Trade Possibilities

[shworge]

Found this tibdit out on Yahoo Sports:

Eagles coach Andy Reid has traded up in both of the last two drafts and has ample ammunition this year to make similar moves. With pairs of picks in both the second and third rounds, and concerns at the defensive line and wide receiver spot, it is almost a certainty Reid will put together a package of picks to move up from the 31st overall choice. Two likely targets are the Cincinnati Bengals at No 17 and Dallas Cowboys at No. 20.

The New York Jets moving up to draft Virginia tight end Heath Miller.

The Jets are another team that could target the Bengals at No. 17 and try to move up to take Miller. Though Miller doesn't appear to fit many needs for teams ahead of the Jets, head coach Herm Edwards may not be willing to risk waiting for Miller to fall to him.

I'd be OK with either trade as long as Thomas Davis and Troy Williamson were already gone.

[jditty47]

well the jets wont be doing that now that they traded for jolley so...who knows about the eagles though.

[TJJackson]

I think the Bengals will entertain such offers, so they know who is interested, but won't make any decisions on those offers until they are on the clock.

why? they want to know if there is a guy they prefer to all open offers is available at pick 17. Example: let's say LB Derrick Johnson falls to 17. Ridiculous, but just to illustrate the point. Bengals probably would be inclined to make that pick rather than trade down, in my opinion.

Also, you only (and exceptions might be made where the salary cap is influencing your decision) trade down when you are fairly certain that a guy you want will be available at that later pick.

I see trade downs as likely for the Bengals this year, but not until they are on the clock.

[BengalszoneBilly]

It's these very type of unforseen/unpredictable transactions that occur just before the draft that almost totally skewers every mock draft drawn up by anyone anywhere? Now they all are scrambling to re-assess each teams position and probabilities, just due to this trade.

Why bother making up a mock until a day before the draft? Any earlier seems to be futile!

[cincykent]

Trading with the Eagles would be the best move, as long as the Bengals end up with the Eagles picks at #31 and #35. They can fill their need at Center and DL/LB/S. That would give them 3 of the first 48 picks. All the experts are saying the real value this year is picks #20-50.

[TJJackson]

see Trade Value Chart: http://www.nflfans.com/draft/staticpages/i...040112141754733

950 Pick 17

600 Pick 31

550 Pick 35

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1150 total value

I'd make this trade in a heartbeat ---IF--- no players we covet at 17 remain.

[HoosierCat]

Hobson seems to think the Seattle trade is the most likely, followed by a swap with the 'boys...

http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCur...=0&news_id=2854

[HoosierCat]

I want some of this guy is smokin'...

http://www.gbnreport.com/2005projection.htm

So, to summarize, we walk out of day 1 with:

Dan Cody

Luis Castillo

Channing Crowder

Richie Incognito

[BengalsDieHard1]

Who is this Richie Ingognito dude? Is he related to Ron Mexico?????????

[chrishcovga]

Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Round 4 Round 5 Round 6 Round 7

