combatbengal Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I've been reading a lot of crap lately about Marvin Lewis. From how he screwed up here to how he messed up there. The bottom line is that he took us from the bottom of the barrel to a contender. Here are some facts about Marvin Lewis. 1. Lewis earned All-Big Sky Conference honors as a linebacker at Idaho State for three consecutive years (1978-80), and he also saw action at quarterback and free safety during his college career. 2. He was inducted into Idaho State's Hall of Fame in 2001.3. Lewis attended Fort Cherry High School in McDonald, Pa. (near Pittsburgh), where he was an all-conference quarterback and safety. He also earned high school letters in wrestling and baseball4. Lewis's 2000 defensive unit is regularly included when football people engage in conjecture about the best NFL defense of all time. The 2000 Ravens finished first in the NFL in fewest rushing yards allowed (970), rushing average allowed (2.7), total takeaways (49), fumble recoveries (26) and shutouts (4). 5. Lewis helped the Steelers defense rank among the top three in the NFL each season, and he guided the careers of some of the NFL's best linebackers, including Pro Bowl selections Kevin Greene, Chad Brown, Levon Kirkland and Greg Lloyd. Of Pittsburgh's 97 sacks over Lewis's last two seasons, the linebackers were credited with 63.5. 6 He drafted Palmer to the Bengals, who has helped turn us around!We have a coach now that has proven that he can get us to the top. If Palmer wouldn't of gotten injured, we'd still be playing today. So those of you who keep bashing him, GET OFF HIS Jock! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I've been reading a lot of crap lately about Marvin Lewis. From how he screwed up here to how he messed up there.Here? Where? If anything, IMHO there's been far too little questioning of Lewis, a reflection no doubt of the team's improved record since he came on board. But ultimately, the buck stops at his desk, and that buck is creeping inexhorably toward his office on several issues. For example, why can't Bratkowski run? Bob has been subject to criticism that he's pass-happy pretty much since day one. Why doesn't Marvin insist on more balance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Who's bashing him? (not being sarcastic, just haven't ready any Marvin bashing posts here)I'm not really concerned with what he did 8-10 years ago though, he's never been a HC before.Yet i've never been one to confuse competency with miracle workers and blind faith.If Marvin makes a questionable decision or has a bad game plan, I have no problem bringing it up.If that makes one a "Marvin basher" then oh well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I've been reading a lot of crap lately about Marvin Lewis. From how he screwed up here to how he messed up there.Here? Where? If anything, IMHO there's been far too little questioning of Lewis, a reflection no doubt of the team's improved record since he came on board. But ultimately, the buck stops at his desk, and that buck is creeping inexhorably toward his office on several issues. For example, why can't Bratkowski run? Bob has been subject to criticism that he's pass-happy pretty much since day one. Why doesn't Marvin insist on more balance? Ditto.Kinda like when LeBeau was head coach here. He let Duffner run his own defense instead of running the same stuff that was (and still is) successful at Pittsburgh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I'm not sure how much of a hand Marvin has in the offense. He did what he did make a decision to match his philosophies when fired Frazier, who liked the attacking style of D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combatbengal Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Why are we crying about our off. They were outstanding this year. Yes there is room for improvement, but we had one of the best in the NFL this past year. Our def was great with turnovers but they couldn't stop the run and couldn't tackle worth crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC_Bengals_Fan Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Why are we crying about our off. They were outstanding this year. Yes there is room for improvement, but we had one of the best in the NFL this past year. Our def was great with turnovers but they couldn't stop the run and couldn't tackle worth crap.I don't hear any crying, just fair questioning. The offense is great, yes - but to be a great team, you have to have balance, and you have to be able to grind out games. That ability is directly related to running the ball. Personally, I think they give up on the run too soon when they get behind, but that's just me.If Marvin's hands-off on the offense, he might need to assert himself a bit more with regard to philosophy - high-level stuff, not play calling.With regard to defense, I am interested to see what he's able to do with one more year. The run defense needs to get loads better ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Only a maniac would want Marv fired after the amazing job he has done. I can realistically say that I could stomach 4 losing season's in a row and still not want Marv fired. I