Possible backup QB?

[schroomytunes]

Just saw on rotoworld that Patrick Ramsey would probably not be back for the Redskins next year. So why dont we look into trading for this guy. He's only 26 and would be a viable backup for Palmer. If I'm the Bengals I offer them Kelley Washington and a 5th rounder for him. The Redskins do need help at the WR position and KW makes perfect sense to go opposite Santana Moss. Thoughts?

[Whur CHad At?]

Ramsey would prob. be let go, so there really isn't a reason to trade for him.

It wouldn't be a bad idea, but we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.

[bengalboomer7]

Ramsey would prob. be let go, so there really isn't a reason to trade for him.

It wouldn't be a bad idea, but we will just have to wait and see how it plays out.

Exactly

[Ox]

Could there be a greater disparency between two QB's in talent level than Ramsey and our Golden boy?

If I wanted mediocre QB that makes bad reads, I'll keep Kitna. At least he knows the offense.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I guess I'm still the only one to bring up Jamie Martin - who the Bengals have reporedly inquired about already, because of what Zampese thinks of him, and their previous relationship.

Ramsey does make bad decisions, and yes so does Kitna, but Ramsey's a lot younger, with upside left, and has an arm that can be effective in this offense.

With all of these backup QB options, keep in mind many of them haven't had the talent surrounding them, ecspecially at WR, that they do here. Nor the tackles or RB's.

Problem for the Bengals' is, that if they know they will lose Kitna, or simply don't want him back, they also want the new QB in here to run spring mini-camps and to work with the WR's throughout the offseason.

Palmer may be "throwing" by July easily, but nothing else obviously, and the Bengals' will not have a good idea of his return timeframe until some time in August I'm thinking.

Plan for the worst. This is a very important move, and hope Kitna is not over-valued too much, gotta think of the future here and not just next season.

[turningpoint]

WONT WORK CAUSE RAMSEY WANTS TO START!

[BengalChamps]

Is Matt Schaub a FA? He would be a great pickup. I cant imagine that the Falcons would let him go easily.

[LB51]

Schaub is still under contract with the Falcons. He becomes a FA in 07, but rumors are circulating that the Falcons may try to deal him while he has some value. They apparantly have some salary cap issues coming up as well.

Schaub has been on my wish list since "the injury". He is a quality young QB with a great arm. We need a guy that can throw the deep ball with some accuracy. Hopefully the front office can work some sort of deal, cuz he'd be perfect for this situation.

[HoosierCat]

Well, problem No. 1 is that you can't trade Kwash because he's an RFA.

Frankly, none of the likely FA QBs do much for me -- and that includes Kitna. Jon is IMHO the best option, but the bottom line is that if Carson ends up being out for a significant length of time our chances of making the playoffs in '06 dim considerably no matter who is running the show.

If the Bengals are going to make any trades, I would rather see them do it for a defensive stud. Knock off one of our needs -- DT, DE, CB, SS, I don't care -- before the draft, fill two more holes with our first two picks (and maybe the last one in FA), and we stand a good chance of seriously improving the D. That, I think, would give us a better chance to weather Carson missing the first 4-6 games and still competing than any second-tier QB we could sign.

If Carson's out for the first half or longer...well, we're screwed anyhow.

[Jet23]

Well, problem No. 1 is that you can't trade Kwash because he's an RFA.

Frankly, none of the likely FA QBs do much for me -- and that includes Kitna. Jon is IMHO the best option, but the bottom line is that if Carson ends up being out for a significant length of time our chances of making the playoffs in '06 dim considerably no matter who is running the show.

If the Bengals are going to make any trades, I would rather see them do it for a defensive stud. Knock off one of our needs -- DT, DE, CB, SS, I don't care -- before the draft, fill two more holes with our first two picks (and maybe the last one in FA), and we stand a good chance of seriously improving the D. That, I think, would give us a better chance to weather Carson missing the first 4-6 games and still competing than any second-tier QB we could sign.

If Carson's out for the first half or longer...well, we're screwed anyhow.

I agree 100%. If they are thinking trade, an impact defensive player would be the way to go. With the return of Williams and another year of maturity for Pollack, Odell, Ratliff, Askew, Smith, Fanene, Landon... they may not be far away from winning some games on defense. Krenzel may even be able to 'hold down the fort', until Palmer return, under those conditions.

[derekshank]

Well, problem No. 1 is that you can't trade Kwash because he's an RFA.

Frankly, none of the likely FA QBs do much for me -- and that includes Kitna. Jon is IMHO the best option, but the bottom line is that if Carson ends up being out for a significant length of time our chances of making the playoffs in '06 dim considerably no matter who is running the show.

