bengalskyspy Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Willie is pissed off. Real grump the last 2 weeks. I like it. Who's going to get po'd on the defense? They need a leader to step up and start knocking heads. Maybe Justin Smith should be the guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thefrazz Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Naw...I don't think Justin would be the one.I really see Robinson being the leader to do that, evdn tho he is only in his first year as a Bengal. Simmins is too quiet and isn't a vocal leader. JT is a vet but isn't outspoken. I have read things Robinson has said and he has laid it out there a few times. He talked about missing tackle, him personally not filling his gap and such.We get another big body to set next to Robinson I think the run D will get much better. WHO DEY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGrizzlyBaer Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 the voice after this year should be odell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 5 turnovers and 7 points as a result of them - unacceptable. At least the players on offense seem to recognize how poor that is. The Bengals' defense is still pretty stingy giving up the points, but they stay on the field waaay too long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 5 turnovers and 7 points as a result of them - unacceptable. At least the players on offense seem to recognize how poor that is.Yup. Troubling thing is that the offense has fizzled for several weeks running now. After scoring 24 or more points in our 1st 3 games, the Bengals have only gotten above 24 once more, vs. Tennessee. Four of the last 5 have been 13, 16, 20, and 21.Some of that, like the 16-point outing v. Houston, can be attributed to injuries on TJ and the o-line. But even with things back to "normal" vs. Green Bay we didn't exactly blow their doors off. And from what I've seen and heard of the games...it sounds like the o-line is at the heart of the problem. That has to be a huge concern, because if the line is wearing down now, where will it be come December/January? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alleycat Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 Where's McNally when you need him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted October 31, 2005 Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 why oh why isn't anyone railing Bratkowski today?????The bengals had the ball with a two touchdown lead with less than 10 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. So what does our genious OC do? He chucks the down the field and doesn't milk the clock. There was no reason the Packers should have gotten two more possession. The lame announcers even pointed out that chucky is too enamored with the 'home run' (their words). The optimist in me thinks that he's never had a team where salting a game away was something that needs to be done. Mark my words: Brat is going to lose at least one game because he doesn't know how to play with a lead late in the game. I know "the players gotta make the plays" But they shouldn't be running 30-40 yard outs (henry) when you have a lead in the fourth quarter. Brat is at most average..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalskyspy Posted October 31, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2005 why oh why isn't anyone railing Bratkowski today?????The bengals had the ball with a two touchdown lead with less than 10 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. So what does our genious OC do? He chucks the down the field and doesn't milk the clock. There was no reason the Packers should have gotten two more possession. The lame announcers even pointed out that chucky is too enamored with the 'home run' (their words). The optimist in me thinks that he's never had a team where salting a game away was something that needs to be done. Mark my words: Brat is going to lose at least one game because he doesn't know how to play with a lead late in the game. I know "the players gotta make the plays" But they shouldn't be running 30-40 yard outs (henry) when you have a lead in the fourth quarter. Brat is at most average..... I totally agree. That was a ridiculous play! I wish they would have replaced him Year 1. Now it is too late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 why oh why isn't anyone railing Bratkowski today?????The bengals had the ball with a two touchdown lead with less than 10 minutes to go in the fourth quarter. So what does our genious OC do? He chucks the down the field and doesn't milk the clock. There was no reason the Packers should have gotten two more possession. The lame announcers even pointed out that chucky is too enamored with the 'home run' (their words). The optimist in me thinks that he's never had a team where salting a game away was something that needs to be done. Mark my words: Brat is going to lose at least one game because he doesn't know how to play with a lead late in the game. I know "the players gotta make the plays" But they shouldn't be running 30-40 yard outs (henry) when you