Palmer - One Lucky SOB

[kingwilly]

First off, what a relief in getting the win...hats off to a real team effort.

But is anyone else concerned about Palmer? He had some serious lapses.

1. The INT called back.

2. The INT into the endzone...take the sack or fire it away!!!!!

3. The underthrown ball AGAIN to Chad. This has to be the 10th underthrown ball to Chad I've witnessed. WTF is that? Why does he throw off his back foot like that?

4. The fumble on his scramble.

Without the penalty on the INT return, we may lose momentum and lose this game, not to mention the missed opportunities from his other mistakes.

Note to Carson: This is now the regular season. Time to sharpen it up.

I hope he gets coached up this week to emilinate mistakes like this. They will be deadly against the PIT and BAL teams later on.

[HoosierCat]

1. is all I'd be concerned about.

2. was on Brat...terrible play call. You are way up. Run it and kick the chip shot if you don't get in.

3. gonna get that early on.

4. well, let's not have him scrambling. He's there to throw, not run.

[bengalsrz]

this talk trashing carson is crazy, he is a great player and i think he'll do great this year, he played a great game and lets just enjoy the win :player:

WHO DEY! :player:

[MacD BengalFan]

1. Is a lucky break.

2. Was not a terrible call. Palmer should have taken the sack and not force the pass.

3. Sometimes a under thrown ball is intentional to allow the receiver to get separation from the defender who may not be looking to see where the pass is. Plus, it happens. Not every deep pass is going to be on target or overthrown.

4. No, he needs to scramble when necessary. He just needs to take care of the football better.

I am sure after these mistakes, Marvin will let him know about it. He is a second year starter and mistakes like these will happen. And even to 15 year veterans. Case in point: Brett Farvre. He is constantly trying to make something out of nothing. And yes, sometimes he gets away with it.

[CBin2k7]

Wow, Palmer threw for 280 and 2 TD's. He played very well, made some good calls at the line. Yes he threw a bad INT, but that is it. Lay off of Palmer.

[HairOnFire]

But is anyone else concerned about Palmer? He had some serious lapses.

Not really. For large stretches of the game Palmer was nearly unstoppable. My biggest complaint came when he threw the late pick into the endzone instead of taking the sack. Swallow the ball and it's 2nd down...plenty of chances to run a higher percentage play than the one he gambled on. And even if you don't gain another yard after taking the sack you can still kick the gimmee FG and go up by three scores. But that's about it when it comes to lobbing complaints from this chair.

The fumble didn't bug me. Palmer did a great job of avoiding one player and didn't know the other defender was there. It happens.

The underthrow didn't bug me. Palmers accuracy was first rate in this game and you're not going to get them all.

The pick he threw didn't bug me....mostly because it was called back. It's about time the Bengals got a break like that. Ad for any Brownie who? wants to whine about the call I'd remind them of the pass interference that WASN'T called on the deep ball to Chad. Early contact and a defender pulling on the left arm of the wideout is supposed to be a penalty, right?

But back to the point of the thread, Palmer was very good. Not perfect, but very good.

[Benzoo]

He's still a young Quarterback, and right now his positives far outweigh the negatives.

He learned a couple of lessons today, and lets hope he files them away and uses this knowledge later in the year.

He's done nothing but PROGRESS since he was named the starter. Compare that to a guy like Harrington, who'll seemingly never get it. You don't ask for perfection from a young guy. You ask for progression, and Carson's provided that in spades.

[DontPushMe]

He's still a young Quarterback, and right now his positives far outweigh the negatives.

He learned a couple of lessons today, and lets hope he files them away and uses this knowledge later in the year.

He's done nothing but PROGRESS since he was named the starter. Compare that to a guy like Harrington, who'll seemingly never get it. You don't ask for perfection from a young guy. You ask for progression, and Carson's provided that in spades.

Harrington actually has looked better lately, I think hes getting better but hes one of the guys where its just taking him longer to 'get it' like Drew Brees. David Carr imo is the worse of the 2 from that draft, Harrington has been steadily improving over the past 3 years, Carr hasnt.

But you guys are being way too hard on Palmer, this was what his 14th career game? He looked amazing at times, all young QBs make mistakes, but he bounces back every time. Hes going to be a good qb for us.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

For someone making his 14th career start I'll take it any Sunday. If healthy he should throw for over 30 TD's this year and hopefully limit the picks to 20 or so.

