derekshank Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 I know he lives on the west coast, so he's probably not even done for the day, but if anyone hears anything at all, be sure to post it. I don't have time to go surfing for it today. Thanks guys. Quote
HoosierCat Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 My sources say that he's in the hospital parking garage, in his truck, concentrating on wiggling his big toe.After that...he's going to "Kill Chad." Quote
BengalsOwn Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 He wasn't even going to be flying home until tomorrow I think.He wouldn't be rehabbing already anyways.When I had a tendon in my hand put back together they made me wait at least 2 weeks (I forget exactly how long) before they let me move it, for fear of it snapping apart again.They definitely wouldn't be rushing Carson into any kind of rehab this quickly, other than possibly massage therapy (for the muscles around the knee) or something... Quote
derekshank Posted January 12, 2006 Author Report Posted January 12, 2006 He wasn't even going to be flying home until tomorrow I think.He wouldn't be rehabbing already anyways.When I had a tendon in my hand put back together they made me wait at least 2 weeks (I forget exactly how long) before they let me move it, for fear of it snapping apart again.They definitely wouldn't be rushing Carson into any kind of rehab this quickly, other than possibly massage therapy (for the muscles around the knee) or something...Well, I heard that the rehab starts today.This of course doesn't mean things like running backwards on it. It means things like trying to be able to bend the knee 90 degrees, and being able to move it smoothly. My doctor had me doing these kinds of things the day after my ACL surgery. I guess we probably won't hear much on the progress until much later on... but I'm pretty anxious to hear anything that is reported. Even if it only has to do with wiggling his big toe, and killing Chad. Quote
BengalsOwn Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 Palmer plans to start his rehab Thursday at the Kerlan-Jobe Orthopedic Center near his home in Orange County in California. Quote
oldschooler Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 Conflicting reports...Palmer is to fly to Los Angeles Friday to begin his rehabilitation at Kerlan-Jobe Orthopaedic Clinic.http://news.cincypost.com/apps/pbcs.dll/ar...08/1022/RSS0302 Quote
smith288 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 What exciting lives we lead...wanting up to the minute reports on Carson's progress after a whole day post surgery. Quote
dgrace4whodey Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 He wasn't even going to be flying home until tomorrow I think.He wouldn't be rehabbing already anyways.When I had a tendon in my hand put back together they made me wait at least 2 weeks (I forget exactly how long) before they let me move it, for fear of it snapping apart again.They definitely wouldn't be rushing Carson into any kind of rehab this quickly, other than possibly massage therapy (for the muscles around the knee) or something...He will start on Friday with rehab.When I had this surgery in APril they got me started same week with Range of Motion Machine not nearly 90 degrees more like 40. This is done 2-3 times a day for an hour at a time. This is at home, when you go to rehab the first week or so, you stretch the leg, do non weight bearing excercises like areobics, and then you put a machine on the swelling area along with ice to begin to bring the swelling down. Mainly for rehab you are doing range of motion for the first couple of weeks to get the leg stretched out. Quote
LABengalsFan09 Posted January 12, 2006 Report Posted January 12, 2006 He just got a happy ending..... Quote
dgrace4whodey Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2290239 Quote
clevelandbengal Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 I was at BW3's and watch watching NFL network and was reading the scrolling updates and they had report that Carson's doctor said " Carson's injury was devastating and potentially career ending". I dont want to start another rumor on this board but coming from NFL network it seems pretty reliable. Has anybody heard anything else like that? Quote
Stripes Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Quite the contrary. I heard the surgery went very well and Carson may recover faster than expected. Who knows. Quote
clevelandbengal Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 found this on another boardhttp://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/foot...mer.surgery.ap/'Potentially career-ending'Doctor says Palmer's knee injury worse than expectedPosted: Thursday January 12, 2006 7:22PM; Updated: Thursday January 12, 2006 7:22PMCarson Palmer was injured on this hit on his second play of his first playoff game.Andy Lyons/Getty Images RELATED • CHADIHA Bengals will get stronger CINCINNATI (AP) -- Carson Palmer's knee injury was "devastating and potentially career-ending," involving numerous ligament tears, a shredded ligament, damaged cartilage and a dislocated kneecap, his surgeon said Thursday.The Cincinnati Bengals quarterback tore ligaments in his left knee when he was hit by Pittsburgh's Kimo von Oelhoffen on his first pass during the Steelers' 31-17 playoff victory Sunday.The team announced that he had torn the anterior cruciate and medial collateral ligaments. The damage was much more extensive and severe, but Dr. Lonnie Paulos said surgery went well and Palmer