Humanzee 5000 Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 I know Shayne is great and that's the first thing everyone wants to say. but, let's face it, he had an injury to his kicking leg, and I hope it never returns. Anyone miss Rackers at all? I mean the guy put a kickoff through the uprights. That's 80 yards. I know that it's on a tee but still. Anyone? Quote
CTBengalsFan Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 yea I miss his missed extra points greatly. Quote
scott91575 Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Don't forget Mexico has 1.5 times the elevation of Denver. A kickers dream. He also kicked a line drive every time. Won't wok in normal elevation. Even if 5 yards deep in the EZ not a good kick. Shane has a better percentage than Rackers. Don't miss him, but keeping him would not have been bad. Quote
walshfan Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 it depends on where your kicking at.. rackers wouldnt be as good as graham in cincy over the long haul.. Quote
HairOnFire Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 I thought Rackers had turned it around before being booted from Cincy, but most fans here were going to be very slow to embrace him again, if ever. Besides, coaches have to be comfortable with their core players and neither Lewis or Darrin Simmons seemed willing to accept Rackers ever changing technique regardless of whatever success he was having at the moment. They seem like the types who want to see machine-like precision each and every kick and Graham gives them that. No, I don't miss Rackers a bit. In fact, I've never chanted for a kicker before, but the cheer of "Opie, Opie, Opie" is a familiar sound in my house. Quote
skyline Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 I liked Rackers, and always pulled for him while he was in Cincy, but no...I'd take Graham any day. Quote
Stripes Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 When it comes to fantasy football, Rackers may very well be the best of the bunch.Otherwise...Graham > Rackers Quote
jjakq27 Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 I miss the sick feeling I used to get when ever he lined up to kick. Quote
ShulaSteakhouse Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 He's made a record 14 straight and has a stronger leg than Shayne.The Bengals gave up on him too quickly as he was forced to kick in a mud pit here for 2 years.Some times this happens, oh well, Graham has done a great job and is reliable, I'm over it. Quote
The_Next_Big_Thing Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Rackers difficulties were in large part, due to the absolutely CRAPPY field we had at the time. That said, I like Opie. Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 I liked Rackers, and always pulled for him while he was in Cincy, but no...I'd take Graham any day.In my book they're presently equally as good. I watched Neil Rackers during the Cardinals Training Camp here in Prescott Arizona where I live, and he never missed a kick that I saw, And I attended at least 10 practices.Here's a few pics. I yelled at him while pointing at my Bengals shirt just before I took this one. He glanced at it and never looked back at me again! Quote
NYBengalfan Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Remember the 2001 season when Rackers missed the Extra Point against Pittsburgh. That would have put us ahead 24-23. yeah we came back and won in OT but that was sickening.Shayne is one o the most accurate kickers in the league. Cheers to you Shayne Quote
San Antonio Bengal Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Shayne has a better percentage than Rackers since the time we let Rackers go. I don't miss him. Long live Shayne!Now the real question is... where's Shayne's sister? I would have thought she would have shown up with her hoards of kicking statistics by now. Quote
jjakq27 Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 He pretty much had the team made in 2003 if I remember. But wasn't Rackers injured when he was released or something? Or there was some issue with his legs and that's why they brought Graham in?Here are the specific game logs for the 2001 season. He missed at home and on the road. I see a 0-1 at Pittburgh and an 0-2 at Cleveland, so don't excuse him because of the field. Shayne Graham kicked on the same field in 2003 and didn't seem to have problems.http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187627/gamelogs/2001 This reminds me of the Steve Foley BS last year. Remember he was released by the Texans last year too. Shayne Graham forever, Neil Rackers never. Quote
buck3y3d Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 I thought Rackers was getting better before he left. He is much longer than Shayne Graham and is now consistently as accurate. I don't miss Rackers because we haven't lost much if any in Shayne.However, Rackers is doing awesome in Arizona, and to deny this is absurd. He was getting better when he left Cincy and today he is probably a top 3 kicker in the league (statistically he is top 3, but as i have seen before statistics are not everythinh). Quote
