DDN's Chick Ludwig Slams VonKneeCapper, Bengals response

[CT Stiller]

bickering back and forth with stool trolls doesnt accomplish a damn thing.

Ignore them completely... they dont deserve our attention at all...

Best way to settle any arguments is let the teams do it on the field.

agree 100%

Still wanted to add my 2 cents tho

In that case I guess I'm the winner

[CT Stiller]

That can be explained by the fact that you are a stealer fan and have much lower standards as what constitutes dirty ..... or even chippy ( and yeah I know what it means without looking it up ).

I not only remember the hit on Anderson that Ludwig refers to, I also remember Curtis getting clotheslined .. while he wasn't looking of course .... and one of your jacks ( don't remember if it was lambert or ham ) looking down at an injured Max Montoya and saying " I hope you die " .... Yep direct quote.

Team has been just chock full of top of the line human beings for at least the last 20 some odd years, and in Kimo ... I guess the legacy lives on.

I wouldn't even mind the stealers being dirty, except they whine their asses off and demand fines and investigations every time the Raiders beat them at their own game. Remember Knoll pointing his finger and lecturing after a Raider win ?? Or can't you remember Knoll ?? You are right about the " bully " aspect of stealers play tho ..... they can dish it out ... but they can't take it.

Oh ... one last thing ... yeah Kimos hit on Palmer was a cheap ... intentional shot and Thurmans on the burgerking wasn't. Not because I'm a homer but because Thurmans momentum carried him into burger as he was falling after being intentionally tripped by your center * please note the absence of a knee grab as burger was able to spin away. Kimo was legally blocked and on the ground when he lunged at Palmers knee and wrapped his arm around the leg so that Palmer wouldn't be able to spin away from the hit.

* sorry that the trip on Thurman wasn't listed with all the other dirty plays from your team. It's kinda hard to keep all of them from running together. If you don't think it was intentional, watch the film and note how the center turns his head to look at Thurman before sticking out his leg to trip him.

Case closed and last hit on this particular dead horse.

Yeah, you sure showed me and then closed out the conversation with your genius, too. Brilliant on your part. So, now the Thurman hit has morphed its way into a dirty play BY A STEELER? Now THAT'S hilarious. Are the Pittsburgh Steelers to blame for the Holocaust too? How about that Titanic? I think they shot Reagan as well, but that's just my theory.

Good post, dummy.

[cincy9275]

it was a revenge hit on palmer,they thought Odell's hit on big bitch was low. after all the fuss they made about the hit it is just to much of a coincidence to think it was unintentional . if i was stienbach i would have done something to get kemo back. there comes a time to walk away and there comes a time where you have to fight . the Bengals choose to walk away i would have choose to fight . you can let people walk over you like that . we learned a lesson that day what the steelers are all about . now we know that they are a dirty team . and you fight fire with fire .payback is a bitch and we will have ours very soon . and everyone thought oj was a nice guy until he cut his wife's head off

[oldschooler]

That can be explained by the fact that you are a stealer fan and have much lower standards as what constitutes dirty ..... or even chippy ( and yeah I know what it means without looking it up ).

I not only remember the hit on Anderson that Ludwig refers to, I also remember Curtis getting clotheslined .. while he wasn't looking of course .... and one of your jacks ( don't remember if it was lambert or ham ) looking down at an injured Max Montoya and saying " I hope you die " .... Yep direct quote.

Team has been just chock full of top of the line human beings for at least the last 20 some odd years, and in Kimo ... I guess the legacy lives on.

I wouldn't even mind the stealers being dirty, except they whine their asses off and demand fines and investigations every time the Raiders beat them at their own game. Remember Knoll pointing his finger and lecturing after a Raider win ?? Or can't you remember Knoll ?? You are right about the " bully " aspect of stealers play tho ..... they can dish it out ... but they can't take it.

Oh ... one last thing ... yeah Kimos hit on Palmer was a cheap ... intentional shot and Thurmans on the burgerking wasn't. Not because I'm a homer but because Thurmans momentum carried him into burger as he was falling after being intentionally tripped by your center * please note the absence of a knee grab as burger was able to spin away. Kimo was legally blocked and on the ground when he lunged at Palmers knee and wrapped his arm around the leg so that Palmer wouldn't be able to spin away from the hit.

