MARVIN=W'S Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I know they shouldn't start but I would like to know why they don't even get a sniff on Sundays. They can't be that much worse than Robinson/Thornton. GB shouldn't be able to pound it down our throats without A. Green, so we should get back on track a little bit. 7-2 going into the buy week is looking pretty good. WHO DEY----IN MARVIN WE TRUST, don't forget that!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalindian Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Where the F is Askew? Is he hurt? Or does Marvin just not like him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I haven't seen much "official" word about Askew, but the rumor mill has been pretty consistently negative about him since last year -- that he's unmotivated, undisciplined, can't be bothered to give 100%, etc. I have no idea if that's true, but I think the fact that he can't get on the field much even with our unspectacular line isn't encouraging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MARVIN=W'S Posted October 26, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I haven't seen much "official" word about Askew, but the rumor mill has been pretty consistently negative about him since last year -- that he's unmotivated, undisciplined, can't be bothered to give 100%, etc. I have no idea if that's true, but I think the fact that he can't get on the field much even with our unspectacular line isn't encouraging.I agree with that. He has to be on ML's s**t list to not be getting into games. S. Smith though, he's around 320 lbs. I'd like to see his big ass in there on Sundays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybengalsfan Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I haven't seen much "official" word about Askew, but the rumor mill has been pretty consistently negative about him since last year -- that he's unmotivated, undisciplined, can't be bothered to give 100%, etc. I have no idea if that's true, but I think the fact that he can't get on the field much even with our unspectacular line isn't encouraging.I agree with that. He has to be on ML's s**t list to not be getting into games. S. Smith though, he's around 320 lbs. I'd like to see his big ass in there on Sundays.Hey, guys, I can't understand where you are coming from; if Marvin thought Askew was unmotivated, undisciplined, etc., I don't think he would be keeping him around, much less to even allow him to make the 53 man roster to begin with. I do agree he should let those two play; they couldn't have looked any worse than our starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Hey, guys, I can't understand where you are coming from; if Marvin thought Askew was unmotivated, undisciplined, etc., I don't think he would be keeping him around, much less to even allow him to make the 53 man roster to begin with.I've always thought the same, which is why I've never given the rumors much creedence. But...there Askew is, on the bench, week after week, despite the line's struggles. Why is a mystery. Is he, indeed, a bum? Is he hurt and they just aren't telling? Does Marvin just not want to admit he made a bad pick? Does Askew have pictures of Marvin having carnal relations with barnyard animals? Your guess is as good as mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Ok so heres the thing is it the coaches or the players why we are not stoping the run, just wondering what u think. They get beat all the time to the outside i dont always think its just because theres not a fat guy in the middle. Just because theres a fat guy there isnt gonna make the run defense better. I watch every running back always cut it to the outside and no one is there to tackle them. There is a lack of disipline on the defense guys not covering there gaps every player is out of place so i really dont think thats because theres no fat guy there. I cant explain why but i sure would like to know whats wrong every year with it. I think its lack of disipline. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mgilgris Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I agree the bouncing outside and the lack of linebackers being able to fill the gaps is just as big of a problem. Odel over-pursued a couple times and got clogged up in the middle or was unable to shed the blockers. This is a rookie mistake which he will eventually get past by having better position and being in better positions to make the tackles. Unfortunately, Brian Simmons isnt picking up the slack for the lack of strength up front or for the rookie mistakes. Just a couple pieces short to help fill the void and we will be fine. IN MARVIN WE TRUST Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Out of Askew, Smith and Fanene, need to get some fresh guys in there to try and find a good combo...what's the harm??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walshfan Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Looking back on the last couple drafts of defensive linemen I dont see but a couple that play with much regularity....Askew fits that mold...I dont think Marvin would keep him if he was a bust....Allot of you have stated that you'd like to see Askew and Smith in there..I agree......Now answer this...Why doesnt Marvin or Bres and Jay hayes do just that? Whats the reason??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMC Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Looking back on the last couple drafts of defensive linemen I dont see but a couple that play with much regularity....Askew fits that mold...I dont think Marvin would keep him if he was a bust....Allot of you have stated that you'd like to see Askew and Smith in there..I agree......Now answer this...Why doesnt Marvin or Bres and Jay hayes do just that? Whats the reason???Could it be they know more about football than us?????Perish the thought!!!!!!