Palmer

[combatbengal]

I've read a few post about how Palmer is over rated and how some fans don't like him. If we didn't have him most or all of out outcomes would of been like yesterday. Kitna is through. That guy just sucks.He maybe a great back up that sits the bench, but he's no starter. If Palmer ever goes down, our season is over. In my opinion, Palmer is the real deal that can get things dones. Go Bengals, beat the steelers and maybe we'll have a chance to play those Colts again

[Stripes]

I don't think Kitna sucks. He was probably rusty, he had only throw the ball five times going into that game. Anyone that says Palmer is overrated (only fans from other AFC North teams would say that) are just being anti-Bengal for the sake of being anti-Bengal.

[combatbengal]

Kitna has been throwing the ball all year in practice. There is no rust there. He just sucks!

[BengalszoneBilly]

Kitna has been throwing the ball all year in practice. There is no rust there. He just sucks!

I'd venture a guess and say that throwing the ball in practice with your teammate buddies coming at you is quite different than throwing the ball in a real game with the pressure of a 300+ pound opposing player who's bearing great malice chasing you!

[cincy9275]

palmer is a beast who will get even better . kitna i think is not a good backup for one game he is better the more time he plays . i think he is more of a starter than a backup . we need someone who can come off the bench and score points and kitna is not the man to do that .

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Kitna was quite disappointing yesterday - he is making a lot of $ as a backup here for a reason - no excuses - he's been in this league for over 8 years, and in this system for over 3. He is getting paid to come in on short notice and be competent, not utterly awful like he was yesterday...realizing conditions were not ideal for him by any means, you have to at least throw accurately.

His floaters yesterday made me ill after watching Palmer make the same throws all year. Hell Kitna was terrible at the end of last season as well.

Do you keep Kitna if you can re-sign him? Or only if you can't find a suitable veteran QB to replace him?

Just get someone with a strong, accurate arm that can get the ball to these WR's - I don't care if it's a rookie or younger player. There's enough talent here that a less experienced QB can do well possibly...or a veteran QB with a better arm than Kitna certainly.

But if Kitna is resigned then so be it, there's just not much else out there unfortunately.

[membengal]

Kitna was quite disappointing yesterday - he is making a lot of $ as a backup here for a reason - no excuses - he's been in this league for over 8 years, and in this system for over 3. He is getting paid to come in on short notice and be competent, not utterly awful like he was yesterday...realizing conditions were not ideal for him by any means, you have to at least throw accurately.

His floaters yesterday made me ill after watching Palmer make the same throws all year. Hell Kitna was terrible at the end of last season as well.

Fantastic point. I had forgotten what a difference it is between Palmer and other quarterbacks. Throws I now take for granted were all of a sudden unavailable to the Bengals yesterday. It was a real eye-opener.

[BengalByTheBay]

While Kitna had a nice '03 season, he remains an interception machine. He has always been that way and running him in for a game or half a game will show you the worst, not the best, of his abilities IMO. He would improve with more reps., but nobody wants to see that. At any rate, he didn't have to start any games this year and, in effect, we made it through with Palmer which is a rarity in the NFL. I think we can afford to let him go after this season. He played a very significant role both last year and, to a lesser extent, this year, but CP is ready to go it alone now. One of the reasons to keep Kitna around was to help CP and that reason is now gone. He's made good coin for the last two years and nobody should feel bad about ending it this way. I think we need a pure backup at this point and we have the whole offseason to decide whether to draft one or go FA.

[bengals4ever]

While Kitna had a nice '03 season, he remains an interception machine. He has always been that way and running him in for a game or half a game will show you the worst, not the best, of his abilities IMO. He would improve with more reps., but nobody wants to see that. At any rate, he didn't have to start any games this year and, in effect, we made it through with Palmer which is a rarity in the NFL. I think we can afford to let him go after this season. He played a very significant role both last year and, to a lesser extent, this year, but CP is ready to go it alone now. One of the reasons to keep Kitna around was to help CP and that reason is now gone. He's made good coin for the last two years and nobody should feel bad about ending it this way. I think we need a pure backup at this point and we have the whole offseason to decide whether to draft one or go FA.

