Palmer's knee injury may yield rule change

[oldschooler]

Palmer's knee injury may yield rule change

BY MARK CURNUTTE | ENQUIRER STAFF WRITER

Pittsburgh Steelers defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen was not penalized or fined for his playoff hit on Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer in the teams' first-round playoff game.

But the hit, which forced Palmer to have major surgery to repair two torn ligaments in his left knee, will be reviewed by the NFL this offseason.

A rule is in place that allows defensive linemen coming off a block to hit quarterbacks below the knees. But that could change pending the review.

"It's too early to tell," said Atlanta Falcons general manager Rich McKay, the co-chairman of the league's competition committee.

"We look at every injury, and we look at injuries by position, and the focus is always the quarterback position and the affect their injuries have on the game. I'm certain we'll look at that play. We haven't revisited that rule ... in a long time, but I'm sure it will be brought up."

Palmer, who had surgery Jan. 10, is living in Orange County, Calif., where he is rehabilitating.

http://news.enquirer.com/apps/pbcs.dll/art...0378/1066/rss07

[cincy9275]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

[chad85jn]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

I agree. I kept replaying it slow motion and it is late especially laying down like Kimo was

[bengalboomer7]

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

[NJ29]

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

I would be pretty worried if they didn't.

[bengalboomer7]

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

I would be pretty worried if they didn't.

Well, it took them long enough

I've been kind of suprised this has been such a non issue

[membengal]

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

I would be pretty worried if they didn't.

Well, it took them long enough

I've been kind of suprised this has been such a non issue

What? And ruin the Steelers love-in that is built, in no small part, on the questionable and border-line dirty hit on Palmer?

[Stickman]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

If that's how you see it, then another example: Odell Thruman on Rothlisburger in the Dec game. You can't have one without the other.....

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

The only people calling it a dirty hit are Bengals fans... really.

[Ox]

The only people calling it a dirty hit are Bengals fans... really.

That's weird.. maybe then the league office is made up of Bengals fans? Otherwise there would be no reason to review it.

Just because it benefits your team doesn't make what you say more legit, jackass.

[redsbengalsbucks]

You seem to forget that Thurman was actually penalized for his hit.

You also forget that Thurman was airborne after the block and until he comes in contact with Rottencheaseheadburger, it is much harder to change direction in the air than it is crawling on the ground.

[B24]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

If that's how you see it, then another example: Odell Thruman on Rothlisburger in the Dec game. You can't have one without the other.....

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

The only people calling it a dirty hit are Bengals fans... really.

And this thread isn't about Ben is it? Take your smack to the smack forum. There are plenty of threads about this to choose from.

[Tasher]

Just think of all the owners looking at this and seeing their franchise QB's jersey/body replacing Palmer's and the probability that some percentage of them would not be able to come back after the surgery.

I would not be surprised to see a rule change that prohibited ALL hits below the knee, either shoulder/body to leg or something of the sort. The only way you can bring the QB down would be hands/arms only below the knee.

[ArmyBengal]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

If that's how you see it, then another example: Odell Thruman on Rothlisburger in the Dec game. You can't have one without the other.....

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

The only people calling it a dirty hit are Bengals fans... really.

Hey pay attention for just a minute if possible. Thurman was tripped going after Rottenfurberger and this has been discussed in great depth and proven. He shouldn't have been penalized and it's a mute point. Kimo Vondicklessen on the other hand went low after being blocked down, not "INTO" Palmer, hence the additional step before leading with his shoulder. Oh wait, he reacted soooooo apologetic... Well, I can act to, so what the F*CK ever... People in general want to give the benefit of the doubt, but when push came to shove, the league has figured out what some of us have felt all along..... CHEAP F*CKING SHOT. So once again I only have two words for all the Steelers players, fans, and their entire sorry F*CKING organization...

WHODEY !!!

[bengalsin06]

give it up with your cheap shot s**t. it wasnt a cheap shot. i feel for palmer and hope he returns but i dont hink pittsburgh deliberately did it.

[Stickman]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

If that's how you see it, then another example: Odell Thruman on Rothlisburger in the Dec game. You can't have one without the other.....

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

The only people calling it a dirty hit are Bengals fans... really.

And this thread isn't about Ben is it? Take your smack to the smack forum. There are plenty of threads about this to choose from.

I'm not talking smack. I'm commenting on the NFL reviewing the hit. I've read the NFL's article about the hit. It says they review EVERY play that a player gets hurt on. They said they were sure they would review the Palmer hit as well. There's no reason the suggest that the NFL or anyone else for that matter now thinks it was a dirty hit. I've also read what was said about Thruman. The Pittsburgh OL said he probably tripped him because he was engaged with a D-lineman and it forced him to spread out in his stance. He couldn't say for sure. Bottom line, yes Thruman got a penalty. Kimo should have gotten a penalty as well. The rule should be standardized across the board, yes. That's why the NFL is looking at it this off season.