could be back for the start of the season.Palmer had surgery Tuesday in Houston. Doctors used grafts from other parts of his body and donated tissue to fix the damage during an operation that lasted more than two hours. Palmer headed back to California on Thursday to do his rehabilitation."It's not just like it was a torn ACL," Paulos said Thursday, in a phone interview from Houston. "It's a magnitude more difficult to recover from and repair. It can and has ended careers, without a doubt."However, I feel very comfortable with Carson as an athlete and the heart that he's got. In the end, that's the bottom line. I can see the look in his eye already. He's ready to get going."Paulos, an orthopedic surgeon who has worked with the U.S. Ski Team since 1983, replaced the anterior cruciate ligament, which runs through the middle of the knee and provides stability. He said the medial collateral ligament, which runs along the side of the knee, was damaged "real bad.""On a scale of 1 to 3, it was a 4," he said. "It was off the chart. It was pretty badly damaged -- shredded is the better term."The kneecap dislocated when Palmer was hit, damaging tissue around it. There also was some cartilage damage, he said.Paulos was able to repair the knee without removing pieces of cartilage or soft tissue, a good sign."The things that were torn could be repaired," he said. "They were not torn beyond repair. So he's got all his parts in there, which is good. We're optimistic, actually."If rehabilitation goes well, Palmer could be running in a couple of months and might be able to play in the first regular season game, Paulos said. The 2006 schedule hasn't been set.Palmer has worn a protective brace on the left knee since he sprained it near the end of the 2004 season. The knee bowed inward on von Oelhoffen's hit even though Palmer was wearing the brace,"The brace didn't function well in this environment and should have done better than it did, frankly," Paulos said.The plan is for Palmer to wear more substantial braces on both knees when he returns."No brace is perfect," Paulos said. "No brace can prevent every injury, but they do help."Paulos saw the replay of the injury and wasn't surprised at the extent of the damage it caused. Palmer has absolved von Oelhoffen, saying he didn't think the lineman was trying to hurt him. The lineman said he was trying to sack Palmer, not injure him. He wasn't penalized for the hit.Palmer made the Pro Bowl in only his second season as a starter, throwing an NFL-leading 32 touchdown passes. The club extended his contract through the 2014 season.Jon Kitna, who has been Palmer's backup and mentor the last two years, can become a free agent. Palmer's injury will force the Bengals to make sure they have another reliable quarterback on board.Copyright 2005 Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Quote
dgrace4whodey Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Very true, all the networks are reporting it, including www.bengals.com Quote
HoosierCat Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Let's see...basically the story says that his doc says that it was potentially career ending but isn't and Carson will be back.Move on, nothing to see here.And yes the new thread title was my idea. Quote
Ox Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 http://www.bengals.com/news/news.asp?story_id=5019Doc optimistic Palmer can start seasonBy GEOFF HOBSONJanuary 12, 20066 p.m.Although his patient suffered what he called “severe ligament damage,” Carson Palmer’s surgeon is optimistic that the Bengals quarterback can return in time for the start of the regular season.Dr. Lonnie Paulos also said Thursday that much hinges on the next few months of rehab and how it heals, “things that are really out of my control and Carson’s control. We need to give it a few months. But he’s got an excellent chance to be back playing as well as he did before.”Paulos says the normal time frame for recovery for reconstructive knee surgery is nine to 12 months, but he thinks Palmer will be back “long before that,” even though he called it an atypical tear of the anterior cruciate ligament.“The knee cap slipped off to the side and caused some damage,” Paulos said. “It’s not the usual ACL tear, but we don’t believe this is going to be a career-ending injury. Really, it comes down to rehab and determination, and knowing Carson, he’s going to do what he has to do.”Palmer left for home Thursday to begin rehab in California after Paulos operated Tuesday at the Houston Medical Center.Paulos, 59, who is establishing the Baylor University Sports Medicine Clinic in Waco, Tex., surfaced as the surgeon once Palmer and his people told the Bengals they preferred an independent doctor rather than a team doctor to do the operation. The landscape in pro sports has changed since Paulos was literally on the cutting edge of sports medicine in Cincinnati a generation ago.“Now it’s a more involved process with the family, the agents, the team,” Paulos said. “I know the sports medicine community very well in Cincinnati and he’ll be well taken care of by the team with the Bengals. He’s in excellent hands.”The Bengals know Paulos well enough that they referred him to Palmer and Palmer decided to go with the recommendation. In 1978, Paulos and Dr. Frank Noyes formed Cincinnati’s first sports medicine clinic at One Lytle Place, where Paulos worked on some Bengals and Reds. It is Noyes, Paulos says, that did much of the definitive research on the ACL.