If the Bengals are going to make any trades, I would rather see them do it for a defensive stud. Knock off one of our needs -- DT, DE, CB, SS, I don't care -- before the draft, fill two more holes with our first two picks (and maybe the last one in FA), and we stand a good chance of seriously improving the D. That, I think, would give us a better chance to weather Carson missing the first 4-6 games and still competing than any second-tier QB we could sign.

If Carson's out for the first half or longer...well, we're screwed anyhow.

I agree 100%. If they are thinking trade, an impact defensive player would be the way to go. With the return of Williams and another year of maturity for Pollack, Odell, Ratliff, Askew, Smith, Fanene, Landon... they may not be far away from winning some games on defense. Krenzel may even be able to 'hold down the fort', until Palmer return, under those conditions.

I don't trust Krenzel to hold down anything. He didn't try to do more than he was able to in college, but he just doesn't have what it takes in the NFL. Despite the fact that the Bears did fairly well while he was in there, I think we can agree that it was in spite of him, not because of him... similar to Kyle Orton this year for them.

In his 6 games (5 started) he completed only 46.5 % of his passes for 718 yards and had a 2 INT's for every TD, giving him a whopping 52.5 passer rating. The Bears felt that both Grossman and Orton were good enough that they could release Krenzel... so the idea of him starting for a team that wins with scoring seems like a huge risk to the outcome of the season.

I imagine we're going to want a guy with some playing experience if Palmer can't start the season. Ramsey would be an okay option... as would Kurt Warner, or McCown... frankly... if we're only interested in the guy playing a couple games until Palmer gets back... Warner would be perfect, because this O-line will protect him, and he would have plenty of receivers to throw to.

The problem is the same with Kitna and Ramsey though... he wants to start somewhere, so we're probably going to have to go with whatever we can get, and it will probably be a downgrade from Kitna. We're just going to need Palmer back early. If he misses more than 3 or 4 games, we'll be in big trouble.

[AMC]

If I hear the name Matt Schaub one more time in these discussions!!!!!!!!!

Ain't gonna happen....We will not trade for a backup QB IMHO....

[ArmyBengal]

If I hear the name Matt Schaub one more time in these discussions!!!!!!!!!

Ain't gonna happen....We will not trade for a backup QB IMHO....

I agree it isn't going to happen, but not because we are looking to "trade" for a backup, but because if truth be known, Schaub is better than a good percentage of starters this past year IMO.

WHODEY !!!

[jjb10588]

i think whats gonna happen if Housh puts up great numbers again this year hes gonna want a bigger and better contract and were gonna have to trade him thats when we should go for the defensive players like trade housh to carolina for one of there studs on D. we have a great #3 WR Chris Henry w/ just 31 catches he put up like 400 yrds and 6 tds i think, if you wanna check out the facts go for it, IMHO i say we trade Housh while hes hot for a good D-fence man

[Wraith]

The Falcons are starting the bidding for Schaub at a 2nd rounder, I think with this draft a second rounder is far more valuable than a backup QB. I mean you could be talking about a starting safety, DE, DT, CB, or TE with a draft this deep.

Keep what we have, Kitna wants to stay here more importantly his wife wants to stay here, we know this team can be 8-8 with Kitna which is more than I can say for 95% of the backup QBs in this league.

Jamie Martin is 35 freaking years old heck at that BRING BACK BOOMER....just a joke, hey Testaverde is looking for work...again just a joke.

[Jet23]

Well, problem No. 1 is that you can't trade Kwash because he's an RFA.

Frankly, none of the likely FA QBs do much for me -- and that includes Kitna. Jon is IMHO the best option, but the bottom line is that if Carson ends up being out for a significant length of time our chances of making the playoffs in '06 dim considerably no matter who is running the show.

If the Bengals are going to make any trades, I would rather see them do it for a defensive stud. Knock off one of our needs -- DT, DE, CB, SS, I don't care -- before the draft, fill two more holes with our first two picks (and maybe the last one in FA), and we stand a good chance of seriously improving the D. That, I think, would give us a better chance to weather Carson missing the first 4-6 games and still competing than any second-tier QB we could sign.

If Carson's out for the first half or longer...well, we're screwed anyhow.

I agree 100%. If they are thinking trade, an impact defensive player would be the way to go. With the return of Williams and another year of maturity for Pollack, Odell, Ratliff, Askew, Smith, Fanene, Landon... they may not be far away from winning some games on defense. Krenzel may even be able to 'hold down the fort', until Palmer return, under those conditions.

I don't trust Krenzel to hold down anything. He didn't try to do more than he was able to in college, but he just doesn't have what it takes in the NFL. Despite the fact that the Bears did fairly well while he was in there, I think we can agree that it was in spite of him, not because of him... similar to Kyle Orton this year for them.

