnt Mind going with Mathias. He needs to prove to me that he can dominate bigger tackles at a higher level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Ko Simpson is a bona fide stud and will be an All-Pro in the NFL. If he were available at 24, the Bengals would be laughing as they ran the card up to the podium.Pair him with Madieu and stop worrying about safety for 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJJackson Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Its going to be Gillis. Mark my words.Err.....Gillis who?*scratch* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Kiper will change his draft in the 8-25 range very dramatically after the combine. He always does.Things that stand out to me:24. Ko better rock at the combine, as we can have many, many good safety prospects in the 2-4 range (Watkins, Whitner, Slay, Harper...)Couldn't agree more. You will often have a 3rd round DB that is more than capable of starting. Madieu and Ratliff are examples of the quality you can get later than the 1st round.There are positions out there though that are very difficult to get as starters past the 1st round. D-linemen especially. I would much rather get our D-Line needs met in the 1st round than other positions.QuestionWhy do the mods keep moving these threads? I understand moving them during the season... but this is basically 50% of what we have to talk about right now. I don't like having to toggle back and forth between the two forums. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted February 7, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Kiper will change his draft in the 8-25 range very dramatically after the combine. He always does.Things that stand out to me:24. Ko better rock at the combine, as we can have many, many good safety prospects in the 2-4 range (Watkins, Whitner, Slay, Harper...)Couldn't agree more. You will often have a 3rd round DB that is more than capable of starting. Madieu and Ratliff are examples of the quality you can get later than the 1st round.There are positions out there though that are very difficult to get as starters past the 1st round. D-linemen especially. I would much rather get our D-Line needs met in the 1st round than other positions.QuestionWhy do the mods keep moving these threads? I understand moving them during the season... but this is basically 50% of what we have to talk about right now. I don't like having to toggle back and forth between the two forums.I'm a bit puzzled as to why the thread was moved myself. I rarely check any other forum other than the Bengals. I might be missing out on some good stuff.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Titled "Kiper" not "Bengals" ...no matter content says "Bengals" since, well, since we're on the "Bengals" board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Just making use of this forum as it is meant to be used. There are still links left within the Bengals forum (just figured out how to do that). I didn't think an added click after reading/posting would be problematic. No "prickness" intended, never is with a thread move.On topic, Kiper will indeed change his mocks over and over as time passes. He is just releasing them to get attention to his columns (is everything of his still locked up in that "Insider" crap? So annyoing). Any mocks made before the combine and free agency are likely going to either be very wrong or undergo a lot of changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningpoint Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 Demeco Ryans at Pick 23 als owuld be a steal at that point....man give me either him or Kiwi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPappaw Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Ko Simpson would be a GREAT choice for us!! Don't worry about Ko -- he plays the pass great and really tackles! As opposed to some of this years crop of safeties that try to "destroy" the runners -- then are surprised when the good runners bounce off and keep running. I've also seen some mock drafts where Vernon Davis slips to us.I'd take either one if they last to our spot. But, right now my first choice would be Ko Simpson. Only because he is such a significant improvement over anyone we currently have.You are right -- there are other good safeties available this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
membengal Posted February 8, 2006 Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 Kiper will change his draft in the 8-25 range very dramatically after the combine. He always does.Things that stand out to me:24. Ko better rock at the combine, as we can have many, many good safety prospects in the 2-4 range (Watkins, Whitner, Slay, Harper...)Couldn't agree more. You will often have a 3rd round DB that is more than capable of starting. Madieu and Ratliff are examples of the quality you can get later than the 1st round.There are positions out there though that are very difficult to get as starters past the 1st round. D-linemen especially. I would much rather get our D-Line needs met in the 1st round than other positions.QuestionWhy do the mods keep moving these threads? I understand moving them during the season... but this is basically 50% of what we have to talk about right now. I don't like having to toggle back and forth between the two forums.I'm a bit puzzled as to why the thread was moved myself. I rarely check any other forum other than the Bengals. I might be missing out on some good stuff....Thirded. Kiper this time of year IS Bengals talk. It's going to be draft for about three months, would be nice to have those discussions in the main Bengals area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted February 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2006 I don't think that ML is going to draft for need. He will select the biggest 'difference maker' on the board at the time (hopefully on the defensive side of the ball). Most draft blunders stem from a team drafting for need. I am going to pimp Bobby Carpenter once again. The thought of Carpenter, Pollace and Odell sends chills down my spine. And no, I am not forgetting about B. Simmons and Landon. I see Pollack playing end a great deal, so depth at linebacker is going to be very important.IMO if ML connects on another defensive stud, either through FA or the draft, we are well on our way to a top 5 defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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