Kirkendall Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 In spirit of the soup-nazi. Anyway since it's a hot topic -- hence in the Bengals forum -- Alexander won't be a Bengal anytime soon.http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylc=X3oD...ov=ap&type=lgns
ShulaSteakhouse Posted February 22, 2005 Report Posted February 22, 2005 Hmm, another team locks up it's top 3 offensive skill players (non draft/rookie deals). Well at least two of them and Alexander is tagged and is going nowhere.
turningpoint Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 could ba a possiblity of a straight up trade...but most likely not.
DontPushMe Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 could ba a possiblity of a straight up trade...but most likely not. I hope you dont think the seahawks would be dumb enough to trade SA straight up for Rudi. We would have to throw in a 1st round pick and maybe another late round pick for them to do that. To be honest, i doubt us adding rudi to a SA trade would effect it in any way, Maurice Morris, the seahawks backup to SA is better then rudi is.
membengal Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Hmm, another team locks up it's top 3 offensive skill players (non draft/rookie deals). Well at least two of them and Alexander is tagged and is going nowhere.Just like the Bengals. CP and CJ are locked up and Rudi is tagged. Carson's rookie deal is special because he was the #1. He counts as locked up.What's your point?
HairOnFire Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 could ba a possiblity of a straight up trade...but most likely not.I hope you dont think the seahawks would be dumb enough to trade SA straight up for Rudi. We would have to throw in a 1st round pick and maybe another late round pick for them to do that. I've never indulged in a single recent fantasy that ended with Shaun Alexander in Bengal stripes. So unlike others, I have no disappointment to report now that it's official that Rudi and Shaun have been tagged. I'm a happy Bengal fan, rip roaring Rudi-tootin' and ready to rumble. So screw Shaun Alexander. Unless you're pie-eyed you know in your heart that we're not trading for that guy....so let your silly offseason fantasies die a much-deserved death. Like it or not...and I like it just fine, the Bengals have already got their RB of the future. It's Rudi. They've also got a quality young BACKUP named Perry. We're good.
DontPushMe Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 could ba a possiblity of a straight up trade...but most likely not.I hope you dont think the seahawks would be dumb enough to trade SA straight up for Rudi. We would have to throw in a 1st round pick and maybe another late round pick for them to do that. I've never indulged in a single recent fantasy that ended with Shaun Alexander in Bengal stripes. So unlike others, I have no disappointment to report now that it's official that Rudi and Shaun have been tagged. I'm a happy Bengal fan, rip roaring Rudi-tootin' and ready to rumble. So screw Shaun Alexander. Unless you're pie-eyed you know in your heart that we're not trading for that guy....so let your silly offseason fantasies die a much-deserved death. Like it or not...and I like it just fine, the Bengals have already got their RB of the future. It's Rudi. They've also got a quality young BACKUP named Perry. We're good. Perry a backup to Rudi? I hope your joking. If Perry is healthy, he will be starting by midseason. Rudi will be an afterthought.
turningpoint Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 could ba a possiblity of a straight up trade...but most likely not.I hope you dont think the seahawks would be dumb enough to trade SA straight up for Rudi. We would have to throw in a 1st round pick and maybe another late round pick for them to do that. To be honest, i doubt us adding rudi to a SA trade would effect it in any way, Maurice Morris, the seahawks backup to SA is better then rudi is. um if they can sign rudi for a lto less money, I'm pretty sure they'd take it...