In his 6 games (5 started) he completed only 46.5 % of his passes for 718 yards and had a 2 INT's for every TD, giving him a whopping 52.5 passer rating. The Bears felt that both Grossman and Orton were good enough that they could release Krenzel... so the idea of him starting for a team that wins with scoring seems like a huge risk to the outcome of the season.

I imagine we're going to want a guy with some playing experience if Palmer can't start the season. Ramsey would be an okay option... as would Kurt Warner, or McCown... frankly... if we're only interested in the guy playing a couple games until Palmer gets back... Warner would be perfect, because this O-line will protect him, and he would have plenty of receivers to throw to.

The problem is the same with Kitna and Ramsey though... he wants to start somewhere, so we're probably going to have to go with whatever we can get, and it will probably be a downgrade from Kitna. We're just going to need Palmer back early. If he misses more than 3 or 4 games, we'll be in big trouble.

I just don't see the logic of bringing in a new qb. By the time they are acclimated to the system, and able to run the offense effectively, you would hope that Carson would be back. Signing Kitna would be the ideal situation, but if that doesn't happen, I bet you see Krenzel move up to #2, for no other reason than the fact that he knows the offense better than anyone they could bring in. The Offense will regress if the entire training camp is spent bringing the new qb up to speed. Maybe they can use that time to establish a smash mouth running game and not give up on it so early in games.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

i think whats gonna happen if Housh puts up great numbers again this year hes gonna want a bigger and better contract and were gonna have to trade him thats when we should go for the defensive players like trade housh to carolina for one of there studs on D. we have a great #3 WR Chris Henry w/ just 31 catches he put up like 400 yrds and 6 tds i think, if you wanna check out the facts go for it, IMHO i say we trade Housh while hes hot for a good D-fence man

Put down Spain's crack pipe please. First of all, Housh is a totally different kind of wideout than Henry. Henry is a speedy guy like Chad, Housh is a over the middle make the tough catches for the first down guy. You need both kinds of wideouts to be successful. Secondly, TJ got his money, perhaps you forget we paid him quite well just this last offseason. He is EXPECTED and EXPECTS to put up great numbers this year, and for the rest of his years through 2007 or 2009, I can't remember which. Besides, he's not stupid. He KNOWS he isn't a #1 wideout, that he succeeds because he has Chad on the other side, and Carson behind center. He can look at wideouts who have changed teams and bombed to know he has it made here. Finally, TRADES IN THE NFL ARE REALLY FREAKING RARE. Don't expect us to get into the trading market. We are building this team through the draft. Get used to it.

[Dan2330]

Ramsey does make bad decisions, and yes so does Kitna, but Ramsey's a lot younger, with upside left, and has an arm that can be effective in this offense.

With all of these backup QB options, keep in mind many of them haven't had the talent surrounding them, ecspecially at WR, that they do here. Nor the tackles or RB's.

No your right, in Washington Santana Moss and Clinton Portis were washups.....

[Chopjaw]

You can have Tommy Maddox...

[HoTbOy]

Well, problem No. 1 is that you can't trade Kwash because he's an RFA.

Frankly, none of the likely FA QBs do much for me -- and that includes Kitna. Jon is IMHO the best option, but the bottom line is that if Carson ends up being out for a significant length of time our chances of making the playoffs in '06 dim considerably no matter who is running the show.

If the Bengals are going to make any trades, I would rather see them do it for a defensive stud. Knock off one of our needs -- DT, DE, CB, SS, I don't care -- before the draft, fill two more holes with our first two picks (and maybe the last one in FA), and we stand a good chance of seriously improving the D. That, I think, would give us a better chance to weather Carson missing the first 4-6 games and still competing than any second-tier QB we could sign.

If Carson's out for the first half or longer...well, we're screwed anyhow.

I agree 100%. If they are thinking trade, an impact defensive player would be the way to go. With the return of Williams and another year of maturity for Pollack, Odell, Ratliff, Askew, Smith, Fanene, Landon... they may not be far away from winning some games on defense. Krenzel may even be able to 'hold down the fort', until Palmer return, under those conditions.

I agree accept for the Krenzel part, I don't like Kitna we are a different O when he is in there. He does not have the arm to get the ball to Chad or Henry so he can walk, I always wanted to know why Marvin took Krenzel over Bramlet I thought by him going over to NFLE and all the good things they were saying in camp he even looked better to me in the preseason that he was here to stay he was in the O for a couple or 3 years I never understood that he would have been better to me than Krenzel.

[Kazkal]

If I hear the name Matt Schaub one more time in these discussions!!!!!!!!!