1 3,000 33 580 65 265 97 112 129 43 161 27 193 14.2

2 2,600 34 560 66 260 98 108 130 42 162 26.6 194 13.8

3 2,200 35 550 67 255 99 104 131 41 163 26.2 195 13.4

4 1,800 36 540 68 250 100 100 132 40 164 25.8 196 13

5 1,700 37 530 69 245 101 96 133 39.5 165 25.4 197 12.6

6 1,600 38 520 70 240 102 92 134 39 166 25 198 12.2

7 1,500 39 510 71 235 103 88 135 38.5 167 24.6 199 11.8

8 1,400 40 500 72 230 104 86 136 38 168 24.2 200 11.4

9 1,350 41 490 73 225 105 84 137 37.5 169 23.8 201 11

10 1,300 42 480 74 220 106 82 138 37 170 23.4 202 10.6

11 1,250 43 470 75 215 107 80 139 36.5 171 23 203 10.2

12 1,200 44 460 76 210 108 78 140 36 172 22.6 204 9.8

13 1,150 45 450 77 205 109 76 141 35.5 173 22.2 205 9.4

14 1,100 46 440 78 200 110 74 142 35 174 21.8 206 9

15 1,050 47 430 79 195 111 72 143 34.5 175 21.4 207 8.6

16 1,000 48 420 80 190 112 70 144 34 176 21 208 8.2

17 950 49 410 81 185 113 68 145 33.5 177 20.6 209 7.8

18 900 50 400 82 180 114 66 146 33 178 20.2 210 7.4

19 875 51 390 83 175 115 64 147 32.6 179 19.8 211 7

20 850 52 380 84 170 116 62 148 32.2 180 19.4 212 6.6

21 800 53 370 85 165 117 60 149 31.8 181 19 213 6.2

22 780 54 360 86 160 118 58 150 31.4 182 18.6 214 5.8

23 760 55 350 87 155 119 56 151 31 183 18.2 215 5.4

24 740 56 340 88 150 120 54 152 30.6 184 17.8 216 5

25 720 57 330 89 145 121 52 153 30.2 185 17.4 217 4.6

26 700 58 320 90 140 122 50 154 29.8 186 17 218 4.2

27 680 59 310 91 136 123 49 155 29.4 187 16.6 219 3.8

28 660 60 300 92 132 124 48 156 29 188 16.2 220 3.4

29 640 61 292 93 128 125 47 157 28.6 189 15.8 221 3

30 620 62 284 94 124 126 46 158 28.2 190 15.4 222 2.6

31 600 63 276 95 120 127 45 159 27.8 191 15 223 2.3

32 590 64 270 96 116 128 44 160 27.4 192 14.6 224 2

- Since so many guys on here use this chart to debate the values of certain draft day trades, I figured I'd post it so everyone could see what the hell we were all talking about. First number on left is the pick, the second number is the point attributed to that pick.

* NOTE * The chart is like a guideline, not a standard. Just because picks # 38, and 47 = 950 i.e. the value of # 17, there is no rule that says another later round pick won't be added because of the considered " value " of the player being traded up for !! :player:

[The_Next_Big_Thing]

Who is this Richie Ingognito dude? Is he related to Ron Mexico?????????

Incognito is the other center (besides Spencer) that Marvin had an interview with here in Cincinnati. He's a good player, but he has a temper problem. They say he has all the tools, but he's been kicked off two teams, lost his temper on the field and off the field, etc. But he's strong as hell, and has all the size and speed you want in a starter.

He's a BIGTIME risk because of character questions. Someone said he's the poster child for steroid use, and they might be right, but he's never tested positive.

[HoosierCat]

I had my eye on Incognito last year...here's a writeup...

http://2005.otcdraft.com/content/profiles/...ieIncognito.php

[HairOnFire]

So, to summarize, we walk out of day 1 with:

Dan Cody

Luis Castillo

Channing Crowder

Richie Incognito

Perfect, a guy who takes medication for clinical depression, a steroid user, a guy who has had more knee surgeries than a shop teacher has fingers, and finally...the poster boy for steroid abuse, frequent injuries, and uncontrollable rage. The next days Bungle related headlines will practically write themselves.

[HairOnFire]

Kiper has Incognito pegged as a 2nd rounder despite the concerns. I don't but it, but that's probably just wishful thinking on my part.

[HoosierCat]

So, to summarize, we walk out of day 1 with:

Dan Cody

Luis Castillo

Channing Crowder

Richie Incognito

Perfect, a guy who takes medication for clinical depression, a steroid user, a guy who has had more knee surgeries than a shop teacher has fingers, and finally...the poster boy for steroid abuse, frequent injuries, and uncontrollable rage. The next days Bungle related headlines will practically write themselves.

I don't care who ya are, that's funny!!!

(And it's funny 'cause it's true!)

[BeyondTheJungle]

One of my professors wrote a research paper on the trades that happend during the draft. In it, he discussed how this draft pick value chart overvalues players throughout the draft. The paper is very academic and long (50 pgs) so I wrote up a summary and put it on my blog.

Evidentally a few teams have called him to discuss the strategies he lays out. But when I talked to him today, he said he doubts any will implement it this weekend. His best guess is that it will have a longer term effect on how much teams are willing to give up to get a player, especially in the early part of the first round. A prime example would be the Clowns trading up one spot to get K2 last year.

Anyway, I apologize for the self-promotion of my blog, but I think it's an intereting article that people might enjoy.