HoosierCat Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 In watching the Game of the Week yesterday, Kitna's weakness in the vertical game was magnified with the replays of the two blown TD bombs to Housh and Chad. Both throws were not even 50 yards but were barely off timing. Throw them a split second earlier and both were TDs. Kitna can make those throws. And more work between him and the split wides on their timing should improve the results if needed.Hopefully, Carson's doctor did a better job on the knee reconstruction than he did on his hatchet job with the media and Carson will be in full swing by mid-season at the latest. If he's got to be inactive for 4 or 5 games into the season, I'd rather see the Bengals roll with Kitna to try to win a couple of those games and set the stage for Carson's return.Agreed. All the hating on Kit since last Sunday is unwarranted, IMHO. People seem to be in a rush to forget that this is the same guy who led a less-talented Bengals offense (no Henry, neither of the Perrys, no TJ) to an 8-8 record (and that despite a worse D than this years'). He has his flaws, but no more so than Huard or Couch or any of the other names proffered.As for Matt Schaub, it's an interesting idea. Hate to lose that second round pick, tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Forget Schuab give us the more experienced Jamie Martin in St. Louis. Zampese has a good relationship with him still supposably.And the Bengals' have shown interest in him according to reports.I am all for getting Kitna out of here, I've seen his act too long - any competent/experienced QB should do well with all the weapons here.Kitna is garbage. He may throw 20 TD's in this offense, but he'll throw 20 INT's as well - no suprise he's a 500 QB. His skills are declining as he rots on the bench.Would love to see Martin come in here honestly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincy9275 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 One factor that should enter into the Bengals decision at QB is Carson's expressed wish for Kitna to be re-signed. I would think Kitna might be worth the money just for the support he would provide during Carson's rehab. My guess would be that it would have a lot more positive impact than any free agent, cut QB, traded QB, drafted QB who was brought in just to plug the hole and maybe chuck the ball 10 yards farther downfield.In watching the Game of the Week yesterday, Kitna's weakness in the vertical game was magnified with the replays of the two blown TD bombs to Housh and Chad. Both throws were not even 50 yards but were barely off timing. Throw them a split second earlier and both were TDs. Kitna can make those throws. And more work between him and the split wides on their timing should improve the results if needed.Hopefully, Carson's doctor did a better job on the knee reconstruction than he did on his hatchet job with the media and Carson will be in full swing by mid-season at the latest. If he's got to be inactive for 4 or 5 games into the season, I'd rather see the Bengals roll with Kitna to try to win a couple of those games and set the stage for Carson's return.But if the Bengals can get Matt Schaub for a #2, do it and cut Krenzel.why are you hating on krenzel all the guy does is win . is it because he is a buckeye and a national champion or is it that 4th and 1 touchdown pass to win the game. that is what i mean he doesn't have a great game but when it is time to win he gets it done and you can't hate for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2290916Carson's Doc clears up his statements...A Big WHODEY !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walzav29 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 There are 2 things I don't get about any Kitna talk.1. Does Marvin even ant Kitna? Even after Kitna's greatest year ever he sent him right to the bench.2. I have a hard time believing that teams are lining up for an old rag armed Kitna. I hope he does go to the Ravens, so the Bengals can recover 4 fumbles a year from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2290916Carson's Doc clears up his statements...A Big WHODEY !!!I'll second that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buck3y3d Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 If all the reports are true, about the damage to Palmers knee, it may very well be more than the first few games. If you guys think they are going to rush him back you are nuts. So I believe we need a guy who is a starting calibre QB to play here. How about a guy who is at the end of his career, who is going to be forced out for the QB of the future, and is going to want to prove to everyone (including his old team) that he can still play. What better weapons is a free agent QB going to find? My choice for the guy we should sign to a 2 year deal. He can play next year until CP is back then retire or hold the clip board the next year. BRETT FAVRE IN ORANGE AND BLACK!!!!Do you honestly believe Favre would come to Cincy?Do you honestly believe we have enough money in cap room with all our needs to pay Favre to hold a clip board?1. schaub2. warner3. krenzel yes i said krenzel he is a playmaker . he's young he knows our ofense he is a leader and his is very mobile not a runner but he can move. we could