Ain't gonna happen....We will not trade for a backup QB IMHO....

I agree it isn't going to happen, but not because we are looking to "trade" for a backup, but because if truth be known, Schaub is better than a good percentage of starters this past year IMO.

WHODEY !!!

wasen't same sade about kitna last year

Well, problem No. 1 is that you can't trade Kwash because he's an RFA.

Frankly, none of the likely FA QBs do much for me -- and that includes Kitna. Jon is IMHO the best option, but the bottom line is that if Carson ends up being out for a significant length of time our chances of making the playoffs in '06 dim considerably no matter who is running the show.

If the Bengals are going to make any trades, I would rather see them do it for a defensive stud. Knock off one of our needs -- DT, DE, CB, SS, I don't care -- before the draft, fill two more holes with our first two picks (and maybe the last one in FA), and we stand a good chance of seriously improving the D. That, I think, would give us a better chance to weather Carson missing the first 4-6 games and still competing than any second-tier QB we could sign.

If Carson's out for the first half or longer...well, we're screwed anyhow.

I agree 100%. If they are thinking trade, an impact defensive player would be the way to go. With the return of Williams and another year of maturity for Pollack, Odell, Ratliff, Askew, Smith, Fanene, Landon... they may not be far away from winning some games on defense. Krenzel may even be able to 'hold down the fort', until Palmer return, under those conditions.

I agree accept for the Krenzel part, I don't like Kitna we are a different O when he is in there. He does not have the arm to get the ball to Chad or Henry so he can walk, I always wanted to know why Marvin took Krenzel over Bramlet I thought by him going over to NFLE and all the good things they were saying in camp he even looked better to me in the preseason that he was here to stay he was in the O for a couple or 3 years I never understood that he would have been better to me than Krenzel.

probbley because krenz was a local boy

[Kazkal]

we could resign matt to be back up QB,TE and long snapper

[ArmyBengal]

If I hear the name Matt Schaub one more time in these discussions!!!!!!!!!

Ain't gonna happen....We will not trade for a backup QB IMHO....

I agree it isn't going to happen, but not because we are looking to "trade" for a backup, but because if truth be known, Schaub is better than a good percentage of starters this past year IMO.

WHODEY !!!

wasen't same sade about kitna last year

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Yes, but they were all full of SH*T !!!

WHODEY !!!

[Jet23]

Well, problem No. 1 is that you can't trade Kwash because he's an RFA.

Frankly, none of the likely FA QBs do much for me -- and that includes Kitna. Jon is IMHO the best option, but the bottom line is that if Carson ends up being out for a significant length of time our chances of making the playoffs in '06 dim considerably no matter who is running the show.

If the Bengals are going to make any trades, I would rather see them do it for a defensive stud. Knock off one of our needs -- DT, DE, CB, SS, I don't care -- before the draft, fill two more holes with our first two picks (and maybe the last one in FA), and we stand a good chance of seriously improving the D. That, I think, would give us a better chance to weather Carson missing the first 4-6 games and still competing than any second-tier QB we could sign.

If Carson's out for the first half or longer...well, we're screwed anyhow.

I agree 100%. If they are thinking trade, an impact defensive player would be the way to go. With the return of Williams and another year of maturity for Pollack, Odell, Ratliff, Askew, Smith, Fanene, Landon... they may not be far away from winning some games on defense. Krenzel may even be able to 'hold down the fort', until Palmer return, under those conditions.

I agree accept for the Krenzel part, I don't like Kitna we are a different O when he is in there. He does not have the arm to get the ball to Chad or Henry so he can walk, I always wanted to know why Marvin took Krenzel over Bramlet I thought by him going over to NFLE and all the good things they were saying in camp he even looked better to me in the preseason that he was here to stay he was in the O for a couple or 3 years I never understood that he would have been better to me than Krenzel.

I too was surprised they kept Krenzel over Bramlet. The only thing I can think of is that ML is confident he can build a defense like the Bears, or even the Ravens and he wanted a Trent Dilfer type guy to not make mistakes, if Carson went down. I was even surprised (pleasantly) when Marvin selected Carson as his first pick. I expected him to use the Baltimore blue print and build an awesome defense.

[derekshank]

Are we still talking about who's going to be the backup QB? Look guys... whoever the backup is... if he has to play a good portion of the season, it's all over anyway. There's no reason to keep talking about it.

Whether its Shaub, or McCown, or Kitna, or whoever, the point is, we won't want them to play much. If they have to play a lot our season is over... so I don't really see why we're still talking about it. We'll get who we get. Hopefully we won't have to pay a lot, or give anything up to get him... and hopefully he'll never see the field.