“Frank showed that it was the athlete’s ligament,” Paulos said. “It’s the one that’s used for running and jumping and pivoting. He demonstrated that without it, you can’t do it. Before Frank did that work, people didn’t think the ACL was very important.”During the three–hour procedure to repair the ACL as well as the medial collateral ligament, Paulos grafted Palmer’s own tissue as well as tissue from organ donors to reconstitute and augment the damaged anatomy in the region between the tibia and femur.Palmer wore a brace on his knee since he sprained his MCL in the same knee back in December of 2004, and Paulos said he and the team could end up opting to wear a brace that provides more protection.Like everyone else, Paulos, who is a partner in the group that administers to the Texans and University of Houston, came away impressed with Palmer.“He’s bright, he’s committed, you can see it in his eyes,” he said.Yes, Paulos did look at the play before surgery, and watched Steelers defensive end Kimo von Oelhoffen’s hit on Palmer’s knee a few times.“Sometimes the speed of the play, the angle, can give you a better idea of what you’re going to find,” Paulos said. “But no matter how much you see it, you really don’t know until he’s asleep on the table and you go into the knee with the microscope.”And here’s a second opinion from the good doctor:“A clean hit,” Paulos said. “It was an accident. No athlete would ever do something to another athlete like that on purpose Quote
oldschooler Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 I lost track when I got to Ox`s signature pic ! What`s the topic again ? Quote
HoosierCat Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Paulos says the normal time frame for recovery for reconstructive knee surgery is nine to 12 months, but he thinks Palmer will be back “long before that,” even though he called it an atypical tear of the anterior cruciate ligament.“The knee cap slipped off to the side and caused some damage,” Paulos said. “It’s not the usual ACL tear, but we don’t believe this is going to be a career-ending injury. Really, it comes down to rehab and determination, and knowing Carson, he’s going to do what he has to do.”I swear, PFT is more accurate than espn these days... Quote
Ox Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 I swear, PFT is more accurate than espn these days... I know that made me laugh when I saw what he said. Directly contradicting each other.I lost track when I got to Ox`s signature pic ! What`s the topic again ? Wait till I post the rest of the series. Best looking stiller fan you've ever seen. Quote
HoosierCat Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 I swear, PFT is more accurate than espn these days... I know that made me laugh when I saw what he said. Directly contradicting each other.Welcome to Journalism 101. Today's lesson is "no one reads a happy headline." Quote
ShulaSteakhouse Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Yes, interesting difference between the ESPN article and the local ones.ESPN is really annoying.Any ways, only noteworthy news there is that the kneecap was indeed dislocated and the ligament damage was about as severe as it gets. Wonder why the opposite was reported just a day or so ago?Prognosis and recovery time is still the same, here's hoping for a late preseason return. Quote
BengalsOwn Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 I swear, PFT is more accurate than espn these days... I know that made me laugh when I saw what he said. Directly contradicting each other.I lost track when I got to Ox`s signature pic ! What`s the topic again ? Wait till I post the rest of the series. Best looking stiller fan you've ever seen.Post them! I can't resist a great ass! Quote
HoosierCat Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Any ways, only noteworthy news there is that the kneecap was indeed dislocated and the ligament damage was about as severe as it gets. Wonder why the opposite was reported just a day or so ago?Well, I would say, because they hadn't gone in and looked yet. Multiple reports noted that it was difficult to tell the extent of the damage right off, because the swelling with this type of injury means you can't see a lot even with an MRI. Which is why they usually let it sit for a week or so, so they can get a better look. My bet is that they figured that it was nastier than the first scan indicated, which is why they went ahead and cut him open; appears that was a smart move.Not to sound blase, but it is what it is. Even with the greater damage, the prognosis is positive, and that's probably the best we can hope for at this stage. FWIW, I think we will get a good idea of what the Bengals think about his knee in a bit more than two months, when draft day rolls around. It looks like a pretty good draft for QBs, and if you see them take one on day 1...well, then the freakout has some legs. Quote
WhoDey93285 Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Do we take a Qb 2 or 3 round? D.J. Shockley? Quote
HoosierCat Posted January 13, 2006 Report Posted January 13, 2006 Do we take a Qb 2 or 3 round? D.J. Shockley?Shrug. Like my mom used to say, cross that bridge when we come to it. We get into April and Palmer's on schedule -- and frankly that's what I expect at this point -- and perhaps you look at a QB in day 2 as a developmental project. After all, Kitna's not starter material and Krenzel...? So we could use someone anyhow.If the knee's not responding and they are worried, look for them to go QB as early as...1. (Omar Jacobs?) Quote
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