It's Marvin's Fault Thread

[LB51]

It's amazing how quickly some idiots forget! Look where we are compared to where we have been. Jungleman, you would have given a testicle and your wife to be 11-4 and in the playoff 3,4,5,6,..........14 years ago. Now you're complaining and laying down expectations? Marvin lewis is the reason we are where we are. He came in here and changed the attitudes of ownership, players and this city. This team knows it can win now. There is some growing up that needs to happen in the locker room, but that will come. This team is still a year or 2 away from being an AFC Champion. The defense is too weak to take us there. And I mean in personnel, not scheme. Marvin is now gonna be able to sign quality "big name" free agents to help this D. People are gonna want to come here now. So stop the stupid posts that make you look like an idiot and try to enjoy winning football in Cincinnati.

[chad85]

listen marvin has yet to prove to me that he is the coach everyone thinks he is?????????????

How could you say that Jungleman? Do you want to be 2-14 again?

[NJ29]

If you don't have LEADERS on defense, coaching doesn't do anything. In adverse situations, you have to have a guy out there who has the balls to get everyone's head out of their a$$es, and the other guys have to have enough spine to respond. We don't have that.

[jungleman]

listen maybe im not putting it clear enough i think marvin has done a great job so far and maybe i am over reacting but imo i dont see why so many say in marvin we trust well i trust him to keep us out of a losing season but we also need to as fans expect to win and expect to win in the playoffs. this team is talented enough to win at least 2 games in the post season. it is time to expect that. i think many are happy with being just in the playoffs where i expect this team to go to the afc title game. all in all marvin has been a great coach here in turning the ship around but in marvin we trust do we??? I want to be able to trust him in the playoffs and dropping a game to the bills is not the way to make me believe that marvin will be able to get this team far into the playoffs. thats all i meant and im not trying to bash marvin just saying how much do you trust in him.

[cincy90]

jungleman you are an idiot. enough said. if 4 losses (2 against indy and jacksonville) aren't good enough, jump off of the bandwagon that you probably jumped on a couple weeks ago.

[jungleman]

everyone can call me a moron but i expect to win super bowls and marvin hasnt proven as a head coach to be able to get there. listen call me what you want but dont call me a banwagon fan. listen it is what it is you disagree but calling me a banwagon fan is a low blow i will not have. like i said im not complaining about the losses just the way the team looked and also saying that this team has the talent to go far and we should expect that.

and for the banwagon comment you willing to meet me down in lot d where i tailgate and we can handle business like men?

[HoosierCat]

It has nothing to do with bandwagons. The buck stops with Marvin just like it does with 31 other NFL head coaches. And they all get the good along with the bad. I'm thrilled to have Lewis as coach but that doesn't mean he's perfect. What was the old Regan-era arms control line? "Trust but verify"? Well, I trust Marvin...but we need better verification than last weekend.

[jjakq27]

The team lays it's first egg of the season and now the guy can't coach? Wow.

I'll bet you are one of those "life long, hung with 'em through the good and the bad" fans, aren't you?

Folks, I hate to tell you but this team has some holes. My high expectations are for next year. Anything, including winning the division, is gravy in my book, this year.

People can't keep raising the bar.

[jungleman]

The team lays it's first egg of the season and now the guy can't coach? Wow.

I'll bet you are one of those "life long, hung with 'em through the good and the bad" fans, aren't you?

Folks, I hate to tell you but this team has some holes. My high expectations are for next year. Anything, including winning the division, is gravy in my book, this year.

People can't keep raising the bar.

why not expect the bar to be raised. listen if we cant expect the bar raised lets just be 2-14. yeah we raised that bar didnt we. im a life long hung in there fan and like i stated before before i fully trust any coach i need to see him win in the playoffs otherwise we will be the steelers for years to come. i expect to see this team get the the afc title game and when they get there i expect to win that game. why not? you people just happy with the playoffs are losers and calling me less of a fan is a joke on you. you dont know me from squat.

[jjakq27]

Whatever. Call me a loser if you must but I am realistic. Next year is where I expect them to make a deep run into the playoffs.