use him like the steelers use ben. he won 3 of 5 games as a rookie on the sorry ass bears .with the talent we have he could lead this team untill carson is ready.Schaub would be ideal, but he is a starter somewhere, especially once he hits FA in a couple years.Krenzel won with defense, he had a QB rating sub-60, and was terrible. This is from an Ohio State fan. Please don't suggest that Krenzel is a viable candidate. He is hear to hold the clip board and act like a coach which is a good role for him. I again think the Bengals front office wants to spend less than 2.5 million on a backup QB. I don't see Warner making that little. Maybe, but he played decently this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayaker0678 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 K wash for Mat Shaub Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Forget Schaub and Volek...They will both be looked at as starters...lateral moves from one teams #2 to another teams #2 QB would not happen for those guys....too high a price for lateral movement...Look for Kitna and Martin to possibly battle it out in FA.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC203 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Tim Couch will be cheap, he will try to prove he is a starter again. He has a rebuilt sholder and our O line will protect him. I say sign him for 1 year he will be better than Kitna. We don't need to waste a draft pick on a QB or pay someone who no one else wants, before Marvin came that is what would have took place. I dont know why we are so worried anyway, Carson will be back before pre season is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Tim Couch will be cheap, he will try to prove he is a starter again. He has a rebuilt sholder and our O line will protect him. I say sign him for 1 year he will be better than Kitna. We don't need to waste a draft pick on a QB or pay someone who no one else wants, before Marvin came that is what would have took place. I dont know why we are so worried anyway, Carson will be back before pre season is done.Couch coming to the Bengals would be a big fat Christmas present to him. We wouldn't need him for more than half of the season... so he wouldn't have to worry too much about getting injured. He would be playing for one of the best offenses in the league until Carson gets back, so he could play even marginally well on a 1 year contract, and a bunch of teams out there would be willing to throw money at him to see if he can play that well for their team.I don't know if that is the best situation for the Bengals... but I imagine that Couch has to be hoping and praying that the situation works out like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Keep dreaming about Schaub.There is basically no chance Schaub comes here.They know the Vick experiment is failing and need a steady QB with skills right there behind him. No way does ATL let him go. No way.As for Kit haters, it is nice to reminisce about his 2003 season but that and $.05 won't get you a bowl of soup in this league. He CURRENTLY does not have the kind of skills needed to run this offense for any more than 6-8 wins...I'd prefer not start next season in the hole until Carson is ready.Krenzel is a big ? mark. I'd prefer a more known qty. Volek, he'ss get a shot to start,. even in TN. All the Brooks bashing is just opinion. The dude is not stupid. Thye run a comparable system there but no RB and crap lineman have him running too much. To deny his arm and vision is ignorant. I guess Joe Horn throws all those TD's to himself?Huard, is a benchwarmer, after checking him out. Not who you hand the keys to the Ferrari. There may be a draft gem but again, this team needs experience and skills. Couch may be just better than Kitna but until I see him in pre-season in stripes my vote is for Brooks (not that it matters to anyone, especially the Bengals staff!). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 I agree with kingwilly. I think that Brooks is the best option, and saying that he sucks and that you would rather have Tim Couch is kind of ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted January 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Aaron Brooks would be a good option if he is willing to accept that he will have to learn to crawl before he can walk with the NFL starters again. If you were in NO and were receiving criticism like that for basically your entire career when you were putting up good numbers and your defense essentially failed you and the offense the entire time, I would think that he has a right to be kinda surly.I would like to see Kit stay, though...he is my favorite Bengal, after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted January 17, 2006 Report Share Posted January 17, 2006 Aaron Brooks would be a good option if he is willing to accept that he will have to learn to crawl before he can walk with the NFL starters again. If you were in NO and were receiving criticism like that for basically your entire career when you were putting up good numbers and your defense essentially failed you and the offense the entire time, I would think that he has a right to be kinda surly.I would like to see Kit stay, though...he is my favorite Bengal, after all. I say the same thing about Brooks