have a lead in the fourth quarter. Brat is at most average..... I totally agree. That was a ridiculous play! I wish they would have replaced him Year 1. Now it is too late.It's never too late! Maybe he will learn how to call a better game when he has the lead. He seems to know no difference between calling plays when it's 0-0 or 14-0......I'll stop a potential rant at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Columbusbengal Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 I totally agree. That was a ridiculous play! I wish they would have replaced him (Brat) Year 1. Now it is too late.They absolutely couldn't replace him Year 1 - Marvin realized that Kitna could do OK (instead of throwing Carson right out there), but ONLY because he was so familiar with Brat's offense (having run it at Seattle before the Bengals). Kitna is a mediocre QB who is very smart and totally familiar with the Bengals offense. I am not a football genious, so it is quite possible that we could find a better OC, but I do know it couldn't have been in Year One. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wraith Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know, we do have the fourth highest rated offense in the NFL, and they are awful young, you might consider cutting some slack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know, we do have the fourth highest rated offense in the NFL, and they are awful young, you might consider cutting some slack.Bratkowski deserves no slack You are out of your mind. The man nearly mismanaged the game and turned a sure win into a loss How you can say he deserves slack is beyond comprehension. When you are leading with less than ten minutes remaining and have a two touchdown lead, it's time for a steady dose of try to stop this RUN. The closk is your friend I'm still really upset with his stupid playcalling. We didn't need another score, just first downs..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 I cant argue about the points we've generated lately..Ive been a staunch supporter of Brat but the playcalling late in the game had me wondering why theyre trying to go for a big hit instead of milking the clock.....Marvin's headset is connected with Brat so its not like he doesnt know whats going on...I dont know the answer to this.. Good question for Hobson.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 It is really easy to find fault after a play doesn't work. I'll agree that milking the clock is very important... but we weren't exactly running the ball effeciently (3.5 ypc)... and only 7 of our 21 first downs came on the run.If he would have gone 3-and-out every drive from the 4th quarter on, because we kept running the ball, then we really would be killing him today.My only point is that the OC is the easiest coach to bash every game, because hindsight is 20/20. Kind of like going for it on 4th down. When you make it, it was a good decision, when you miss it... "How stupid can you be?"He deserves slack because he was trying to keep from being predictable in a particular situation, and our offense had been vanilla the whole game. I'm not saying it was the right decision... but I am saying, he deserves a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Cant argue with that.....he definately isnt trying to be predictable and thats a good thing...defenses watch film on tendencies.. hopefully we dont have any they can focus on..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know, we do have the fourth highest rated offense in the NFL, and they are awful young, you might consider cutting some slack.Bratkowski deserves no slack You are out of your mind. The man nearly mismanaged the game and turned a sure win into a loss How you can say he deserves slack is beyond comprehension. When you are leading with less than ten minutes remaining and have a two touchdown lead, it's time for a steady dose of try to stop this RUN. The closk is your friend I'm still really upset with his stupid playcalling. We didn't need another score, just first downs..... You are out of your mind. The man has us with the #4 offense in the league, with the #1 QB in the league, and a 6-2 record. He deserves no slack in your mind because he won a game. I'm really sick of your stupid monday morning quarterbacking without a freakin clue.The Green Bay defense is one of the top anti-run defenses in the league. Of course he threw the ball. It was the more likely method of keeping control of the gam.e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 The real problem with that game was that we had great field position regularly, and were foiled by a defense ranked 19th in the league in scoring... but I will say that whatever the reason... we were piss poor at managing the clock the entire 2nd half.Here were our 2nd half drives:Starting on the CIN 20: 5 plays; 10 yards; 2:15 TOP (Punt)Starting on the CIN 2: 4 plays; 38 yards; 1:50 TOP (Punt)Starting on the GB 42: 3 plays; 0 yards; 1:01 TOP (Punt) - Pathetic!Starting on the CIN 34: 4 plays; 21 yards; 2:07 TOP (Punt)Starting on the GB 27: 1 play; 27 yards; 0:07 TOP (TD)Starting on the CIN 34: 