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet23 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I still want to know why they cut Langston Moore in favor of Smith that is never active. Moore played a lot last year and their DL was better than it is now. Does anyone know if he was picked up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Langston is with the Cards now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I still want to know why they cut Langston Moore in favor of Smith that is never active. Moore played a lot last year and their DL was better than it is now. Does anyone know if he was picked up? I may be completely wrong here, but I think Moore ended up a Cardinal. I'm not disappointed they lost him in favor of Shaun Smith, because he has seemed to play well when he has been given the opportunity. I don't know why Marvin and Bres haven't been shuffling the line as much as they used to. They must know which players give them the best chace to succeed, and that would lead me to believe Askew and/or Smith may be a little banged up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Does Askew have pictures of Marvin having carnal relations with barnyard animals? Your guess is as good as mine.Seems to me that Thornton must be the one with the 8x10 glossy photos, because I can't understand how he manages to start every game anymore. I actually understand Askew making the roster, even if he's unmotivated... because Marvin probably believes that he is a real talent, and can be motivated eventually. You don't want to just give up on someone who might be a stud someday... but how many years does it take to get in for a couple plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USMC203 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Looking back on the last couple drafts of defensive linemen I dont see but a couple that play with much regularity....Askew fits that mold...I dont think Marvin would keep him if he was a bust....Allot of you have stated that you'd like to see Askew and Smith in there..I agree......Now answer this...Why doesnt Marvin or Bres and Jay hayes do just that? Whats the reason???Could it be they know more about football than us?????Perish the thought!!!!!!!!!!!!! AMC, I think you are right about Askew, Smith & Fanene this would be the game to see what they can do. I agree with you about our knowledge of football. I am by my phone at this very time waiting for Coach Marvin to call to get our input about the game this Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CBin2k7 Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 I did happen to see Langston Moore in the backfield making plays against the Titans this past weekend. Maybe Shaun Smith stopped playing when Clemons came back.Really makes you miss Glen Steele, at least he made plays.What sense does it make, that your undersized ends play D-tackle on passing downs. Their rotation is really sketchy on the line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Maybe this is a coaching flaw we are uncovering. Hear me out...Take Belichick. He takes guys who have the stuff on the inside first. Heart, guts, desire, grit...call it what you want. There is a reason they have been so dominant, even through injury, etc. He has a team full of guys willing to do WHATEVER it takes to win. They are all good football players but the bottom line is that they want it more. Not so much flash, or potential, but dedication to getting the most out of what they have.The situation with Geathers/Askew/Clemons/Powell and previously Moore...and on to other guys taking up space, like Washington, Reggie Kelly, Schobel, etc seems to be that they are kept around for the decent talent they have but lack a little in the motivation/heart/desire department. I think they need to change-up how they evaluate prospects... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DontPushMe Posted October 26, 2005 Report Share Posted October 26, 2005 Askew looks to be a waste. If hes as talented as they say he is, you would think hed be able to at least get on the field at this point, considering how pathetic the rest of the d-line is playing. He still has the potential to develop into something but imo at this point its unlikely. Shaun Smith I do like though, he seems to at least make something happen when hes in there, but, i think if he were in there all the time, it would be like Robert Geathers, good when he just comes in for a few plays here and there, but not really good enough to be an every down d-linemen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 Last week was the first week that Smith was inactive. They did that because to the TJ situation I think and took 7 recievers in that game(Hobson had a piece on it).Askew? ShrugWho knows, but I remember all the talk of him being the steal and being a first rounder if he stayed in school another year. Well, does the two years experience do anything Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrooks21 Posted October 27, 2005 Report Share Posted October 27, 2005 I have no idea if that's true, but I think the fact that he can't get on the field much even with our unspectacular line isn't encouraging.That's right . If the man can't even dress, he damn sure isn't going to be the answer. I don't think Smith dressed either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonboat Posted October 28, 2005 Report Share Posted October 28, 2005 I see Askew listed on the depth chart, that was updated 10/25/05, it lists him backing up BR.Does that mean he's activated this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted October 29, 2005 Report Share Posted October 29, 2005 The Bengals need someone on the D-line to get penetration to blow up runs and pass rush to force bad throws. Neither is happening.Shaun Smith can do both in a rotation. Why he was inactive over Carl Powell last week is beyond me. Askew looked decent in pre-season but hasn't been seen since, so who knows?Justin Smith looked poised to have a banner year w/ pressure and sacks going up against RTs more but it hasn't happened. Jumpy Jr. had a knack for creating turnovers when he was on the field less last year but he hasn't made anything happen this year w/ a whole lot more PT. Him at DT doesn't seem like it's done anything wortwhile so maybe that experiment comes to an end now and Askew and Smith get some chances.This week, the run game shouldn't be much of a factor against the Bengals D. It will be more important to have quick pass rush to pressure Favre. If they can't get it done w/ a straight up 4 man rush early, hopefully they switch to stunts and blitzes to hurry Favre and force some mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrooks21 Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Marvin answered this question in his Monday press conference. From Hobson's Choice:Q: "Does Shaun help with your run defense?"A: "Obviously not if I deactivate him, right? In my mind, I try to activate the guys that fit in our plans each week."(By the way, you can probably use that answer for Matthias Askew, too.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted November 2, 2005 Report Share Posted November 2, 2005 Askew's a bust.Any ways - the run D will get better - they played a terrible running team Sunday - but they held them to well under 100 yards - Thorton and Landon Johnson had nice games - ecspecially early on, Landon was all over the place and Thorton seemed to play with a real sense of urgency inside for once.I think the run D problems have more to do with the LB's and DE's not making plays than the DT's.LB's aren't out there to just be decoys or stand around - they are there to make tackles and bust up the running lanes - I don't care if they have to bench Simmons, but the LB's need to step up, including Odell at the LOS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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