Would you give Kitna

[Spain in the A$$]

No way, not to ANY team in the division for ANYONE!! What do you think they would have him sign a non-disclosure agreement? It would be like handing our playbook to another team. I like Jon right where he is (crosses, bibles and all).

[mtmeece]

In no way do you give up Kitna to the Ravens or any other team.

San Diego offers you Antonio Gates or the Dolphins want to trade Jason Taylor. No go huh? PU LEASE!

And you'd like to see Krenzel take the Bengals to the playoffs after Ray Lewis rolls up Carson's knee and puts him out for the season.

You put Ed Reed in that secondary, I'll take my damn chances with Krenzel. The difference between Ed Reed and KK is worlds bigger than the difference between Kitna and Krenzel. Ed Reed may be the best player in football.

Read these post's again Jet 23 you are a f**kin idiot that makes no sense what so ever GO AWAY

[Columbusbengal]

Fortunately, the Ravens wouldn't give up much to get Kitna. He wouldn't do well anywhere but the Bengals. His biggest asset is that he has run Brat's offense for like six years so he can step right into the line-up and run the offense. He is not a legitimate starting QB for any other team. On the other hand, he is too valuable to the Bengals to trade. If we are sailing along towards the playoffs and Palmer goes out with an injury, we'll all be grateful to have a backup who won't kill us. So, we'd have to take Ed Reed if he were offered, but, fortunately, he won't be offered

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

First of all, no way in hell will the Ravens give up Reed or Suggs for Kitna. Trust me, Marvin would drive Kitna to Baltimore to get Ed Reed. Secondly, Anthony Wright is not a horrible qb, I bet he takes Boller's job (which isn't saying much).

Although I don't like it, I bet this is Kitna's last year as a Bengal. Krenzel is being groomed to take the #2 job.

Well, the rumor mill says the Ravens are in the QB market...but yeah, I don't think they're going to hand over someone like Reed for Jon. And I would lend Marvin my new car to drive Kitna to Baltimore & get Reed.

Your last point brings up a good question, tho. If this is indeed Kit's last year in stripes (and it may not be, Kit may be perfectly happy hang out, sit on the bench, watch Palmer and collect Super Bowl rings) do we look to get some value there?

YOu know, I'd kidnap Kitna from his home, throw him in the trunk of a rental, and drop him off in Baltimore for Ed Reed, but that ain't gonna happen folks. Other than that, no way do I trade him. (well maybe to chicago for Mike Brown or Mike Green)

[Humanzee 5000]

I definently think that trading him in our division could be disastrous.

[derekshank]

While I would love to have a better SS back there, there is no comparison between the value of a good SS for the Bengals, and the value of a good QB for the Ravens. If we give the Ravens a QB that can play, the immediately go from one of the worst offenses to somewhat decent. QB is that important. This would give them a chance to keep their defense off of the field, and score some points.

For the Bengals Ed Reed would help us with the big play, and give us some much needed help when Deltha gambles... but to say that our need for a better S is the same as Baltimore's need for a QB is ridiculous. The S is not in every play... probably not even half. The QB touched the ball every snap, and is the heart and soul of an offense. I just don't understand why we would even consider helping the Ravens cause, giving them a fighting chance to pass us in the division.

[Humanzee 5000]

I also just think that in time, either ohalete is going to show up as a great pick up, or Marvin's going to find him a stud in the next draft!!

[Jet23]

In no way do you give up Kitna to the Ravens or any other team.

San Diego offers you Antonio Gates or the Dolphins want to trade Jason Taylor. No go huh? PU LEASE!

And you'd like to see Krenzel take the Bengals to the playoffs after Ray Lewis rolls up Carson's knee and puts him out for the season.

You put Ed Reed in that secondary, I'll take my damn chances with Krenzel. The difference between Ed Reed and KK is worlds bigger than the difference between Kitna and Krenzel. Ed Reed may be the best player in football.

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Read these post's again Jet 23 you are a f**kin idiot that makes no sense what so ever GO AWAY

Listen here clown. You call Ozzie Newsome and propose that trade. Then look at you watch to see how long he laughs before hanging up on your stupid ass. There is one player on the Bengals that the Ravens would trade Reed straight up for and that is Carson Palmer you moron. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with their defense. Tell me stupid, why would they trade their best defensive player away for an average qb?