4 plays; 19 yards; 1:56 (Int)Starting on the CIN 20: 5 plays; 23 yards; 2:15 (Punt)I understand playing close to the vest with the lead... but by all means, feel free to maintain a drive for more than 5 plays! I don't know who to blame exactly... but we certainly didn't do what Pittsburgh did to us when they had the lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 It does not matter if GB had the #1 defense against the run, in that situation you make them stop RUDI on the inside, Perry to the outside or a short pass route to a WR/TE/RB. Going for a 30 yard pass play that was not open anyway was very dumb and the Bengals are lucky the game did not go into overtime because of it.Learn how to play call a game Brat, before we get into crunch time and the playoffs, please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know, we do have the fourth highest rated offense in the NFL, and they are awful young, you might consider cutting some slack.Bratkowski deserves no slack You are out of your mind. The man nearly mismanaged the game and turned a sure win into a loss How you can say he deserves slack is beyond comprehension. When you are leading with less than ten minutes remaining and have a two touchdown lead, it's time for a steady dose of try to stop this RUN. The closk is your friend I'm still really upset with his stupid playcalling. We didn't need another score, just first downs..... You are out of your mind. The man has us with the #4 offense in the league, with the #1 QB in the league, and a 6-2 record. He deserves no slack in your mind because he won a game. I'm really sick of your stupid monday morning quarterbacking without a freakin clue.The Green Bay defense is one of the top anti-run defenses in the league. Of course he threw the ball. It was the more likely method of keeping control of the gam.eDid we watch the same game? Brat didn't win anything. The defense had FIVE interceptions and we were hoping to win the dang thing Without the defense, Sunday's game was a loss. Let's recall the facts: The offense got the ball with about 8 minutes remaining. Three runs and a punt would have salted about two minutes off of the clock. Assuming the Packers could score in four minutes, that leaves about two minutes left when we get the ball back. Then you have your foot on their throat and the game in hand because three more runs and a punt take the clock down under a minute. Instead Brat chose to throw unnecessary passes that fell incomplete. Thus leaving the pack assured of two more possessions (as long as they stopped the O and they had done just that ALL DAY). Had Brat's passes been the possession type, I might not have been so flabbergasted, but a long out to Henry????? Where the GD TE?Winning is all that matters and thank goodness we managed to win in spite of a lunatic OC.You are a moron if you cannot see the facts that Brat made some real bonehead calls late in the game. Perhaps you have only watched the Bengals and you're too young to know how a football team wins games.ONE more thing.....That number four you refer to cannot have anything to do with scoring percentage. That is, the number of offensive scores divided by the number of possessions. They have been abysmal lately. Five takeaways and only 24 points is disgusting and in no way supports your "our offense is great" theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 You know, we do have the fourth highest rated offense in the NFL, and they are awful young, you might consider cutting some slack.Bratkowski deserves no slack You are out of your mind. The man nearly mismanaged the game and turned a sure win into a loss How you can say he deserves slack is beyond comprehension. When you are leading with less than ten minutes remaining and have a two touchdown lead, it's time for a steady dose of try to stop this RUN. The closk is your friend I'm still really upset with his stupid playcalling. We didn't need another score, just first downs..... You are out of your mind. The man has us with the #4 offense in the league, with the #1 QB in the league, and a 6-2 record. He deserves no slack in your mind because he won a game. I'm really sick of your stupid monday morning quarterbacking without a freakin clue.The Green Bay defense is one of the top anti-run defenses in the league. Of course he threw the ball. It was the more likely method of keeping control of the gam.eDid we watch the same game? Brat didn't win anything. The defense had FIVE interceptions and we were hoping to win the dang thing Without the defense, Sunday's game was a loss. Let's recall the facts: The offense got the ball with about 8 minutes remaining. Three runs and a punt would have salted about two minutes off of the clock. Assuming the Packers could score in four minutes, that leaves about two minutes left when we get the ball back. Then you have your foot on their throat and the game in hand because three more runs and a punt take the clock down under a minute. Instead Brat chose to throw unnecessary passes that fell incomplete. Thus leaving the pack assured of two more possessions (as long as they stopped the O and they had