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[membengal]

(Rolls eyes, wonders how many practices TJ attended and how many sessions of practice film he watched with the coaches...)

(Rolls eyes, wonders how many posts membengal has read here, also wonders why membengal can't understand why a bengal fan might express an opinion on a forum expressly designed for fans to express opinions)

(Rolls eyes, always wonders why you appear to be ready to hurl yourself off the nearest building over stuff like this.)

Really dude, the cuts are what they are. Honestly, I am as surprised as you at the Bramlet cut, but, then again, I have only been to two practices and have watched no film. I'm just saying, to say the cuts "suck" is perhaps 150% over-the-top. But, then again, that tends to be your "style", so you are at least consistent.

I tend to trust ML a little more is all.

[DontPushMe]

In the other big roster moves, Craig Krenzel won the No. 3 quarterback job despite completing 20 percent fewer passes than Casey Bramlet

This is the height of stupidity. Why didnt they just cut Bramlet after signing Krenzel to see if he could catch on somewhere else while he still had the chance.

If they cut Krenzel, he almost certainly gets snagged by someone (Bears, Lions, come to mind) since he's cheap and has actual NFL experience (and a 3-2 record as a starter).

Bramlet, OTOH, will almost certainly clear waivers and be re-signed to the PS.

But in any event, this is hardly "the height of stupidity." Sheesh, if we ever get in a situation where we have to go to our 3rd string QB, we're f**ked anyhow.

Oh I know, they both suck, and neither should ever see the feild. But Bramlet seems to suck less. He proved himself in the preseason. Im not even really argueing the choice, though I do disagree with it. My problem is that it clearly wasnt a real competition, Krenzel was the pick from the day he was signed.

To the dude who said it was a move for next year, no, Krenzel is terrible, if hes ever our #2 we are f**ked. Same with Bramlet. If Kit goes, we will have to either draft a #2 in the 3rd or 4th round, or sign a vet backup.

[BengalPappaw]

Maybe this suspension of Clemons explains his lack of attendance at one of our "voluntary" camps -- he was "busy".

[HoosierCat]

Just a note: it appears that Brandon Williams is not eligible for the PS...not sure why. But read it on Curnutte's blog, then went back to check Hobson because I was sure he said Moore and Russell were the only two ineligible. Which, if your check the story copy/pasted on page 1 of this thread, is what he said. Hobson has since changed the story to include Williams (without, of course, noting any update or anything. Nice try, Geoff.)

[TJJackson]

Ok then...so in this opinion-stating forum, your stated opinion will always be "I trust marvin, so whatever the Bengals do must be right".

Why bother to state it at all if it never changes?

Kinda boring and sheep-like, but hey, whatever floats your boat, and you are of course free to state and restate the same blanket one-size-fits-all opinion of "marvin can do no wrong" as many times as you like.

I on the other hand choose to exercise my free will and my ability to think and judge, and will express me agreemet with some things he does (ex: signing Wilkerson) while expressing my disagree with other things he does. (ex: cutting L Moore while keeping M Askew)

You do realize this forum is, when you boil it all down, about expressing own's own individual opinion?

[HoosierCat]

My problem is that it clearly wasnt a real competition, Krenzel was the pick from the day he was signed.

Could be. But...is that really that surprising? I mean, if the last couple years ought to have taught us anything, it's that expediency is a key element in Marvin's management style. Which is great from a fan's perspective, but can be rough on players. But it isn't much different anywhere else in the league.

[membengal]

Ok then...so in this opinion-stating forum, your stated opinion will always be "I trust marvin, so whatever the Bengals do must be right".

Why bother to state it at all if it never changes?

Kinda boring and sheep-like, but hey, whatever floats your boat, and you are of course free to state and restate the same blanket one-size-fits-all opinion of "marvin can do no wrong" as many times as you like.

I on the other hand choose to exercise my free will and my ability to think and judge, and will express me agreemet with some things he does (ex: signing Wilkerson) while expressing my disagree with other things he does. (ex: cutting L Moore while keeping M Askew)

You do realize this forum is, when you boil it all down, about expressing own's own individual opinion?

It's just that you always seem ready to kill yourself. I worry about you, I really do. I thought you were going to knife yourself during the draft when the 5th-7th rounds didn't go quite like you hoped.

I am not sure "suck" is really the right word is all.

They are what they are.

[DontPushMe]

^^^ I remember him during the 5th-7th rounds.

"GET MIKE BROWN OUT OF THE DRAFT ROOM! MY DAY IS RUINED!"

Now watch, his response to this will be something like "i never read DPM posts" even though he spends more time responding to me then he does whining about our 3rd stringers and other scrubs.

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

The only cut I dont like is Langston Moore.

[Dadraftnick]

I was surprised that they cut Elvis Patterson in the last cuts.He had a good pre season and played better than he did last year.He was one of the few players that have looked like a sack threat .Langston Moore should have been kept.The team played better against the run once he began starting.As far as Krenzel goes, I am the biggest Ohio State fan but, they won the national title inspite of him, not because him.He is inacurate and has a weak arm.He struggled to hit 50% of his passes.I hope they pick up (just cut) B.J.Symons 65% completion 52 TD's(Record) in a season.I am surprised they did not pick up Gino Guidugli.Either of the two are better than Krenzel.I have not been that impressed with Shaun Smith,he is OK not as good as Moore.I dont know you how you keep Mathias Askew either when he has not been on the field for game day for 2 years.I was glad to see them keep Greg Brooks,I was worried they would not, he will be a good back up that can start if need.It does not hurt he has 4.39 speed.