* sorry that the trip on Thurman wasn't listed with all the other dirty plays from your team. It's kinda hard to keep all of them from running together. If you don't think it was intentional, watch the film and note how the center turns his head to look at Thurman before sticking out his leg to trip him.

Case closed and last hit on this particular dead horse.

Yeah, you sure showed me and then closed out the conversation with your genius, too. Brilliant on your part. So, now the Thurman hit has morphed its way into a dirty play BY A STEELER? Now THAT'S hilarious. Are the Pittsburgh Steelers to blame for the Holocaust too? How about that Titanic? I think they shot Reagan as well, but that's just my theory.

Good post, dummy.

Uggggh, actually that was a GREAT post.

Yeah you could say that tripping a player is "dirty". I`m sure that if

the officials would have caught it at the time...there would have been

a flag thrown on Hartings instead of Odell.

And no the Steelers aren`t responspible for the stuff you listed.

But they are responsible for taking alot of welfare money from

Steelers fans spending it on Steelers paraphernalia and

Terrible Toilet Paper though !

[NJ29]

..... they can dish it out ... but they can't take it.

Bingo. That fingers my hatred for the Steelers.

[HairOnFire]

What you refuse to see is that the Steelers ARE physical between the whistles.

Yeah, physical between the whistles. Unprofessional. Low class play unworthy of a champion. Chippy.

BTW, your team isn't being described as chippy just by Tom Jackson. The term was used the other night on HBO's Inside the NFL. And just for the record, the debate over whether the Steelers are a dirty team continued all week on local ESPN Radio programming in the Los Angeles area. Callers seemed evenly split.

So, should I e-mail you my address so that you can send me the $20 you now owe me?

[HairOnFire]

I don't condone Porter's words, he's a loudmouth. But it's nothing but his opinion. Will it bite us on the ass? No, because it doesn't affect the game in the slightest.

That's just more self serving stupidity....something that's becoming a habit for you. Porter's punk behavior goes beyond words and opinions. His pregame midfield ritual has resulted in fights, ejections, and rule changes that require officials to stand at midfield like zebra-striped babysitters.

Think about that for a moment.

Then ask yourself why your coaching staff doesn't take any action against Porter.

And just for the record, you are indeed condoning Porter's actions by defending the chippy unprofessional play that is commonplace at every Steeler game. And the reason you condone the unprofessionalism is due to the fact that the Steelers win often enough to make you more than willing to look the other way.

No, that's not quite true, is it? You don't look away. You actually support unprofessional behavior. After all, you just admitted that you like to see physical play between the whistles.

Sheesh, it's no wonder so many fans think it's plausible that a Steeler player deliberately injured another player. It's just one more thing, right?

If you want to believe the Steelers are a dirty team, be my guest. I don't see proof of it anywhere. Perhaps you see the Steelers' intensity as something that's lacking on your own team, and it bothers you, so you have to throw empty accusations at them.

You might have a valid point if I were the only one making the claim. But again, the description of the Steelers as a chippy unprofessional team seems to be accepted nationwide as it's been mentioned on ESPN, HBO, et cetera. And the last time I checked neither of those sources were directly linked to the Bengals.

[membengal]

Nothing better than watching HoF inexorably and patiently beat the s**t out of a troll with logic and fact.

[bengals4ever]

What you refuse to see is that the Steelers ARE physical between the whistles.

Yeah, physical between the whistles. Unprofessional. Low class play unworthy of a champion. Chippy.

BTW, your team isn't being described as chippy just by Tom Jackson. The term was used the other night on HBO's Inside the NFL. And just for the record, the debate over whether the Steelers are a dirty team continued all week on local ESPN Radio programming in the Los Angeles area. Callers seemed evenly split.

So, should I e-mail you my address so that you can send me the $20 you now owe me?

I think someone owes you $20. Nice job!!!

[JPW]

IMHO ...

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It was clearly a dirty hit ...

Not because it was low or was late or any of that, but because of the way in which it was done.

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Seymour hit Palmer low last season when he had been blocked to the ground.

But he let go as soon as Palmer was falling ...

