HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Not sure about the Edge, but Rudi's deal probably won't create a stir in Seattle. Yesterday I read where Seattle claimed the never had any real interest in trading Alexander, would have no problem allowing him to play at the tagged price, and openly admitted that they were very likely to tag Alexander again next year. In other words, exactly what I thought the Bengals would do if they couldn't get the long-term contract agreement with Rudi. We shall see. Personally, I think that between this deal, the Jordan deal, and a predicted influx of good young RBs in the draft, Alexander and Edge are going to have to adjust their sights downward if they want a long-term deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalsfansince68 Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 RJ would be a bargain on a rookie 4th round pick contract. Anything more and hes either getting what hes worth, or being overpaid (in this case, overpaid)Mike Brown always was good about keeping average/below average/crappy starters around by overpaying them though. So i guess im not too suprised about this. Get a clue. Get a life.When will you name these players who are better and paid less? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Bargain? are you joking? If you want i could look up a bunch of players who are better then rj that get paid less then him. This isnt a bargain, we got screwed.Oh, stop it. The act has gotten old, DPM. Even if you want to say that Rudi is simply an average NFL back, he's still at worst overpaid by a few 100k a year under this new contract. I remember saying a week or two back that Rudi was easily a top 15 back, and that if the average top 5 salary is $6.3 million and the top 10 is $5.2 million then top 15 ought to be someplace around $4.8. And lo and behold Rudi gets a contract that averages $4.8 and rises to $5.2 if he kicks ass.This is a great deal -- far better than anything I expected Rudi to sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 How do you structure a 5yr-$24 mill deal that pays $16 mill in 1st 3 yrs and $10 mill in 1st yr money while winding up w/ a $6.1 mill cap hit in 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 You make a portion of the $10 million first year payout a roster bonus or salary so that it all counts against this year's cap instead of spread out throughout the length of the contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 He's a stud and I like him alot.He is the kind of guy you like to get behind and root for, ain't he? :player: He is the guy I'm behind and rooting for! :player:DontPushMe Posted on Mar 16 2005, 12:52 PM I think you need to direct your hate elsewhere though man. I never try and diss you guys, i diss players, and some of you dont like it, but that doesnt mean you need to go after me because of it.C'mon...let Pushy say whatever his opinion is on the matter. He doesn't have to agree with us, and we sure as hell don't have to agree with him. Every single post in this forum is nothing more than someones humble (or not so humble) opinion! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Mike Brown always was good about keeping average/below average/crappy starters around by overpaying them though. So i guess im not too suprised about this.You mean like Dillon? Willie Anderson? Chad Johnson?Quit saying such stupid things without thinking about them first, every team has their share of average players getting paid too much with the cap and FA. This was a real problem 3-4 years ago but not now so much.Rudi's a consistent producer who stays healthy and over the long haul barring catastrophy will be a huge boon to this team concentrating on hit's weakenesses.Right now the running game is NOT a weakeness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 You make a portion of the $10 million first year payout a roster bonus or salary so that it all counts against this year's cap instead of spread out throughout the length of the contract. If the Bengals raised the 2005 cap hit w/ a roster bonus or 1st yr salary hike for any other reason than to get Rudi's deal done in time for the franchise deadline, I have to question why. There should've been a meaty six-figure cap reduction from the tag salary, which would've helped to sign Braham, the rookies, and get another impact player or 2 on D to make a playoff bid this year.The 2009 cap hit is $4.8 is fine and the offense is virtually intact for 2005 which is great. But why not glean more available cap space to improve the D for winning NOW?Hardy and P-Dub are in line to get cut just to get Braham, the rooks, and maybe one more defensive starter, like Jamie Sharper if he gets released.WIN NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 The 2009 cap hit is $4.8 is fine and the offense is virtually intact for 2005 which is great. But why not glean more available cap space to improve the D for winning NOW?I would say because...1. They feel they are done in FA and thus the best use of the remaining cap space is to free up things down the road, and2. They are prepared to make cuts in the current roster (Warrick, Hardy, Kelley, etc.) and/or redo existing players' deals (Big Willie) in order to sign more players/draft picks.Braham, as I've said before, doesn't worry me, he'll sign one of those vet minimum deals that gets the vet exemption cap hit, so we only need about 500k of space to sign him.Really, between him and the rooks they only need about $3.5 million in space. Redo Big Willie, trade Warrick for a pick or two and cut Hardy and you are there easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 How do you structure a 5yr-$24 mill deal that pays $16 mill in 1st 3 yrs and $10 mill in 1st yr money while winding up w/ a $6.1 mill cap hit in 2005 I think this has a lot to do with the upcoming expiration of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Speaking of the CBA.....I don't want to get that uneasy feeling that just as soon as the bengals are poised to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender, there's a strike.Not wanting to jump the gun, but it's part why I'm all for winning ASAP and plugging in the people on D to get it done this year to match