[joshh967]

In one way im so pissed about some of these cuts and i wonder what the hell they were thinking. But in another way i think of Marvin Lewis and know that he has never let me down in the past.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

Ok then...so in this opinion-stating forum, your stated opinion will always be "I trust marvin, so whatever the Bengals do must be right".

Why bother to state it at all if it never changes?

Kinda boring and sheep-like, but hey, whatever floats your boat, and you are of course free to state and restate the same blanket one-size-fits-all opinion of "marvin can do no wrong" as many times as you like.

I on the other hand choose to exercise my free will and my ability to think and judge, and will express me agreemet with some things he does (ex: signing Wilkerson) while expressing my disagree with other things he does. (ex: cutting L Moore while keeping M Askew)

You do realize this forum is, when you boil it all down, about expressing own's own individual opinion?

Thanks, needed to be said for the Marvin sheeple.

Losing Clemons is not good for that long, some nice production lost from a #'s standpoint if nothing else. Pray Geathers or Smith don't get hurt any time soon. Frankly that situation sucks.

And as I watch Warrick looking good in practice for the Hawks on their web site, I still am scratching my head about that move, and think about when Lapham reported Dillon had a "degenerative knee" condition too years ago, also.

In Marvin will I trust when he has a winning record here first.

[Kazkal]

The 3rd QB is our future 2nd string is why it matters.

[membengal]

Ok then...so in this opinion-stating forum, your stated opinion will always be "I trust marvin, so whatever the Bengals do must be right". 

Why bother to state it at all if it never changes?

Kinda boring and sheep-like, but hey, whatever floats your boat, and you are of course free to state and restate the same blanket one-size-fits-all opinion of "marvin can do no wrong" as many times as you like.

I on the other hand choose to exercise my free will and my ability to think and judge, and will express me agreemet with some things he does (ex: signing Wilkerson) while expressing my disagree with other things he does. (ex: cutting L Moore while keeping M Askew)  

You do realize this forum is, when you boil it all down, about expressing own's own individual opinion?

Thanks, needed to be said for the Marvin sheeple.

Losing Clemons is not good for that long, some nice production lost from a #'s standpoint if nothing else. Pray Geathers or Smith don't get hurt any time soon. Frankly that situation sucks.

And as I watch Warrick looking good in practice for the Hawks on their web site, I still am scratching my head about that move, and think about when Lapham reported Dillon had a "degenerative knee" condition too years ago, also.

In Marvin will I trust when he has a winning record here first.

What is the alternative Shula? How many practices have any of us been to? Yeah, the Moore cut is surprising, but one might surmise that Smith showed some stuff to take his place away from him. Hard to say, we have not seen f**k all of practices. It's one thing to go nuts based on s**t we all can see from game play on Sundays in the fall, and quite another to lose your s**t over stuff that we really, frankly, have no real way of evaluating.

That's a long way from merely saying "trust Marvin". When it comes down to final cuts like this, all a fanbase can do is hope their coaches know what they are doing. As it so happens, ML's track record on that front gives some reason for trust over the last few years. Much more so, than say, the guy in your avatar, or Coslet or LeBeau.

[HoosierCat]

Moore is a Cardinal...

http://azcardinals.com/news/news_details.html?iid=3033

[schweinhart]

Losing Clemons is not good for that long, some nice production lost from a #'s standpoint if nothing else. Pray Geathers or Smith don't get hurt any time soon. Frankly that situation sucks.

That thought careened in my mind as well until I remembered.....David Pollack. He's proly gonna be a better DE than SSLB for awhile anyway.

The worst thing about losing Big Duane is inside at DT IMO. He's just wily w/ the technique and gets penetration better than anyone else on the team from there. B-Rob helps a great deal there but Thornton has to play every game like he did vs. Titans last year to get any real pressure up the middle.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

What is the alternative Shula? How many practices have any of us been to? Yeah, the Moore cut is surprising, but one might surmise that Smith showed some stuff to take his place away from him. Hard to say, we have not seen f**k all of practices. It's one thing to go nuts based on s**t we all can see from game play on Sundays in the fall, and quite another to lose your s**t over stuff that we really, frankly, have no real way of evaluating.

That's a long way from merely saying "trust Marvin". When it comes down to final cuts like this, all a fanbase can do is hope their coaches know what they are doing. As it so happens, ML's track record on that front gives some reason for trust over the last few years. Much more so, than say, the guy in your avatar, or Coslet or LeBeau.

Well I don't disagree, but don't see any reason to have blind faith in the man, to the extent that he never makes a questionable or bad move.

This is what a forum usually involves, debate over such things, if all one has to say is "Marvin knows what he's doing," then there would be few reasons to come here.

I like Marvin...but he's only as good as his assistants, and his major personnel decisions, and the limitations of the Brown family.

I'm not ready to give him the key to the city yet.

Benefit of the doubt, yes, blind faith, no.

[DontPushMe]

Moore is a Cardinal...

http://azcardinals.com/news/news_details.html?iid=3033

Their D-line must be bad for them to of had to pick Moore up for the 53 man roster. I kinda feel bad for them. Oh well, hes their problem now, not ours!