Thurman hit Ben low this season when he was tripped coming across the line.

But he let go as soon as Ben was falling ...

Kimo not only did not let go, he lifted his left arm up, with the elbow back, and used his arm for extra leverage as he held the front of Palmer's leg and twisted his right shoulder into the knee, his left arm going backwards as he snapped his right shoulder forward.

He had to know that this combination of holding the leg and snapping his shoulder into it would almost certainly cause a major injury to Palmer's knee.

It was a dirty hit ...

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On top of that, there are reports that the entire Steelers' bench was celerbrating the injury.

If that is true ...

You have to wonder if it wasn't Cowher himself who planted the seed in his player's heads ?

Was hurting Palmer one of the team goals for the game ?

If not then tell me, just what the hell was the whole team cheering about ?

There is no way to prove any of this, unless of course one of the Steelers would be man enough to admit it, but there really isn't any need to prove it.

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In spite of their smoke screens ...

I am sure that even Steeler fans suspect that at least some of this is true, and that many of them have a real uneasy feeling down deep inside of them about it.

Not because of fear of retaliation, there isn't any need for the Bengals to stoop to their level.

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Karma is a One Very Strict Bitch ...

Even Steeler fans have to know deep down inside, that if there is any truth to this at all, it is only a matter of time till that Bitch comes down on their team with both feet.

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It would be better if the NFL would deal with this, at least look into it, but it seems like they are covering up even the side lines celerbrating.

But the NFL turning a blind eye to it because it is "The Steelers" doesn't change anything.

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Some place, some time and in some manner the Steelers will get their pay-back, with out the Bengals lifting a finger to bring it about.

That pay-back will be along the magnitude of a career-ending-injury of their own star quarterback.

[CT Stiller]

What you refuse to see is that the Steelers ARE physical between the whistles.

Yeah, physical between the whistles. Unprofessional. Low class play unworthy of a champion. Chippy.

BTW, your team isn't being described as chippy just by Tom Jackson. The term was used the other night on HBO's Inside the NFL. And just for the record, the debate over whether the Steelers are a dirty team continued all week on local ESPN Radio programming in the Los Angeles area. Callers seemed evenly split.

So, should I e-mail you my address so that you can send me the $20 you now owe me?

No, but nice job looking it up.

Of course, they're discussing what people want to talk about. There are STeelers haters everywhere.

Uggggh, actually that was a GREAT post.

Yeah you could say that tripping a player is "dirty". I`m sure that if

the officials would have caught it at the time...there would have been

a flag thrown on Hartings instead of Odell.

You're the absolute biggest homer I've ever seen. You have no credibility after your Chad Johnson posts. I think CJ could beat an old woman, stick a puppy in a freezer for a week and piss all over the Washington Monument and you'd come up with an excuse for each and find some way to absolve him.

[CT Stiller]

I don't condone Porter's words, he's a loudmouth. But it's nothing but his opinion. Will it bite us on the ass? No, because it doesn't affect the game in the slightest.

That's just more self serving stupidity....something that's becoming a habit for you. Porter's punk behavior goes beyond words and opinions. His pregame midfield ritual has resulted in fights, ejections, and rule changes that require officials to stand at midfield like zebra-striped babysitters.

Think about that for a moment.

Then ask yourself why your coaching staff doesn't take any action against Porter.

Which part of "I don't condone Porter's words, he's a loudmouth." did you not understand genius? Calling me stupid and then just repeating what I say makes you doubly as stupid, doesn't it? And those rule changes and fights you refer to are a result of Ray Lewis' "Punk" behavior as much as anything else. I wonder if you have a problem with him? The coaching staff takes action when they see fit. He's been disciplined in the past. But if you think that refelects so much on the caching staff perhaps you should take a look at the Bengals staff as well. You're in no position to throw stones with a Chad Johnson on your team.

And just for the record, you are indeed condoning Porter's actions by defending the chippy unprofessional play that is commonplace at every Steeler game. And the reason you condone the unprofessionalism is due to the fact that the Steelers win often enough to make you more than willing to look the other way.

A.) Well I said I don't condone Porter's words, not actions, and we were talking about something entirely different, but B.) you can generalize all you want and say "every Steeler game" in the hopes that it strengthens your argument, but it's a completely false and empty accusation, so there's not reason to even attempt to dispute it.