The NFL Defensive Player of the year for a backup qb. Do me a favor, ask somebody with a brain (maybe your dad) just how STUPID that is. If everyone on this board was a wizard such as yourself, I certainly would GO AWAY. But luckily most of the members of this board actually know football.

[Stripes]

Listen here clown. You call Ozzie Newsome and propose that trade. Then look at you watch to see how long he laughs before hanging up on your stupid ass. There is one player on the Bengals that the Ravens would trade Reed straight up for and that is Carson Palmer you moron. The Ravens won a Super Bowl with their defense. Tell me stupid, why would they trade their best defensive player away for an average qb?

The NFL Defensive Player of the year for a backup qb. Do me a favor, ask somebody with a brain (maybe your dad) just how STUPID that is. If everyone on this board was a wizard such as yourself, I certainly would GO AWAY. But luckily most of the members of this board actually know football.

Do you two need to be separated? I demand order in the thread!

We all realize the Ravens would unlikely give up Reed for Kitna. My point has been that even if they were to accept that trade, we would NEVER accept it. We give the Ravens Jon Kitna, then they win the division. Period. That defense would still be good without Reed, and suddenly the offense would look MUCH more dangerous. Kitna would be able to throw the ball to Derrick Mason and Todd Heap like Boller cannot.

There is more to a trade than just straight up value. Value-wise, there is no question ~~~> Ed Reed > Jon Kitna.

That doesn't mean we would gladly accept or they would laughingly deny such a propsed trade.

[DesperateDerelict]

Forget value => the following Rules apply:

1) Never help your enemy

2) Hang on to critical depth like you hang on to starters, and

3) Don't screw up good chemistry

[Jet23]

Forget value => the following Rules apply:

1) Never help your enemy

2) Hang on to critical depth like you hang on to starters, and

3) Don't screw up good chemistry

You're right, my bad. And if those dirty bastages try to trade us Jonathon Ogden for Anthony Mitchell, we'll know it's just a ploy to break up our team chemistry.

To summarize: Many of you would not trade a qb that could very well have been waived in training camp, for the best defensive player in the NFL. Got it! Thanks for the insight guys.

[MacD BengalFan]

Forget value => the following Rules apply:

1) Never help your enemy

2) Hang on to critical depth like you hang on to starters, and

3) Don't screw up good chemistry

You're right, my bad. And if those dirty bastages try to trade us Jonathon Ogden for Anthony Mitchell, we'll know it's just a ploy to break up our team chemistry.

To summarize: Many of you would not trade a qb that could very well have been waived in training camp, for the best defensive player in the NFL. Got it! Thanks for the insight guys.

No, we would not trade a QB that provides stability, consistancy and leadership for any player. You have to be able to score points in order to win the game. Isn't what this is about? Winning? If Carson goes down, we turn the ball over to Krenzal who has very limited experiance in this system? No, we need to keep Jon Kitna. What you are suggesting is something that Bengals have been doing for the past 15 years. Provide instant fixes to a percieved problem that doesn't work out instead of providing stability and confidence in the players currently on the roster. That is what the Bengals have been lacking for all of these years and why they never had a winning season since 1990.

[Jet23]

Forget value => the following Rules apply:

1) Never help your enemy

2) Hang on to critical depth like you hang on to starters, and

3) Don't screw up good chemistry

You're right, my bad. And if those dirty bastages try to trade us Jonathon Ogden for Anthony Mitchell, we'll know it's just a ploy to break up our team chemistry.

To summarize: Many of you would not trade a qb that could very well have been waived in training camp, for the best defensive player in the NFL. Got it! Thanks for the insight guys.

No, we would not trade a QB that provides stability, consistancy and leadership for any player. You have to be able to score points in order to win the game. Isn't what this is about? Winning? If Carson goes down, we turn the ball over to Krenzal who has very limited experiance in this system? No, we need to keep Jon Kitna. What you are suggesting is something that Bengals have been doing for the past 15 years. Provide instant fixes to a percieved problem that doesn't work out instead of providing stability and confidence in the players currently on the roster. That is what the Bengals have been lacking for all of these years and why they never had a winning season since 1990.