Stripes Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Rackers has gotten this season off to a 16 for 16 start. That is great, and good for him. Last year, however, he missed 7 of his 29 attempts, while Shayne only missed 4 of 31. Rackers's huge start to 2005 is bound to slow down sooner or later, while Graham has been nothing but consistent.Last season, Phil Dawson of the Browns also started the season very accurate and on a roll. At one point, he had the longest active made field goals streak in the league. The game where that streak ended, he missed two very makeable field goals, and has since been abysmal.If Rackers can maintain this standard of kicking, then this thread may have a little more of a point, but until he proves he can play consistently, Graham will dominate this conversation every time, whether it is being discussed by Bengals fans or not. Quote
Lita Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Yeah, really.. Rack was horrible when he was here. Even though I think we won this game, the anouncer sounding mortified and saying, "He missed the extra point..!!" will always ring inside my head. ~.~ Quote
BengalszoneBilly Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Yeah, really.. Rack was horrible when he was here. Even though I think we won this game, the anouncer sounding mortified and saying, "He missed the extra point..!!" will always ring inside my head. ~.~C'mon folks. Let's be fair, huh? No kicker in the history of the game hasn't missed a kick once in a while during their careers. Right now I say Graham and Rackers are two of the leagues best. There's a few teams out there right now that would just LOVE having them instead of the lame legs they're saddled with presently! Quote
kingwilly Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Let's not forget Graham making two TD saving tackles vs Houston last week. Quote
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 I have never held my breath on a Graham extra point attempt. I can't say that about Racker's. I'll take Graham's consistancy over Racker's new found accuracy. Quote
MacD BengalFan Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 I am surprised someone had the nerve to even ask. No, I don't miss Rackers and having to cross my fingers and to toes hoping he makes the kick. Atleast he found a team to kick for. I am just glad he is no longer in stripes. Quote
buck3y3d Posted October 5, 2005 Report Posted October 5, 2005 Shayne Graham Statshttp://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/289074Niel Racker's Statshttp://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187627Niel has 37 touchbacks in the last two years, Shayne has 2.Niel, over the last two years has done considerably well kicking the ball.Shayne struggled before he got here, but no one cares about this. Niel struggled before he got to Arizona and i'm sure no one cares out there. People in Arizona would definately take Rackers over Shayne, and it is absurd to think they wouldn't. By the way, Niel hasn't missed an extra point in three years, so i think you guys can stop worrying.I don't miss Rackers, but he is a good kicker and i would not be sad if he played here. Quote
Ox Posted October 6, 2005 Report Posted October 6, 2005 Funny part was at the game Sunday my wife asked me twice after kickoffs, "Wasn't that the KICKER that made the tackle? I thought we had other guys to do that!?" Exactly. Quote
BengalSIS Posted October 6, 2005 Report Posted October 6, 2005 Shayne Graham Statshttp://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/289074Niel Racker's Statshttp://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187627Niel has 37 touchbacks in the last two years, Shayne has 2.Niel, over the last two years has done considerably well kicking the ball.Shayne struggled before he got here, but no one cares about this. Niel struggled before he got to Arizona and i'm sure no one cares out there. People in Arizona would definately take Rackers over Shayne, and it is absurd to think they wouldn't. By the way, Niel hasn't missed an extra point in three years, so i think you guys can stop worrying.I don't miss Rackers, but he is a good kicker and i would not be sad if he played here.Just one small clarification. Shayne struggled to get a solid spot on a team, but he never struggled like Neil did. He missed an important kick in ONE game on his first kick with a new holder and snapper with Panthers (and I don't mean first game kick, I mean first kick. He was signed night before game). His % has always been respectable. Now, I know that's not really what you meant, but...as a sis, I just have to clarify. Carry on. Quote
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