jjakq27 Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3853196?GT1=6773I know this is the football forum but......Here is Raffy's statement.http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3853352 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semiotter Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Say it isnt so Raffy!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 Here is Raffy's statement.http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3853352 Considering what he said during the hearing isn't any statement by Raffy worthless? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted August 1, 2005 Report Share Posted August 1, 2005 What a Dumbass. I can still remember him pointing at Congressional members with that 80's porn star mustache." I have NEVER, EVER, EVVEREVVVVEERRREEEEEVVVVVERRRR taken steroids Nice Play Ray Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 What a joke. Why even bother opening your mouth? Just plead the fifth and be done with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 Here is Raffy's statement.http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/3853352Considering what he said during the hearing isn't any statement by Raffy worthless? Yea, it does. Moreso, it added a little more validity to Jose Canseco -- ouch.What happens now? Is this the media just over-exploding on a story before ALL the facts are in? The way MLB is positioning itself, I doubt it. Yet, Raffy, and I believe for the sake of Hall of Fame voters, is denying it -- this time adding the word, "knowingly". Too bad too. He was one of the good stories in MLB and his HOF celebration would have been great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 That's just the thing, when confronted with proof they all say they didn't take steroids knowingly. It was just an unfortunate accident they say. This positive test only makes me more of a victim they say. Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 2, 2005 Report Share Posted August 2, 2005 In other roid-related news today...Ravens | Sanders Says He Failed Drug TestTue, 2 Aug 2005 10:30:12 -0700WJZ.com reports Baltimore Ravens CB Deion Sanders failed a steroid test before joining the team last year. Sanders admitted that he failed the test when asked to comment about Rafael Palmeiro's 10 day suspension from baseball. Sanders is now part of the random steroid testing program in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Well, ya knew it was coming: you’re nobody if you don’t do steroids. So if asked, confess, even if you haven't!!!“Oh yeah, man, I got busted for ‘roids, too!”http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8699227WESTMINSTER, Md. -- Deion Sanders flashed his trademark smile as he stepped in front of a wave of cameras, microphones and tape recorders.He spoke at length Tuesday about his second year with the Baltimore Ravens when the questions suddenly turned to the hottest topic in sports: steroids.Someone asked Sanders if he believed that Baltimore Orioles first baseman Rafael Palmeiro might have accidentally taken steroids. Sanders' grin suddenly vanished. He paused for a moment, then revealed a secret he had kept for nearly a year.Sanders said that shortly before he decided to end his three-year retirement last Aug. 31, he received medical treatment for an ankle he hurt while playing basketball. When he took his Ravens' physical, steroids were detected in his system."The next thing I know they're testing me weekly. I'm like, what's going on? I had never had a prior," he recalled. "They told me I flunked the steroid test. I was on the random steroid test every week because I took something for my ankle."The Ravens, however, said late Tuesday that Sanders never failed a drug test, but was given weekly screenings because he skipped a random drug test shortly before he retired from the Washington Redskins in 2000.Ravens spokesman Kevin Byrne said the missed test gave the NFL "reasonable cause" to screen Sanders on a weekly basis upon his return to the league.Because the treatment was administered before he rejoined the NFL and confirmed by his doctor, Sanders was not disciplined by the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Well, ya knew it was coming: you’re nobody if you don’t do steroids. So if asked, confess, even if you haven't!!!“Oh yeah, man, I got busted for ‘roids, too!” hahaha I thought the same thing when I saw Deion flashing his pearly whites all over Sportscenter yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Should baseball install a policy that's equal to betting on the game? Shouldn't the whole Pete Rose being banned argument surface? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stripes Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Should baseball install a policy that's equal to betting on the game? Shouldn't the whole Pete Rose being banned argument surface? Yes, and it has to some extent. Despite cries of unfairness all over Cincinnati, it seems the baseball world values a steroid using cheater above a man that bet on the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Should baseball install a policy that's equal to betting on the game? Shouldn't the whole Pete Rose being banned argument surface? Josh!! Great freakin' point my man!! Hell Yeah!!I loved this part of his statement:I am sure you will ask how I tested positive for a banned substance. As I look back, I don't have a specific answer to give. ]Unfortunately, I wasn't able to explain to the arbitrator how the banned substance entered my bodyTranslation: My attorney and I haven't made up a plausible enough excuse yet. I'll get back to you later on that. Do you think they'll believe It happend because I sat on the toilet seat right after Barry Bonds did? Well it could happen, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Yea, I seriously find the steriods thing very hypocritical. First they ignore. Then they say, ok, we're looking into it. Media and fans got pissed. Congress says, hey, this is America's pasttime -- a few remaining American traditions left quickly degraded -- and have hearings...AFTER ALL THAT! Baseball suspends the guy for 10 days -- not games -- and Pete Rose is still offering books and autographs to make ends meet. Note to Bud: THIS IS WHY PEOPLE LAUGH AT YOU AND CAN'T WAIT FOR YOU TO LEAVE. f**ker.If the owners and MLB locked out the players until a "one-and-done" policy is in place, would you support the owners? Even if a full season is lost, ie NHL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 I just don't see the huge deal with steroids. people have been cheating in every sport for years. Anyone know about an ol time hall of famer name Gaylord Perry(vaseline ball), who, by the way, is glorified for cheating. Remember in the 70's when Wr's used stick-em. Or how about the lineman that would grease up their jersey so no one could grab on them. Basically what I'm saying is:IF your not Cheating, your not trying hard enough"And how is this cheating any different than any of the other cheating that has gone on, especially when up until now, there were no rules to make it cheatingAnd now, on to Pete RoseThis guy just simply pissed the wrong guy off. No one brings up that Mickey Mantle was a drunk, or how Babe Ruth was a womanizer. Pete