No, that's not quite true, is it? You don't look away. You actually support unprofessional behavior. After all, you just admitted that you like to see physical play between the whistles.

"Between in the whistles" means during the play. After the whistle, between the whistles, before the whistle doesn't matter, I don't support unprofessional behavior. Although I don't gasp in horror when there's some pushing and shoving either, it's an emotional game and it shows they team is playing with some passion. Few football fans do

Sheesh, it's no wonder so many fans think it's plausible that a Steeler player deliberately injured another player. It's just one more thing, right?

The operative word here being "fans" as in "Bengals fans" who have been crying all week about it being a dirty hit. Those are the people who now think it's plausible because they want to blame someone, something for their team getting straight-up flattened. It's no wonder to me either. It's a shame that so many people have to resort to whining and crying about it. Tarnishes the image of a franchise on the rise if you ask me.

If you want to believe the Steelers are a dirty team, be my guest. I don't see proof of it anywhere. Perhaps you see the Steelers' intensity as something that's lacking on your own team, and it bothers you, so you have to throw empty accusations at them.

You might have a valid point if I were the only one making the claim. But again, the description of the Steelers as a chippy unprofessional team seems to be accepted nationwide as it's been mentioned on ESPN, HBO, et cetera. And the last time I checked neither of those sources were directly linked to the Bengals.

Tom Jackson and Chris Collinsworth are linked to Cincinnati and the Bengals, respectively, genius.

Nothing better than watching HoF inexorably and patiently beat the s**t out of a troll with logic and fact.

What are you, his girlfriend?

IMHO ...

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It was clearly a dirty hit ...

Not because it was low or was late or any of that, but because of the way in which it was done.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Seymour hit Palmer low last season when he had been blocked to the ground.

But he let go as soon as Palmer was falling ...

Thurman hit Ben low this season when he was tripped coming across the line.

But he let go as soon as Ben was falling ...

Kimo not only did not let go, he lifted his left arm up, with the elbow back, and used his arm for extra leverage as he held the front of Palmer's leg and twisted his right shoulder into the knee, his left arm going backwards as he snapped his right shoulder forward.

He had to know that this combination of holding the leg and snapping his shoulder into it would almost certainly cause a major injury to Palmer's knee.

It was a dirty hit ...

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On top of that, there are reports that the entire Steelers' bench was celerbrating the injury.

If that is true ...

You have to wonder if it wasn't Cowher himself who planted the seed in his player's heads ?

Was hurting Palmer one of the team goals for the game ?

If not then tell me, just what the hell was the whole team cheering about ?

There is no way to prove any of this, unless of course one of the Steelers would be man enough to admit it, but there really isn't any need to prove it.

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In spite of their smoke screens ...

I am sure that even Steeler fans suspect that at least some of this is true, and that many of them have a real uneasy feeling down deep inside of them about it.

Not because of fear of retaliation, there isn't any need for the Bengals to stoop to their level.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Karma is a One Very Strict Bitch ...

Even Steeler fans have to know deep down inside, that if there is any truth to this at all, it is only a matter of time till that Bitch comes down on their team with both feet.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

It would be better if the NFL would deal with this, at least look into it, but it seems like they are covering up even the side lines celerbrating.

But the NFL turning a blind eye to it because it is "The Steelers" doesn't change anything.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Some place, some time and in some manner the Steelers will get their pay-back, with out the Bengals lifting a finger to bring it about.

That pay-back will be along the magnitude of a career-ending-injury of their own star quarterback.

Jesus dude, you need to lay off the X-Files for a while. Karma may be a bitch but it seems as though that Paranoia you have there ain't so hot either.

[HairOnFire]

What you refuse to see is that the Steelers ARE physical between the whistles.

Yeah, physical between the whistles. Unprofessional. Low class play unworthy of a champion. Chippy.

BTW, your team isn't being described as chippy just by Tom Jackson. The term was used the other night on HBO's Inside the NFL. And just for the record, the debate over whether the Steelers are a dirty team continued all week on local ESPN Radio programming in the Los Angeles area. Callers seemed evenly split.