That would be solid progress and make him a top 5-10 QB.

I'm happy as a loon to have him here. He'll learn from his mistakes. And some rusty was expected.

[bengalsLB]

First off, what a relief in getting the win...hats off to a real team effort.

But is anyone else concerned about Palmer? He had some serious lapses.

1. The INT called back.

2. The INT into the endzone...take the sack or fire it away!!!!!

3. The underthrown ball AGAIN to Chad. This has to be the 10th underthrown ball to Chad I've witnessed. WTF is that? Why does he throw off his back foot like that?

4. The fumble on his scramble.

Without the penalty on the INT return, we may lose momentum and lose this game, not to mention the missed opportunities from his other mistakes.

Note to Carson: This is now the regular season. Time to sharpen it up.

I hope he gets coached up this week to emilinate mistakes like this. They will be deadly against the PIT and BAL teams later on.

DUDE on the called back int was cause T.J fell he made 2 bad plays the whole game

[Dadraftnick]

Palmer had an good game.Dont get too excited.Palmer has only started for one year on the NFL.He is a work in progress,as he learns he will cut down on mistekes.Even Payton Manning had some struggles in his first couple of years.The thing I like about Carson is when he has a miscue like the ones you mention, he does not crumble like the QB's we have had in the past.He moves on and hopefully learns from them.

[kingwilly]

Good points taken by all, and it was a good+lucky game.

He has made progress and maintains poise but against the better teams he has to be better and not have the lapses, that is my point. He will get coached up I'm sure and continue to progress.

I still am concerned about the underthorw to Chad. Is it me or does he seem to underthrow more than not? If they are going to take long strikes he has to let Chad go get it...

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

First off, what a relief in getting the win...hats off to a real team effort.

But is anyone else concerned about Palmer? He had some serious lapses.

1. The INT called back.

2. The INT into the endzone...take the sack or fire it away!!!!!

3. The underthrown ball AGAIN to Chad. This has to be the 10th underthrown ball to Chad I've witnessed. WTF is that? Why does he throw off his back foot like that?

4. The fumble on his scramble.

Without the penalty on the INT return, we may lose momentum and lose this game, not to mention the missed opportunities from his other mistakes.

Note to Carson: This is now the regular season. Time to sharpen it up.

I hope he gets coached up this week to emilinate mistakes like this. They will be deadly against the PIT and BAL teams later on.

First, I'll say that he looked great and got it done - over 8 yds/attempt, high completion percentage.

That said...

The scrambling and the INT in the endzone are actually worrisome. He was scrambling all preseason, did it again today, and it's not his thing. He's never been a scrambler, he doesn't have the ball security instincts, please just don't do it unless absolutely necessary. He's either going to keep fumbling or get hurt (remember him not sliding in the Redskins game?).

The INT was beyond stupid. A FG there makes it a 3-score game. And he did more than force it - he threw over the middle into a crowd of defenders while being sacked. Can't do that.

Outside of that, he was incredibly sharp. He was very accurate, made great reads, made quick progressions, didn't throw into coverage, and all in all looked great.

It's easier to stop doing dumb stuff than it is to learn how to be a good QB. I know it was just the Brownies, but he looked like a guy who's ready to be a top 10 and maybe top 5 QB.

[CTBengalsFan]

107.5 rating. I'll take that considering it's only the first game.

[John Stofa]

Wow, what a crazy thread. Anyone who can be critical of Carson Palmer after this game was probably going to criticize him regardless how he played today.

26-34, 280 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT, 107.5 QB Rating

And that 76.5% completion percentage could have been even better. He threw at least three passes away intentionally and another incompletion came on the hail mary at the end of the first half.

That's a great opening game, I don't care what quarterback it is. And it had nothing to do with "luck".

[membengal]

Wow, what a crazy thread. Anyone who can be critical of Carson Palmer after this game was probably going to criticize him regardless how he played today.

26-34, 280 yards, 2 TD's, 1 INT, 107.5 QB Rating

And that 76.5% completion percentage could have been even better. He threw at least three passes away intentionally and another incompletion came on the hail mary at the end of the first half.

That's a great opening game, I don't care what quarterback it is. And it had nothing to do with "luck".