what should be a Top 10 offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted March 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Speaking of the CBA.....I don't want to get that uneasy feeling that just as soon as the bengals are poised to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender, there's a strike.Not wanting to jump the gun, but it's part why I'm all for winning ASAP and plugging in the people on D to get it done this year to match what should be a Top 10 offense. Yea, we could hit a worse-case scenario when it does expire.The one thing we have going for ourselves is excellent cooperation between ownership and the union. I also think, after seeing the hockey season-long vacation, the NFL is more than afraid of calling for a strike. But that's another topic I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 No point sweating the future.2005 is looking good to me. I'm just getting greedy. The Bengals tacked their course this year w/ resigning the players they wanted and got it done. The continuity will be good. My kids can keep hollering Housh and Rudi with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Not at USF, eh? What's the matter, couldn't get in? Or how about, didnt want to? Thats not the only college/university down here. I think you need to direct your hate elsewhere though man. I never try and diss you guys, i diss players, and some of you dont like it, but that doesnt mean you need to go after me because of it.RJ would be a bargain on a rookie 4th round pick contract. Anything more and hes either getting what hes worth, or being overpaid (in this case, overpaid)Mike Brown always was good about keeping average/below average/crappy starters around by overpaying them though. So i guess im not too suprised about this. Hate is a strong word. And again I think you give yourself way too much importance. I'm just poking a little fun at you, like you always say you do.IMO, anybody but Corey Dillon is a piece of crap in your mind. So obviously this makes it even harder for you to embrace Rudi like the rest of us have. Especially after he broke Corey's team record. But guess what, Corey ain't coming back. He got what he wanted. Maybe it's time to deal with that concept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 I would say because...1. They feel they are done in FA and thus the best use of the remaining cap space is to free up things down the road, and2. They are prepared to make cuts in the current roster (Warrick, Hardy, Kelley, etc.) and/or redo existing players' deals (Big Willie) in order to sign more players/draft picks.Braham, as I've said before, doesn't worry me, he'll sign one of those vet minimum deals that gets the vet exemption cap hit, so we only need about 500k of space to sign him.Really, between him and the rooks they only need about $3.5 million in space. Redo Big Willie, trade Warrick for a pick or two and cut Hardy and you are there easy. I don't think they're done. I think they've got an outside shot at Hartwell and a very good shot at Sharper if he gets released. The answer on Hartwell is supposed to be coming soon....Sharper looks like a waiting game. I still can't see the Burress option playing out, but the Bengals are just a couple of simple and predictable cuts away from having all the room they'll need....but they'll probably do nothing until they have to. And that likely dictates shelving attempts to resign Braham prior to the draft. Braham could be history if the Bengals draft a center early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Pushy comes to shove? I know it's wrong to be amused by the pain, anger and frustrations of another human being...but here we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted March 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Per FA activity Marvin Lewis had the following quote in his "State of the Team" conference.“There really doesn’t seem to be an overwhelming number of attractive players left,” said Lewis of free agency. “We can basically plug in Rudi’s new contract and not have a large distribution of cap dollars in the out years because we’ll eat as much as we can this year.”http://www.bengals.com/press/news.asp?iCur...=0&news_id=2806 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Overall, spiking the cap hit in 2005 is proly not a bad thing unless Jamie Sharper is released (which it looks like he very well might be.)I doubt cutting/trading Hardy and Warrick both frees up more than $2 million when their bonus money is counted against their $5 mill combined salary for 2005.So signing Rudi this way most likely takes them out of the running for Sharper if he's released. But they might still be able to sign someone like SS Eric Brown, cut by the Texans, or Ronald McKinnon UFA MLB from Zona. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboomer7 Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Marvin did say because of Nate's rehab that MLB may have to be addressed, and I would say that for the right price Sharper couold be had, but we'd have to get rid of some dead weight to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shworge Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Here are some details on Rudi's contract:Rudi Johnson's recent deal with the Bengals includes a $5 million signing bonus and a $5 million roster bonus that becomes earned in two weeks.This is how they were able to make the first year cap number 6.1 million and keep the future years so low. You have to applaud the Bengals for keeping our cap situation healthy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted March 21, 2005 Report Share Posted March 21, 2005 Here are some details on Rudi's contract:Rudi Johnson's recent deal with the Bengals includes a $5 million signing bonus and a $5 million roster bonus that becomes earned in two weeks.This is how they were able to make the first year cap number 6.1 million and keep the future years so low. You have to applaud the Bengals for keeping our cap situation healthy. I wonder who thought of that one? Mike, Katie, Marvin, PB Jr., Troy? They all should be commended for a job well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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