[oldschooler]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

If that's how you see it, then another example: Odell Thruman on Rothlisburger in the Dec game. You can't have one without the other.....

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

The only people calling it a dirty hit are Bengals fans... really.

As far as the Odell hit...

Hartings admitted he tripped Odell. Kimo wasn`t tripped.

Odell was penalized 15 yards. Kimo wasn`t penalized.

Roethlisberger`s knee wasn`t shredded. Palmer`s was.

Roethlisberger didn`t have to have surgery. Palmer did.

Roethlisberger didn`t miss a play.

The hit to Roethlisberger didn`t end the Steelers season.

The hit on Palmer did end the Bengals season. And puts

doubt on when he will return next season.

It amazes me how you stupid Steelers fans KEEP trying

to compare Odell`s hit to Palmer`s injury.

And The League`s Competition Commitee is going to look at it.

NOT Bengal`s fans.

They are going to review the rule that if a player doesn`t have a

clear path to the QB...that it`s OK to go for his knee.

The QB is in a VERY prone position when he is looking down field

and is in his throwing motion...to go for his knees IS dirty and shouldn`t

be part of the game.

Just like an Offensive Lineman chop blocking a D-lineman is dirty

and illegal...

[oldschooler]

Just to add a little more...

If you just look at "the hit" ...then yeah it could be

seen as "crying and whining" from Bengals fans.

But the Steelers took Odell`s hit personal, Wines Hard said that

they would have that play on their minds next time they played.

Roethlisberger said the quote that is now famous.

The Steelers took the video the Bengals made personal.

I`ve never said the hit was "intenional"...but I`ve always

said it was "questionable. Because IT IS.

Take off your Steeler homer glasses and look at these quotes

that were made in DECEMBER ...

What worries von Oelhoffen is how effectively Palmer runs a no-huddle offense. The no-huddle hampers the defense's ability to substitute on each play and, in von Oelhoffen's mind, creates an edge for the offense.

"There's too much advantage and rules will be changed. Indy has started a trend -- there's just too many garbage yards that can be picked up," von Oelhoffen said. "I'm old school. Let's play football, and not try to catch people running on and off the field. But that's what they do and it works for them."

"I just hope the city sticks with the team and believes in them and doesn't, when adversity strikes -- and it will strike again, for them and us -- go back in the tank, and say, "Oh, here we go again,"' he said. "That negative aura has more effect on a football team than people think it does. Then the players get mad at what the reporters say and then controversy starts, and players start dissenting."

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=40246

"I tried to let my body go limp so I could go down and I wouldn't hurt my knee," Roethlisberger said. "From what I heard, he got pushed or tripped or something. But any time you go low on a quarterback, you know it's a little dirty."

Despite Hartings' explanation, Ward suggested the Steelers (7-5) will have the play on their minds the next time they face Cincinnati. The Bengals (9-3) beat the Steelers 38-31 to take a two-game lead in the AFC North with four games to play and endanger the Steelers' playoff hopes.

But Ward acknowledged he has gone after other NFL players in retaliation for an incident in a previous game and said, "You make a note of the guy and make sure it doesn't happen again."

http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/13353501.htm

[ArmyBengal]

give it up with your cheap shot s**t. it wasnt a cheap shot. i feel for palmer and hope he returns but i dont hink pittsburgh deliberately did it.

Thank you for your opinion on the matter and I will continue to call it as I see it, just as you have done. CHEAP SHOT !!! Disagree all you want, I personally don't care...

WHODEY !!!

[derekshank]

I'm in the middle on this. I don't believe the hit was illegal... but that doesn't mean it was clean. I doubt he had the intention of hurting Palmer to the extent he did... but he clearly was trying to make a statement early in the game that they will do whatever it takes... including hit at the knees, and we all know how Big Ben feels about that.

All that said... I don't believe that the NFL looking into this indicates that they think it was a dirty hit. They are always in the process of changing rules that will keep players healthy. Last year they outlawed the horse-collar tackle that injured T.O. This didn't mean that they thought the tackle was dirty... but just a dangerous way to bring a player down. Considering the severity of the injury, and the fact that he is one of the best QB's in the league, it would be ignorant not to consider making such plays illegal.

There... I've played my middle ground once again, and I only have this left to say....

For you Steelers fans still hanging around on Bengal's boards defending the Kimo play... don't you have anything better to do? You're presence here indicates to me that your conscience is troubling you. Perhaps you feel that the means used to beat the Bengals did not indicate the superiority of your team, but rather the ability to win against a team lacking its best player.