So everyone is against letting Krenzel have the backup role? He led the Bucks to the NC.

[membengal]

No, I want another back-up, one with a cannon for an arm.

[AGrizzlyBaer]

like said before anyone who says carson is overated is just as bad as anyone who says big ben is over rated, they are both very fine qb and will be good (baring injury) for years to come

[Kirkendall]

Kitna has been throwing the ball all year in practice. There is no rust there. He just sucks!

No he hasn't. A majority of all practice snaps, except last week, have gone to Palmer. But it's not like it matters right? Considering practice snaps are sooooo similar to game snaps, right? (only 5 attempts by Kitna before KC game).

Then again, it would have been nice if our o-line was completely intact where our guard ISNT our starting left tackle. Or if Rudi and Chris Perry had more than 28 total rushing yards between them. Or the pass that went through Schobel's hands for an INT would have actually been caught. Nah, none of that matters... it's Jon Kitna who "sucks" or an "interception machine" even though he's thrown more career touchdowns than interceptions.

Too many things went against Kitna for him to have a chance to win this game.

[BengalByTheBay]

I can only look at the 108 to 104 (TD/Int) ratio and my impressions of watching Kitna as a Bengal and before to rely on. So, yes, to me he is an interception machine. He gambles with throws and always has. No, the Schobel bobble-pick was not his fault -- I agree with you. However, I also wasn't bashing him either. Just saying we have to make a call on him for '06 and I think we should look elsewhere. You may not agree, but it's a legitimate opinion and a decision that will have to be made. He costs a lot of $$ for a backup.

Oh, and for the record, no I don't really like Krenzel either -- I think we can do better.

[combatbengal]

So you're trying to tell me that Kitna doesn't do anything during practice? He doesn't work with the number 1 Def? He doesn't take any snaps? Someone made a great point. The Bengals pay him to come off of the bench and produce. All he produces is int's! The linemen didn't throw those int's he did, so don't blame them.Palmer did fine with the sam guys in there! I'm not bashing Kitna. I've just never been a big fan of him.

[buck3y3d]

So you're trying to tell me that Kitna doesn't do anything during practice? He doesn't work with the number 1 Def? He doesn't take any snaps? Someone made a great point. The Bengals pay him to come off of the bench and produce. All he produces is int's! The linemen didn't throw those int's he did, so don't blame them.Palmer did fine with the sam guys in there! I'm not bashing Kitna. I've just never been a big fan of him.

You really won't find a better backup than Kitna in this league. Maybe a Kyle Boller could play backup, but who else would you want. The ageless wonder Doug Flutie? I just don't see a better player.

Kitna doesn't practice with the first team offense and why should he? He doesn't play, that waste important practice time on unimportant players.

I think Kitna would take less $$$ to stay in Cincy and I would certainly pay him. I never read an article where Carson is interviewed without him saying how much Kitna does for him. He is like a second QB coach. I don't know if I would match an offer for a million+, but anything around a million sounds like fair money to me.

You can't compare what Kitna did yesterday to what Palmer does.

[combatbengal]

I didn't say he takes snapes with the 1st string off. I said that he takes snaps against the 1st string def. The Bengals don't need a second qb coach out of Kitna. They need a guy who can come off the bench and perform to standards. Not a guy who throws int's and the game. I'm not saying that he threw the game, but he sure didn't help us compete in it. Sure he's help Palmer learn the role and the system but now he's not doing much of anything.

[buck3y3d]

I didn't say he takes snapes with the 1st string off. I said that he takes snaps against the 1st string def. The Bengals don't need a second qb coach out of Kitna. They need a guy who can come off the bench and perform to standards. Not a guy who throws int's and the game. I'm not saying that he threw the game, but he sure didn't help us compete in it. Sure he's help Palmer learn the role and the system but now he's not doing much of anything.

I'm not sure about him taking snaps against the 1st string defense (he didn't when I went to training camp, but I guess he could now).

List some names of who you want though? You won't find many guys better than Kitna to be a backup in my opinion. The Bengals aren't going to pay top dollar and I just don't know who you want. Most backups are int machines I guess. Think of Bengals QBs during the 90's (other than Boomer) and you have yourself the NFL backup.