just straight up messed with the wrong guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 True. But if you're going to have a "spirit" of competitive balance, what balance is it when most players don't take the drug because they choose not to? What should we do about those players that choose not to take it already falling behind? Further more, if it's illegal, why is this even being discussed? If it's illegal, shouldn't the law step in? I also find that hypocritical with sports and real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted August 3, 2005 Report Share Posted August 3, 2005 Further more, if it's illegal, why is this even being discussed? If it's illegal, shouldn't the law step in? I also find that hypocritical with sports and real life.Very true, but I remember a little thing about Washington being reluctant to call the NFL because of Redskins gmaes and the preferiential treatment they gotAnd why doesn't the law step in. Thy aren't just breaking a league policy, they are breaking the alw and going scott free.Imagine this. You get pulled over for speeding, so you tell the guy, hey, I'm in the NFL.And tehn the officer says, "well why didn't ya say so, you guys can do whatever you want.I don't know about you guys, but I'd just start robbing people, jsut for fun I am also interested to see what comes about in this as far as those Congressional hearing go. I be Raffy stands in front of that commitee again. And the ironic part is that Bush and co are actually supporting the guy saying they don't believe he did it on purpose, now it's been leaked that he took something that isn't in any supplement, but something that can only be ingested or INJECTED" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 [soapbox]Regardless of whether you think it ought to be OK to do steroids in sports or not, right now in baseball it's against the rules. And if baseball (or any other sport) wants to be taken seriously it has to come down on players who break the rules. The Rose example is a good one. Agree or disagree with it, they pulled out the rulebook and knocked his a** clear out of the game with it. Now they need to do the same with Palmeiro. You want steroids out of baseball? Then start kicking players out. Otherwise you may as well legalize them and fess up that most or all of your ratings and fan interest depends on drug-boosted freaks who can hit homers.[/soapbox] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 How much you want to bet Baltimore throws a Rafael Palmeiro day? You can see it now, Palmerio gives an impassioned speech, fans stand and applaud for 20 minutes, drives around in a flashy sports car, waves, kisses a few babies, signs a few autographs...I do commend baseball for doing this though and, as JC said, it has to do this to be taken seriously. This is a good first step at healing the wound that's killed the game the past 10 years (as we see now). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 More on Roids, from Joe Morgan"I have reservations, not only about Rafael Palmeiro but a lot of the guys who are going to come in with numbers obtained during this era," he told the Philadelphia Inquirer. "I think there just has to be a penalty.....I just don't know what that is yet." Morgan, 61, challenged baseball to continue justifying Pete Rose's exclusion from the Hall for betting on baseball if known steroid users are inducted. "If you are going to let people into the Hall who have done steroids, then you have to let Pete Rose in, because this has hurt baseball more." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 I agree with Joe about Pete, but not about steroids. Here's the way I look at it. Fisrt of all in this "steroid era" nothing was illegial until recently. So I don't think this is any different than Joe using tooo much pine tar or the vaseline ball I mentioned earlier. People will use anything to "enhance" their game, even with just superstitions. Could Pedro Cerrano hit that home run in Major League without JOBU I think not. Secondly, because up until now, there is no way to really know who took them and who was clean. Do I think Mark Mcgwire used steriods? Of course, but at the time he wasn't breaking the rules so how do you punish the guy? Now that there are rules against this, MLB would be smart to make an example out of a guy like Raffy cause PR wise they are in a world of hurt and they are going to have a hard time selling "small ball" to the average fan. Speaking of that anyway, I think it's obvious that MLB knew this was going on all along but allowed it to happen after the disasterous 95 strike, then knowingly used the home run to bring the fan back. That's why we're here in the first place, and it just goes to show you that MLB could give a s**t less about the guys making them the money as long as the money is rolling in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 4, 2005 Report Share Posted August 4, 2005 "If you are going to let people into the Hall who have done steroids, then you have to let Pete Rose in, because this has hurt baseball more."Can anyone tell me how Pete Rose Betting on the Reds to win has hurt the game of baseball! I think throwing spit balls do more!On the original subject, do you think Palmeiro's use of Viagra might have caused a false positive? It's like a steroid for your weiner in a way, am I right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted August 6, 2005 Report Share Posted August 6, 2005 "If you are going to let people into the Hall who have done steroids, then you have to let Pete Rose in, because this has hurt baseball more."Can anyone tell me how Pete Rose Betting on the Reds to win has hurt the game of baseball! I think throwing spit balls do more!On the original subject, do you think Palmeiro's use of Viagra might have caused a false positive? It's like a steroid for your weiner in a way, am I right? you got it right again Broome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 7, 2005 Report Share Posted August 7, 2005 you got it right again BroomeWhich one? The part about Pete Rose betting on baseball or Rafael Palmeiro's problem might be a Viagra side effect? I'm kidding of course, I just think that I should point out that my opinions and points of view on the game of baseball are seldom embraced by other members here as being "right" the majority of the time!I found this today while scanning the news, and out of the multitude of comments and articles written about the Rafael Palmeiro steroids scandal, none was better than the following:Now baseball has its stained blue dress! I wonder where they're going to hang that little beauty in Cooperstown? Speaking of Cooperstown, did anyone see Sparky Andersons glee at his induction? Oh man...I have got to stop spilling so much bourbon in my coffee cup on weekends! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted August 8, 2005 Report Share Posted August 8, 2005 What a Dumbass. I can still remember him pointing at Congressional members with that 80's porn star mustache." I have NEVER, EVER, EVVEREVVVVEERRREEEEEVVVVVERRRR taken steroids Nice Play Ray If anybody knows where I can download that (now a comedy) clip, please let me know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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