Continuing to argue with fans that are merely venting because of the way their season ended shows that you too have been unable to move on from this. Your continued banter only serves to prove Bengals fans correct. You are in the Super Bowl this week, but are seem to be in the same boat as Bengal fans... unable to get past a play that occured three weeks ago. Go talk on a Seahawks board... We'll be here next year.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

If that's how you see it, then another example: Odell Thruman on Rothlisburger in the Dec game. You can't have one without the other.....

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

The only people calling it a dirty hit are Bengals fans... really.

There are HUGE differences between the Odell THURMAN hit on Rottenburger in December and the Kimo hit on Palmer. First of all, Odell was TRIPPED. He fell into Rottenburger. Kimo, on the other hand, hit the ground, watched the ball leave Carsons posession, and lunged forward, grabbed the leg, and put his helmet to Carson, and twisted. It was dirty as hell, simply within the rules. He wasn't blocked into Carson, he was blocked into the ground. Ben wasn't injured, he was just whiny. Carson was injured seriously.

[Stickman]

i think it should be changed after what happend to palmer. i have no problem with the d giving the qb a shot as long as it is clean .

example clean shot rob burnett on akli smith hard but clean

example dirty kemo on palmer low cheap and uncalled for .

If that's how you see it, then another example: Odell Thruman on Rothlisburger in the Dec game. You can't have one without the other.....

That leads me to believe that the NFL at the very least thinks the hit is questionable.

The only people calling it a dirty hit are Bengals fans... really.

There are HUGE differences between the Odell THURMAN hit on Rottenburger in December and the Kimo hit on Palmer. First of all, Odell was TRIPPED. He fell into Rottenburger. Kimo, on the other hand, hit the ground, watched the ball leave Carsons posession, and lunged forward, grabbed the leg, and put his helmet to Carson, and twisted. It was dirty as hell, simply within the rules. He wasn't blocked into Carson, he was blocked into the ground. Ben wasn't injured, he was just whiny. Carson was injured seriously.

While falling down, his face facing Palmer's shoe, he watched the ball leave his possession? and then lunged forward? Gave him the helmet? What game were you watching? And just how much time do you think it took to work all that out in his head? I'm done talking about it now. All I can say is if Rothlisburger hadn't spun and got hit on the backside if the knee... the results would have been the same. Both hits were low, both deserved penalties (ok, sorry they didn't throw one on Kimo, but it's not my fault). Both dangerous. But NEITHER was intentional (dirty).

[derekshank]

You're post tonight...

While falling down, his face facing Palmer's shoe, he watched the ball leave his possession? and then lunged forward? Gave him the helmet? What game were you watching? And just how much time do you think it took to work all that out in his head? I'm done talking about it now. All I can say is if Rothlisburger hadn't spun and got hit on the backside if the knee... the results would have been the same. Both hits were low, both deserved penalties (ok, sorry they didn't throw one on Kimo, but it's not my fault). Both dangerous. But NEITHER was intentional (dirty).

My post earlier this morning...

For you Steelers fans still hanging around on Bengal's boards defending the Kimo play... don't you have anything better to do? You're presence here indicates to me that your conscience is troubling you. Perhaps you feel that the means used to beat the Bengals did not indicate the superiority of your team, but rather the ability to win against a team lacking its best player.

Continuing to argue with fans that are merely venting because of the way their season ended shows that you too have been unable to move on from this. Your continued banter only serves to prove Bengals fans correct. You are in the Super Bowl this week, but seem to be in the same boat as Bengal fans... unable to get past a play that occured three weeks ago. Go talk on a Seahawks board... We'll be here next year.

In case you missed it the first time I posted it... why are you here?

[DontPushMe]

Of coarse they will change the rules. This is terrible for the NFL. Quarterbacks = ratings. There arent many great QBs in the league right now, and they cant afford to lose any of them.

[Dan2330]

So what will the pentality be? 15 yards Unsportsmanlike Contact?

It will not stop these type of hits, the only way to stop it would be to do the 15 yards and eject the player that put the hit on, otherwise it is as good as yanking a face mask or hitting a player out of bounds.

[derekshank]

So what will the pentality be? 15 yards Unsportsmanlike Contact?

It will not stop these type of hits, the only way to stop it would be to do the 15 yards and eject the player that put the hit on, otherwise it is as good as yanking a face mask or hitting a player out of bounds.

It will stop the hits on the knees. For every injury, there are 100 leg tackles that don't hurt the QB. If you're going to get a 15 yard penalty for trying to tackle a QB at the knees, you'll learn to stop... or else, you'll be sitting on the bench.