So, should I e-mail you my address so that you can send me the $20 you now owe me?

No, but nice job looking it up.

Of course, they're discussing what people want to talk about. There are STeelers haters everywhere.

I figured you wouldn't back your boast. Twenty bucks is probably more than a guy like you can afford to lose. After all, your mama still needs her cigarettes, right?

Regardless, there may be Steeler haters everywhere, but that's a far different point than the one you were trying to make about ESPN's criticism being centered around a Cincinnati native like Tom Jackson. The fact of the matter remains that the subject of Steeler dirty play has been a week long topic of discussion thousand of miles away from Cincy, and was probably repeated anywhere that people discuss professionalism and ethics in sports. Granted, this almost certainly excludes Pittsburgh and it's surrounding areas.

After the whistle, between the whistles, before the whistle doesn't matter, I don't support unprofessional behavior. Although I don't gasp in horror when there's some pushing and shoving either, it's an emotional game and it shows they team is playing with some passion.

In one sentence you claim you don't support unprofessional behavior. In the next sentence you claim it shows a team is playing with passion.

Sheesh, you want to have things both ways so badly that you can't stop talking out of both sides of your mouth for an entire paragraph.

[HairOnFire]

And those rule changes and fights you refer to are a result of Ray Lewis' "Punk" behavior as much as anything else. I wonder if you have a problem with him? The coaching staff takes action when they see fit. He's been disciplined in the past.

I'm not sure if your argument is well served when you compare the punk behavior of Joey Porter to an accused killer. Besides, you're deliberately mistating the facts....as is your habit. Everyone knows the NFL changed the rules and assigned pregame babysitters at midfield after Porter got into a very predictable fight with William Green and several Brownie players.

Most importantly, if Steeler coaches have taken action against Porter's antics, and yet he continues doing them, what does that say about the level of discipline demanded by Bill Cowher? Doesn't it imply that the action taken wasn't serious, and was little more than window dressing? Or if you prefer, a slap on the wrist meant to look like something was being done when in reality the punishment is so minor that it is seen as defacto approval?

Face the facts Steelerboy, chippy play has been officially condoned by the Steeler franchise, and as a result accusations of downright dirty play aren't out of the question.

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[CT Stiller]

I figured you wouldn't back your boast. Twenty bucks is probably more than a guy like you can afford to lose. After all, your mama still needs her cigarettes, right?

Regardless, there may be Steeler haters everywhere, but that's a far different point than the one you were trying to make about ESPN's criticism being centered around a Cincinnati native like Tom Jackson. The fact of the matter remains that the subject of Steeler dirty play has been a week long topic of discussion thousand of miles away from Cincy, and was probably repeated anywhere that people discuss professionalism and ethics in sports. Granted, this almost certainly excludes Pittsburgh and it's surrounding areas.

I don't know, like I've said before I don't live in Pittsburgh. But in the NY metro area I haven't been hearing too much about it.

After the whistle, between the whistles, before the whistle doesn't matter, I don't support unprofessional behavior. Although I don't gasp in horror when there's some pushing and shoving either, it's an emotional game and it shows they team is playing with some passion.

In one sentence you claim you don't support unprofessional behavior. In the next sentence you claim it shows a team is playing with passion.

Sheesh, you want to have things both ways so badly that you can't stop talking out of both sides of your mouth for an entire paragraph.

I won't even bother, you obviously don't see a difference and you probably never will until the Bengals become a legitimate contender. At which time you'll look back and think "what was I thinking?" Thank God you're not running the NFL. Guys would be ejected for looking at each other the wrong way.

[HairOnFire]

I won't even bother, you obviously don't see a difference and you probably never will until the Bengals become a legitimate contender.

The next time you're in Cincy ask to see the division championship trophy. And as for being a legitimate contender, here's the asterick your team was awarded after winning a game due to a questionable hit.

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[HairOnFire]

Thank God you're not running the NFL. Guys would be ejected for looking at each other the wrong way.

I see you're still drastically overstating things in an ongoing attempt to defend unprofessional play. So what are the odds the next thing you bother writing is how you don't condone chippy play or cheap hits. Because so far you've attempted to have it both ways.

BTW, I remember when one of the first things coaches taught players was how to act after a play was over.

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