[jungleman]

why not this year?

why should we say we will get them next year thats bs it is now or never next year we could be working with our 6th qb like the jets have been. its a fact crap happens and this game is now or never.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

If the standards are "anything but 2-14 again," then just about any competent coach can be Jesus here I guess. Lucky Marv.

I don't really have blind faith in much of anything, let alone a head coach of a football team, but need to give him a couple more years before going beyond isolated mistakes and curious personnel/roster decisions he makes - most of what he does is agreeable/good I think, far outweighs the bad so far.

Bottom line is he's done a great job and deserves some slack at this point, to get things right still. I think everyone's starting to get impatient with the defense - they are excrutiatingly frustrating to watch, and it's been that way for as long as I can remember, but maybe the fizzle that may occur in these last 3 games will help some bigger decisions be made. I can only hope.

Unfortunately the defense needs 3-4 new starters, and that'll be difficult to do in one year.

Bresh needs to really pull something out of his a$$ these last two weeks to get some more stops on defense, and the coverage teams need to think about pooching and kicking balls out of bounds as possibilties, among other things.

[jjakq27]

why not this year?

why should we say we will get them next year thats bs it is now or never next year we could be working with our 6th qb like the jets have been. its a fact crap happens and this game is now or never.

I hope they win it all this year but I will not be surprised if they don't.

There are a lot of teams in the playoffs with a ton of experience. We are not one of them. I think you have to get there once and get the taste. Don't be surprised if two of these three teams end up playing for the AFC Championship this year. Pittsburgh, New England and Indy. They have been there but we haven't.

[jungleman]

shula this team needs to grab a few free agents for next season. i think it is time to expect a win over pittsburgh in the playoffs. im tired of excuses and hearing about a mental block they have on us. we just need to play well and win. and the 2-14 mentality with the fans leaving with a minute to go when we have the ball down by 3 is a joke as well.

[Ox]

Dude, where are you from? You seem to be a typist from the Spain school of english.

As far as saying Marvin is not doing his job is laughable. Actually it's the most asanine thing I have heard in the last 10 years. I'm going to take this thread as a joke, and nothing more. There's no way you can be serious about this. If you are, then look the hell out, that's some scary sh*t to have "fans" with your sense of achievement out there.

[bengalskyspy]

Moron. Idiot. Dumb5#!+. You pick.

[jungleman]

ill take moron. you guys really must not have read my posts so that means your morons not to know what someone has said. i said i dont trust the fact marvin will lead us to a super bowl. has he proven himself to do that? go ahead and read before you post.

[cincy90]

jungleman, while i do appreciate the kind of attitude that i like to see from a bengals fan, i don't understand how you can question marvin. sounds like you've been a fan for a long time. that is why i don't see where you're coming from. after enduring the past decade, even a somewhat respectable team would be appreciated. now marvin came in here and the city is talking super bowl.

i go to uc, and am used to dealing with all kinds of bengals fans. within my experience on campus most of the people that question him are either cleveland fans just trying to piss me off, or hotshots from out of town that have just started caring about the team since we are in the playoffs. i was not aware of any bengals fans that expect more from marvin. I am very adamant in my defense of marvin, and all he's done for the city and team. therefore i apologize for directing my words at the wrong person.

[jungleman]

its cool cincy. listen you cannot hold someone accountable to 8-8 or just getting to the playoffs when you get there you need to step up and win which is what i expect. and yea im happy where we are just not satisfied.

[HoosierCat]

jungleman, while i do appreciate the kind of attitude that i like to see from a bengals fan, i don't understand how you can question marvin.

The same way Giants fans have questioned Coughlin (believe me, I'm up here, it's a daily occurance). Or Steelers fans question Cowher (check firecoachcowher.com). Or Jags fan question Del Rio. Shoot, how much crap has Tice taken, and the Vikes were in it until last night.

Getting second-guessed comes with the territory when you are an NFL head coach. There's nothing sacreligious about questioning Lewis' calls. For my part, I've harummphed long and hard about his failure to improve the talent on the D. HairOnFire is upset with his defensive schemes. Countless posters, from chrish to bllybroome have slammed him for draft calls like Chris Perry. Schweinhart has knocked him for hanging onto Carl Powell; ShulaSteakhouse doesn't know why he bothers with Justin Smith. And on and on and on.