CTBengalsFan Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 could ba a possiblity of a straight up trade...but most likely not.I hope you dont think the seahawks would be dumb enough to trade SA straight up for Rudi. We would have to throw in a 1st round pick and maybe another late round pick for them to do that. I've never indulged in a single recent fantasy that ended with Shaun Alexander in Bengal stripes. So unlike others, I have no disappointment to report now that it's official that Rudi and Shaun have been tagged. I'm a happy Bengal fan, rip roaring Rudi-tootin' and ready to rumble. So screw Shaun Alexander. Unless you're pie-eyed you know in your heart that we're not trading for that guy....so let your silly offseason fantasies die a much-deserved death. Like it or not...and I like it just fine, the Bengals have already got their RB of the future. It's Rudi. They've also got a quality young BACKUP named Perry. We're good. Perry a backup to Rudi? I hope your joking. If Perry is healthy, he will be starting by midseason. Rudi will be an afterthought. i'm going to bookmark this page so when the season finishes and Rudi was the starter the whole time (barring injury of course), you can reflect on how foolish you are
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Perry a backup to Rudi? I hope your joking. If Perry is healthy, he will be starting by midseason. Rudi will be an afterthought. You're basing this comment on Perry's whole 33 yards of total offense in 2004? Stop it! You're killing me!!
HoosierCat Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Hmm, another team locks up it's top 3 offensive skill players (non draft/rookie deals). Uh-huh. Also another team with no defense (ranked 26th in 2004) and a fast-dwindling amount of space to do anything about it. Hags are going noplace and I see no reason to imitate them.
HoosierCat Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 You're basing this comment on Perry's whole 33 yards of total offense in 2004? Stop it! You're killing me!! Yeah, Perry sucks. Don't understand why we don't just cut his a$$ right now. Clearly he'll never amount to anything in the NFL. Never did anything at Michigan, shouldn't have even been drafted in the any round. Lousy pick, lousy player, I'm sure he's even a lousy person who uses puppies for target practice.
BengalNation1281 Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 You're basing this comment on Perry's whole 33 yards of total offense in 2004? Stop it! You're killing me!!  Yeah, Perry sucks. Don't understand why we don't just cut his a$$ right now. Clearly he'll never amount to anything in the NFL. Never did anything at Michigan, shouldn't have even been drafted in the any round. Lousy pick, lousy player, I'm sure he's even a lousy person who uses puppies for target practice. Puppies for target practice? That's a bit much...But I bet that he takes blind, deaf orphans out to a secluded ranch in the middle of nowhere and hunts them for sport. That's more the kind of guy he is. I don't hate Perry...I hate that we used our #1 pick on him last year, and I hate that there are some who believe that he is the savior of our franchise after his huge 33-yard effort in 2004. I'd rather be skeptical like I was with Palmer... let him prove it before I'll buy into it.
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Yeah, Perry sucks. Never said that Joisey. Just saying he's proven nothing so far. I'm hoping he does pan out...eventually.I'm sure he's even a lousy person who uses puppies for target practice.Wow! Brutally funny!
ArmyBengal Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Say what you will about Rudi, however, it strikes me funny how quickly people seem to forget the level of defenses the Bengals faced this year. We played almost every top 10 defense in the league this year and Rudi STILL put up a franchise rushing record with limited fumbles. Does he have break away speed ?? No. Is he a top 5 back ?? No. (Top 10, yes) Are there portions of his game he could improve upon ?? Yes. Let's not forget he's young as hell and will get better, not worse. We will see next year when we go up against high powered offenses and the weaker D's in the league. Perry starting over Rudi by mid season will not happen. I see Rudi plowing over people in his typical power back fashion next year. I think Perry will come on and be the force ML thought he would be, but Rudi will have another big year. Just wait and see.WHODEY !!!
HoosierCat Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Just saying he's proven nothing so far. Perhaps -- but that doesn't warrant an assumption of failure. Mock his 33 yards all you want, but the reason that was his season total was 100% the Bengals' fault. They misdiagnosed his injury from the outset, and he continued to aggravate it by practicing when he shouldn't have.He's still the same kid who tore up the turf at Michigan. If Rudi, a former 4th round pick, can do what he did last year, what leads you to believe that Perry couldn't do as well or better?What would constitute proof anyhow? Let's say he hadn't been hurt and had gone out and gotten 300-500 yards as a situational back. Would that prove he could be the starter?If you're going to insist on proof, where are the calls for Rudi to prove himself? He's had one, count 'em, one good season. Anthony Thomas had one good season, too. 21 starts in the last two years, fewer than half of which (9) have produced 100-yard games. Maybe I'm being unfair but I remember more Rudi-gets-stuffed-on-3rd-and-1 type plays versus Rudi-breaks-the-big-one plays last year. And no one appears to believe that Rudi is worth franchise-level bucks, except for Rudi and his agent. Many -- as the title of this thread implies -- have in fact said that if we were going to lay out that kind of cash we should dump Rudi in favor of Alexander.