done just that ALL DAY). Had Brat's passes been the possession type, I might not have been so flabbergasted, but a long out to Henry????? Where the GD TE?Winning is all that matters and thank goodness we managed to win in spite of a lunatic OC.You are a moron if you cannot see the facts that Brat made some real bonehead calls late in the game. Perhaps you have only watched the Bengals and you're too young to know how a football team wins games.ONE more thing.....That number four you refer to cannot have anything to do with scoring percentage. That is, the number of offensive scores divided by the number of possessions. They have been abysmal lately. Five takeaways and only 24 points is disgusting and in no way supports your "our offense is great" theory.Damn... why so cold? The offense had made some mistakes, I'll agree, but if we score a TD and go up by 3 scores, that salts the game much more than 2 three-and-outs. You're plan would have also given GB the ball at the end of the game, with our defense needing to stop them... and our offense should be good enough to execute against a GB defense. I don't think the problem was as much a play-calling problem as it was an execution problem.If he ran the ball 3 times, I would understand the 1 and 2 minute drives... but when you throw the ball, you should get first-downs. Our first 3 drives took up 6:14, 4:36, and 6:28. After that our longest drive was 2:15. The end of the game is about running down the clock... not willingly taking three-and-outs, and giving them the ball back. Brat was simply trying to do what succeeded earlier in the game in running out the clock... and the team didn't execute.I understand that you don't like the big-play call... but our offense thrives on it. I'll agree with you that Brat didn't win the game for us... but let's not act like he was the one throwing incomplete passes out there. If Palmer throws a TD instead of an INT there, we don't hear these complaints. Lay off the name-calling. You have a different perspective than someone else. Feel free to voice it without acting like a dick to someone else. I think that willingly taking three-and-outs is a really bad idea, rather than trying to get first downs and win the game. Otherwise we are just using our offense to "not lose". There... you see how I do that without mocking your intelligence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 The Green Bay defense is one of the top anti-run defenses in the league. Of course he threw the ball. It was the more likely method of keeping control of the gam.e That is all well and good, but he threw the ball deep. There is no excuse for that. It is simply a bad play call. He has been making questionable decisions all year long. Just having the #4 offense in the league can't bail him out. He is "coordinating" one of the most talented groups in the NFL. He is a big reason it isn't the #1 offense in the league.Bratkowski = Blech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Just having the #4 offense in the league can't bail him out. He is "coordinating" one of the most talented groups in the NFL. He is a big reason it isn't the #1 offense in the league.Bratkowski = Blech Even if he's a big reason they arent' No. 1 (and I don't agree), he is a big reason they're No. 4. C'mon, what do you want? If we had the No. 4 run D Breshnahan would be getting cannonized about now.Bottom line: Brat ain't going anywhere anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrooks21 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 That is all well and good, but he threw the ball deep.He did?????? What number was he wearing? I never saw anyone but Carson taking snaps. Some of you guys need to get off the Bratkowski thing, he is hardly the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 That is all well and good, but he threw the ball deep.He did?????? What number was he wearing? I never saw anyone but Carson taking snaps. Some of you guys need to get off the Bratkowski thing, he is hardly the problem. Yes, yes, point taken. The play was certainly designed the way it was executed. I am not complaining because it was intercepted, I am complaining because the play was called at all. I am not saying he is all the problem, but I blame him for most of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richmond_mat Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 The play was certainly designed the way it was executed. I am not complaining because it was intercepted, I am complaining because the play was called at all. I am not saying he is all the problem, but I blame him for most of it.AHMEN!And, derek, I never said to willingly take a three and out. I just said to run the ball three times. At 3.5 ypc that adds up to 10.5 and they give you a first down for that. If the D happens to stop you, then you punt after running significant time off of the clock.BTW I loved the sweep late in the game (I had been screaming for it play after play). Why didn't he call more of that? Sorry if I get too emotional..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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