None of that means we think he sucks or ought to be fired or anything like that. Heaven knows he's the best coach we've had in ages. But despite the nickname, he's not Jesus. He's just a man. I think he's done a damn good job...but again, the question, "could he have done better" is one that comes wiith the territory.

[Spain]

Why do I have to go through eigth trolls just to say we were out coached? Things are like they are. You cant hide them!

However we clearly got out coached this game, We almost got out coached the cleveland game. Sorry guys this doesnt look good. I hope Marvin and the boys adapt but as TB and Hairon fire as well as the rest knows I have adressed this before. Temas are going to play Palmer he cant do everything no one can. So we better be game planing on having to run the ball throught the playoffs. Two cents, stoned Spainaird

[JPW]

I like the way that Mike Brown put it when Marvin first got here.

Brown told him, "the good news is that we are giving you the keys to the city the bad news is that the vault is empty".

So let's see ...

In his first season Marvin took the team from 2 and 14 to a respectable 8 and 8, I would think that a gain of six wins pretty much speaks for itself.

In his second season Marvin was able to maintain the 8 and 8 record, in a year where many thought the team would actually take a step backwards, because of a first year QB and the loss of their pro-bowl RB.

In his third season Marvin has the team on top of the division and in the play-offs for the first time in 15 years.

Ahh, I think that I would say that so far Marvin Lewis has Done His Job and has Earned some Trust ...

At the beginning of this year I was looking for about 10-6 or maybe 11-5 and a wildcard spot, it is suppose to be a lot harder to go from 8-8 to 10-6 than say from 6-10 to 8-8.

The team has already matched that and in fact has one upped it by winning the division but as JoiseyCat has already pointed out, the team is still not where we want it to be yet.

Marvin Lewis isn't done with his rebuild, there is still work to be done, the team still needs to get better, in particularly on defense.

But that doesn't mean that anyone is satisfied with just making the play-offs, especially not Marvin Lewis.

Maybe you didn't notice but he was the one holding down the celerbration over winning the division and was the one who was reminding everyone else that it was just one step toward the goal.

That sure sounds like the mind-set of the kind of a coach that is capable of getting his team a SuperBowl to me.

I don't know how far we will get this year and I am going to just take it one game at a time just like I did for the regular season.

My Hope is that we have a Great Play-Off Run, Get Hot, Have Everything go Right for Us and that we go Deep in and maybe even Win it All.

But I am not going to be too disappointed if things don't go that well for us this year because Marvin Lewis will continue his rebuild of the team over this off-season.

And the Bengals will be even Better next year ...

What would Really Rock is if we are here next year talking about Winning Back to Back SuperBowls !

[indybengalsfan72]

Why do I have to go through eigth trolls just to say we were out coached? Things are like they are. You cant hide them!

However we clearly got out coached this game, We almost got out coached the cleveland game. Sorry guys this doesnt look good. I hope Marvin and the boys adapt but as TB and Hairon fire as well as the rest knows I have adressed this before. Temas are going to play Palmer he cant do everything no one can. So we better be game planing on having to run the ball throught the playoffs. Two cents, stoned Spainaird

What the hell is the deal with all of these pessimistic posts? So what, they lost!!!! But have you forgotten that they are the AFC North Champs, and they are going to the playoffs for the first time in 15 years? They had a bad game, big deal! It's part of a maturing process. If you want to jump off the bandwagon, then please do!

[chad85]

Jungleman your an A**hole!!!!!!!!!

Marvins the reason were in the playoffs. Give it time. We have a young team. We'll get to the superbowl. We saw potential this year. You can't just say Marvin didn't do enough to get our respect and crap.

In Marvin we trust!!!!!!!!

[indybengalsfan72]

Since people seem to diss Marvin, let's bring back Coslet, or maybe even Shula. I'm sure we can win the Super Bowl with either one of those guys. Gimme a fricking break!!!!!!