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Perhaps -- but that doesn't warrant an assumption of failure. Now, now...I'm assuming nothing. Just patiently waiting on proof.
bengalboomer7 Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Remember that Rudi was tough in college too, and still was a fourth round pick. I think he's second to Bo jackson in Auburn's career rushing records. We can argue thrid and one's and what tough D we played all off season, but you have to have some kind of talent to put out 1500 yards after a season. The fact that he is our franchise player is the bengals fault right now. They could have gotten him last year when he wasn't as proven and they could have sign him in the middle of the year beofre he broke the rushing record. We drafted Perry just in case and because of his injury our backup plan blew up in their faces and now their stuck right where they are. Unfortunately the reason they are going to have to spend franchise dollars to keep him is completely the Bengals fault and if I was Rudi I would be looking for my payday too. Especially since they didn't give him one last year and drafted Perry.
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Perhaps -- but that doesn't warrant an assumption of failure.Now, now...I'm assuming nothing. Just patiently waiting on proof. BTW...if and when that proof does come, I'll be the 1st one here proclaiming it!
Kirkendall Posted February 23, 2005 Author Report Posted February 23, 2005 Perhaps -- but that doesn't warrant an assumption of failure.Now, now...I'm assuming nothing. Just patiently waiting on proof. Yeap Yeap Yeap Yeap Yeap. BTW Billy, did you just quote yourself?
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 BTW Billy, did you just quote yourself? Dang...I thought those words sounded familiar!
DontPushMe Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 You guys dont seem to understand the idea of the 'draft'. At least 20+ times per year, someone is drafted by a team, and plugged in as the starter immidiatly. At that point, he has had 0 total NFL production, and is being started ahead of someone who has produced. The coaches just know that the rookie can do better then the veteren. Production doesnt matter unless all things are equal.Also, for the 25th time.CHRIS PERRY'S ROOKIE SEASON > RUDI JOHNSON'S ROOKIE SEASONNow stop making fun of perry for gaining only 34 yards.
BengalszoneBilly Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Now stop making fun of perry for gaining only 34 yards. When did he get that extra yard?
bengalboomer7 Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 Considering about 260 players get drafted the fact that 20 might start is irrellevant cause that's one small ass percentage and I could spout off so many names of people that was drafted to start right away and never made it productively. Seriously, this is gotten out of control. If this is the best info you can come up with and you have no better argument(considering the fact that you have no facts) you might as well shut the hell up cause your starting to make it unbearable to conduct a conversation. You have the right to your own opinion but you don't have to try to shove it down everyone else's throats and make completely moronic comments. We all know you like Perry and not Rudi. You have made it abundantly clear. What you don't understand is you have nothing to back up ANY (not just this one) of your arguments and to prove it to you we'll have a little grade school reviewRUDI - 25 games started, 1454 in one year, and franchise running recordPerry - 34 career total yards (What, you mean he's not a candidate for the Hall of Fame yet)Players that have been drafted in the first round and nevr produced (These people got big money contratcs too, and I won't even inlcude injuries)Big Daddy Dan WIlkinsonTim CouchAkili SmithReinard WilsonCade McNownCurtis Enisand I could go on and on and on, that's mostly just recently and just off the top of my head real quickTHIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY PUT COMPUTERS IN GRADE SCHOOL CLASSES!!!!!!!!!!
Sox Posted February 23, 2005 Report Posted February 23, 2005 I'd be happy to link to a different forum from last year's draft if anyone wants to see DPM's expert analysis.It's great entertainment.Let me know.
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