will never forget the pre-Marvin era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybengalsfan Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Why are we crying about our off. They were outstanding this year. Yes there is room for improvement, but we had one of the best in the NFL this past year. Our def was great with turnovers but they couldn't stop the run and couldn't tackle worth crap.I don't hear any crying, just fair questioning. The offense is great, yes - but to be a great team, you have to have balance, and you have to be able to grind out games. That ability is directly related to running the ball. Personally, I think they give up on the run too soon when they get behind, but that's just me.If Marvin's hands-off on the offense, he might need to assert himself a bit more with regard to philosophy - high-level stuff, not play calling.With regard to defense, I am interested to see what he's able to do with one more year. The run defense needs to get loads better ASAP.I keep hearing about the run defense, but it was the pass offense that was horrible during the last half of the season. Yes, Madieu will help next year, but one person won't fix everything. James is losing a step, and was passed on at will. Actually, it seems like most of the teams were passing on us at will, as evidenced by the high completion rates of the opposing quarterbacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
combatbengal Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 KYBengal, I have to agree with you on our DB's. They were getting killed. Eventhough we hada butt load of takeaways, they were getting burnt. Plus they couldn't tackle a jr high kid! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I agree that James has definately lost a step. Is it possible that we take a chance on Antonio Cromartie early in Day 2 of the draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Oh I think a CB with some upside definitely has to be in their plans in the draft and/or FA, along with another safety...or two.After Deltha it's slim pickins' back there - Ratliff's a nice player and will hopefully improve with time still - but no way should they be penciling him into any starting CB spot unless someone's hurt.They also must think something of Brooks to keep him around this long, but hard to tell, obviously, if he can be a 3rd or 4th CB yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I agree that James has definately lost a step. Is it possible that we take a chance on Antonio Cromartie early in Day 2 of the draft? Yep, if that guy doesn't blow out his knee, he's a top #10 pick... Who knows, but CB is a need as well. I'm in the agreement of after Deltha, we are not as good as some might think...WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybengalsfan Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I agree that James has definately lost a step. Is it possible that we take a chance on Antonio Cromartie early in Day 2 of the draft? Yep, if that guy doesn't blow out his knee, he's a top #10 pick... Who knows, but CB is a need as well. I'm in the agreement of after Deltha, we are not as good as some might think...WHODEY !!!BTW, we might be forgetting our other safety, Kim Herring. Prior to his injury in training camp, he was looking very good at Georgetown; as a matter of fact, he was raising eyebrows the day I watch them this summer. But, I think old man age may be catching up with him...he is in his early 30's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiLBurn Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 I agree that James has definately lost a step. Is it possible that we take a chance on Antonio Cromartie early in Day 2 of the draft? Yep, if that guy doesn't blow out his knee, he's a top #10 pick... Who knows, but CB is a need as well. I'm in the agreement of after Deltha, we are not as good as some might think...WHODEY !!!Where's Dennis Weathersby when you need him? If he hadn't been injured, I think we would not be having this conversation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbusbengal Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 def was great with turnovers but they couldn't stop the run and couldn't tackle worth crap.The defense could stop the run. What they couldn't stop was the pass (particularly the short pass to tight ends) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 def was great with turnovers but they couldn't stop the run and couldn't tackle worth crap.The defense could stop the run. What they couldn't stop was the pass (particularly the short pass to tight ends) They couldn't stop the run in the first half of the season, and as they improved in that area, the pass defense began to falter. That can be credited to Tory getting burned and Ohalete not covering any tight ends well. Next year we'll have Madieu back, and perhaps Keiwan or a rookie will get more playing time and we'll see a vast improvement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I agree that our defense will get much better with the return of Madieu. I also think that drafting a cornerback is more of a need than people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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