that I did about Couch. Any playing time he could get in cincy would be his best shot at being viewed as a legitimate starter again. I wouldn't mind seeing Brooks here as a backup, except that it would almost certainly be short term. Even though he is extremely athletic, he makes very poor decisions. The only chance he would have is to be in a system that makes it very difficult for him to make the big mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalNation1281 Posted January 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 After looking at the list of free agent QBs, I have whittled my choices down to these names:Josh McCownKurt WarnerJamie MartinChris WeinkeAaron Brooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 After looking at the list of free agent QBs, I have whittled my choices down to these names:Josh McCownKurt WarnerJamie MartinChris WeinkeAaron Brooks I like this list.McCown - We all saw the huge numbers he was putting up with Boldin and Fitzgerald. I think he could have similar success with our receivers, especially with the beneifit of a running game he never had in Arizona.Warner - No thanks, he seems washed up and just blech.Martin - I don't know much about him but he seemed like a solid game manager with the Rams. Playing under Bob BratMartz could do him well.Weinke - Who? I've honestly never heard of this one.Brooks - He has put up solid numbers in his career, but all those wacky "Not Top Ten" plays he has been responsible for leave a bad taste in my mouth.A couple more...Frerotte - I'm not sure he'll even be available, but he could have some success in a reunion with Bratkowski.Schaub - I think this guy is very overrated. He will likely get looked at for a possible starting job, but I expect that plan to flop for whomever takes him. I vote no!Over all the options mentioned above... Kitna still seems to be the best bet in my opinion. I expect him to stick around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
futurebengal08 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 I like Weinke for some reason...he did a nice job stepping in for Delhomme earlier this year and getting a late drive together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tasher Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 Remember, the title of this thread is "if Kitna leaves..." so the assumption is that Kitna (did I get that right?) chooses not to, does not get an offer here, or whatever... so whoever does come in here will be a gray haired old guy, because none of the younger, self-centered starter-wannabees are going to come in knowing that Carson is the man. I doubt that anyone takes a chance that carson does not make it back for the opener or even early in the season.So...Schwab (or whatever...) OUTGriese (IMHO) OUTBrooks OUT (really, do you want this mistake prone QB running this high powered offiese?) Didn't think so.Possible suspects:Ferrotte,Martin,Weinke (former Florida State QB, for those wondering who Weinke is, was)...and maybe a few others that hit the cap casualty/waiver wire...just my2sense worth oh and BTW, O delicious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 The city of Cincinnati will crucify Gus Frerotte before he puts on a Bengal uniform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kayaker0678 Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 how about jay feidler or maybe i know this is a sin but tommy maddox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 We will not have anotehr go 'round with Frerotte. No way, no how.Schaub is not a FA. Not really an opiton unless a trade could be arranged. not likely.Martin/McCown - maybe's...they have game experience and good arms.Brooks has been my pick, once he's cut. I'm not worried about his mistakes, as this system puts a premium on arm strength, whiihc Kit lacks.Another option may be to draft someone...QB who could be had down the list in the draft:Drew Olsen...UCLA..great career and noone is talking about him...Brodie Coyle...Alabama....toigh but injured a bunch...good arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted January 18, 2006 Report Share Posted January 18, 2006 how about jay feidler or maybe i know this is a sin but tommy maddox No thanks on Turnover Tommy, but Feidler would seem like a good option. He'd be in about the same mold as Kitna though, without as much knowlege of the offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJ29 Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Fiedler isn't a star by any stretch of the imagination, but I think he can get the job done. He's steady.As for Maddox.... No. I can think about 15 reasons off of the top of my head. I don't feel like listing them all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted January 19, 2006 Report Share Posted January 19, 2006 Rook wise, Saturday will showcase some Day 2 type and rookie free agent QBs who might be worth at least a spin through camp.East West Shrine Game: 4 EDT on ESPN 2EAST1. #5 Bruce Gradkowski2. #7 Tarvaris Jackson3. #14 Brett BasnaezWEST1. #1 Reggie McNeal2. #13 Paul Pinegar3. #14 Drew OlsonAlso on Saturday is the Hula Bowl at 7 EDT on ESPN 2EAST1. #4 Josh Betts2. #12 Brett ElliottWEST1. #1 Barrick Nealy2. #10 Cory Hodges3. #16 Brad Smith Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.