Thank you.

For gawdssake people, get some perspective.

[vettespd20]

He had a great game. Remember this was the first game of the season and it was an away game. I thought not only did he have a good game, he also LEAD THIS TEAM TO A WIN. He was directing traffic and changing plays. He helped the team pound the ball and drive it down the field. As far as lucky breaks, I think that the browns had a lot more breaks than we did, how many dropped INT did we have?? I know of 3 right now. Also look at other TOP QB's in the league and the way they played on sunday!!! How good did Manning play and Daunte?? REST MY CASE.

[turningpoint]

the man had 7 incompletions on 34 attempts....people seriously.

[redsbengalsbucks]

But is anyone else concerned about Palmer? He had some serious lapses.

Not really. For large stretches of the game Palmer was nearly unstoppable. My biggest complaint came when he threw the late pick into the endzone instead of taking the sack. Swallow the ball and it's 2nd down...plenty of chances to run a higher percentage play than the one he gambled on. And even if you don't gain another yard after taking the sack you can still kick the gimmee FG and go up by three scores. But that's about it when it comes to lobbing complaints from this chair.

The fumble didn't bug me. Palmer did a great job of avoiding one player and didn't know the other defender was there. It happens.

The underthrow didn't bug me. Palmers accuracy was first rate in this game and you're not going to get them all.

The pick he threw didn't bug me....mostly because it was called back. It's about time the Bengals got a break like that. Ad for any Brownie who? wants to whine about the call I'd remind them of the pass interference that WASN'T called on the deep ball to Chad. Early contact and a defender pulling on the left arm of the wideout is supposed to be a penalty, right?

But back to the point of the thread, Palmer was very good. Not perfect, but very good.

Could not have said it better Hair, at least we agree on football. That is what's most important anyway.

I was more upset about calling a pass play than Palmer throwing the INT, run the ball to finish the game, 3 points in that situation would have iced it.

[BengalByTheBay]

Good points taken by all, and it was a good+lucky game.

He has made progress and maintains poise but against the better teams he has to be better and not have the lapses, that is my point. He will get coached up I'm sure and continue to progress.

I still am concerned about the underthorw to Chad. Is it me or does he seem to underthrow more than not? If they are going to take long strikes he has to let Chad go get it...

I think there are still some things that are not quite yet there for CP, King. The first INT was luck because the hands to the face penalty on the other side was a bad call. Don't know about TJ falling down, it looked like a bad pass to me. The INT in the end zone was about a foot away from being a TD, he just didn't get enough on it. If he had lofted it a little more we'd all be saying he's a improvisational genius. That one actually didn't bug me so much -- just trying a little too hard I think. CP did a good job earlier in the game of getting rid of the ball to avoid the sack.

I share your concern about the underthrows -- this goes back to last season. Anybody notice how CP sort of bounces a second before letting it go. I think he needs to get rid of the ball sooner rather than waiting for the separation. That way he doesn't have to huck it quite as far. He puts a lot of air underneath it and it's definitely a pretty ball -- he just needs to trust Chad to go get it. On this one, I'm completely with ya King.

[Wraith]

On the pass interception that wasn't...yeah the hands to the face call was bulls**t, TJ fell down on the route which was the only reason it wasn't a completion, your not seriously going to put that on Palmer, are you? It was a tming route the ball was out of his hands before TJ slipped SH!T HAPPENS

[Kirkendall]

Carson had a 107.5 pass rating.... how is there concern with that?

[bengalindian]

Damn you people! I come back from class, and everything I want to say is already said. Oh well, I'm saying it anyway:

The pick that was called back was because TJ fell down. No biggie.

The pick in the endzone. Won't happen again, Carson's too smart.

Fumble. Not the worst fumble of the weekend (See Justin Zwick).

The underthrown ball. The only "problem" I saw, which wasn't even that big of a deal, because it shouldn't happen again, just that it happened multiple times in the preseason. Hopefully, him and Chad work it out and everything will be dandy.

There, I'm good. Now, if Zwick had only slid, this weekend would have been amazing!

[Kirkendall]

Fumble. Not the worst fumble of the weekend (See Justin Zwick).

I saw Zwick. I cried after seeing Zwick. I cry still.

[oldschooler]

Wow.

I would hate to see some people on this board if they would have LOST.