Look, I love Jon Kitna and I hope he retires a Bengals. Unfortunately, I don't think Mike Brown will let that happen ($$), but I do think it is important to have a solid backup. With that being said, I just think Ed Reed is an absolute monster that could take a young defense to a Super Bowl level. No, I would not be happy to put Krenzel out there if Carson takes a hit, but I would take that chance if it means getting the Defensive Player of the Year. And no, it is not about scoring points, it is about preventing the other team from scoring points. A team with a bad defense has never won the Super Bowl, but plenty of teams with bad offenses have. But, like others have said, it will never happen, so it's a waste to speculate any further.

Have a good weekend everyone and let's pound the Bears!

[mtmeece]

I Agree let's pound the bears. The Kitna for Reed topic did'nt go so well. One thing that is still a little confusing is the fact that you think that kitna was on some sort of bubble in camp like making the team or being waived??

[bengalindian]

Ed Reed for Jon Kitna? I'd take it in a heartbeat. Is it going to happen? NO. Stop arguing about it.

[DontPushMe]

Any of you who think the ravens would do anything more then laugh at MB if he offered kitna for reed/suggs need to rethink this whole football thing.

[BengalszoneBilly]

With that being said, I just think Ed Reed is an absolute monster that could take a young defense to a Super Bowl level.

[Kazkal]

I could never seeing the Bengals trading Kitna to an AFC North team, that would be shooting yourself in the foot. In fact, the Bengals may trade him, but i think it would be to the NFC. Kitna is better than half the Qb's in the league, and to trade him to a contender like Baltimore would be crazy.

Please put down the Kool-Aid. Kitna is barely better than half the backups in the league. And people, please find out who Ed Reed is before deciding he is not worth giving up an average backup. That's kind of like saying you would not have traded Turk Schonert for Ronnie Lott.

Excellent job checking the facts(this is sarcasm). Kitna's last full season was 2003, in that year he had a QB rating of 87. I have included links to sites that put his ranking in the top 10 of the league and a fantasy site.

He is better than half the QBs in the League.

http://www.usfantasysports.com/rank/2003USFSQB.htm

http://www.nfl.com/stats/leaders/NFL/PRAT/2003/regular

One more thing, he was 9th in the league. I'll do the math for you, 32 teams, divide by 2, that equals 16. He was number 9 putting him in the top half of the league. Finally, i would trade him for Polamalu (spelling), but Ed Reed is getting old. Marvin likes young players, and while none of these trades would ever occur, it's okay to speculate.

Ed reed is in his 5th freaking year hes no older then cj

[membengal]

Weird thread. I read the question as a hypothetical, as it would never come to pass.

In answer to the hypo: I would not trade Kitna to Baltimore for much of anything on their roster short of Ed Reed or Todd Heap. Too much giving aid and comfort to the enemy by giving them a quarterback who does not drool on himself.

[bengalboomer7]

I can't believe this thread got to three pages

[andybren]

I can't believe this thread got to three pages

I agree. Maybe I can summarize what I think most of us can agree on...

1. Bengals trading with Ravens/Steelers/Browns probably not a good idea.

2. Ravens trading Ed Reed for just about anybody not going to happen. Not unless a Bledsoe-Brady situation occurs and a starting QB becomes available.

3. Bengals trading Jon Kitna RIGHT NOW probably not going to happen.

I say Krenzel passes Kitna on the depth charts this off-season and Marvin gives Kitna a chance to re-negotiate his contract to stay as 3rd stringer. He'll take it because he and his family are happy in Cincinnati and it won't be worth moving somewhere else to be a 2nd stringer. Kitna's days as a starter are over and he knows it.

I am curious, however, by Brian Billick's failure to handle his QB situation. He always struck me as a smart guy, and putting all his eggs in his Kyle Boller basket seems pretty stupid. Here we are a couple of years later, Boller is injured, and Billick still isn't making any moves.

Compare that to how the Browns and Bears dealt with their QB situations --- the juries might still be out on Orton/Kitner and Dilfer/Frye, but at least they made moves.