Bobcat Bengal Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Nah, I'm sorry homie.I don't care WHAT happened before that last drive, we were in a position to win that game. You DON't throw INT's on 2 minute drills, man, wtf?Palmer DID lose that game for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Nah, I'm sorry homie.I don't care WHAT happened before that last drive, we were in a position to win that game. You DON't throw INT's on 2 minute drills, man, wtf?Palmer DID lose that game for us. NO, HE DIDN'T.With a 17-14 lead, you run the f**king ball, Terry. Rudi's number got called ONE DAMNED TIME during the 4th Qtr.That's pretty damned f**king stupid. Especially when Rudi had a 15 yard gain, then Drunkowski decides to go to the air 3 straight MF'ing times!!!!!That my friends is the most homosexual play-calling in the last 14 years of my life.I can't believe Drunkowski gets paid that much bling to be a total retard!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Nah, I'm sorry homie.I don't care WHAT happened before that last drive, we were in a position to win that game. You DON't throw INT's on 2 minute drills, man, wtf?Palmer DID lose that game for us.NO, HE DIDN'T.With a 17-14 lead, you run the f**king ball, Terry. Rudi's number got called ONE DAMNED TIME during the 4th Qtr.That's pretty damned f**king stupid. Especially when Rudi had a 15 yard gain, then Drunkowski decides to go to the air 3 straight MF'ing times!!!!!That my friends is the most homosexual play-calling in the last 14 years of my life.I can't believe Drunkowski gets paid that much bling to be a total retard!!!!! Alright, so he should have ran the ball, but they didn't.So now, since Brat dug us the hole, we're down 4 points. OK, cool.Touchback. 80 yds to go. In the huddle, "Okay, f**ked up playcalling, but you remember last year, this is nothing. Now Let's do this Carson.""Hold on guys, I owe my old roomate a little gift. I haven't seen him in so long, this is just something to let him know that he's on my mind."Barbarian, so what? They botched a series. Yeah, I'd run too, but I'm sorry, we're not in the Skybox though. Besides, Rudi fumbled previously.You can't keep reminiscing about what play you shoulda called in the 4th qtr.Suck it up and f**king win the game for us, march down the field, DO something, but DON'T THrow a INT maine! What the fuuuuck.....I'm sorry, you have valid points, but you're not gonna convince me otherwise. Shiiet, I wanted Chris Perry in there a few more times. IMO, he ripped s**t up in his brief time on the field. But I'm not in the Skybox though.....like they say ("and who the f**k is they?") one of the true test of a QB, and how he is measured is the 2-minute drill. So far, Palmer is 1 out of three. Two outta three ain't bad....For once, I'm agreeing with Bax"Case Closed." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
belmontbengal Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 For once, I'm agreeing with Bax"Case Closed." And the world ends... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 For once, I'm agreeing with Bax"Case Closed."And the world ends... I know right?You know how long it took me to actually type those words out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHO DEY AGAIN? Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Palmer played bad but he's not the one you should blame. The O play calling was a joke. Why in the hell was Rudi taken out on the 3rd and 4 on the play that Watson fumbled? He was running it down their throats on that drive. That's what lost the game. That and the amount of injuries that keep happening.Asking to bench Palmer is crazy. Kitna sure the hell couldn't do any better. Calling Palmer an Akili wannabe shows your true knowledge Bax. You have none. Sooo... how many cases of those orange cross hats did you buy??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Yawn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesbrooks21 Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 this is really getting old. the ones calling for kitna know nothing about football. we might as well go through the learning curve this year when our defense is not good enough to go deep into or even make the playoffs anyway. by replacing palmer with kitna it just sets us back another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 yea this talk boring after awhile it was a team loss not palmers loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 yea this talk boring after awhile it was a team loss not palmers loss cool. you all keep thinking that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B24 Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Are you guys not sick of this $hit yet? Interested in hearing about your opinions of Palmer NOW. 6 ints guys. 6.MAKE THE CHANGE NOW MARVINDefense again??????Here's some stats for a QB that there isn't very many teams right now wouldn't mind having on their team.Peyton Manning's stats through first 4 games in rookie season.Comp   Attempts   PCT   Yards   TDs   INTs   Rating71      146       48.6   992    3     11    46.4Palmer's stats through first 4 games.Comp   Attempts   PCT   Yards   TDs   INTs   Rating84      154      54.5    875    3     7     54.5I'm not saying Palmer is going to be as good as Manning, I'm saying you don't give up on a QB after 4 games. There are many factors why the Bengals are losing. Palmer is way down that list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Some of you fail to realize, it's the entire team. It's Carson, it's the o-line, it's Rudi (before today), it's the D line, it's the linebackers, it's the secondary, it's the punt coverage team, the punt return team, the kickoff team, the kickoff return team... it's everything. Palmer is struggling right now, o-line is in desperation of being healthy again, the d-line just plain sucks right now, the LB are hurt, the secondary is in the ER. It's everything and everyone.I'm glad the team is on bye-week because I think I need one myself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBax Posted October 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Everything sucks right now, everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Everything sucks right now, everything. It usually seems that way when your team has just fallen to 1-3. Think of how it seems for teams 0-4! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbarian Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Everything sucks right now, everything.It usually seems that way when your team has just fallen to 1-3. Think of how it seems for teams 0-4! I think the Miami Game shouldn't count. I doubt Miami wins a game all year with Pothead somewhere in the Carribean smoking ganja!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I am sooooo glad fans do not run the team. We make decisions based on emotion. Marvin Lewis knows what is best for this team. As far as the QB position, he knows it is Palmer.We are going through the same growing pains that:Broncos fans faced when they started a young John Elway49ers fans faced when they started a young Joe MontanaCowboys fans faced when they started a young Troy AikmanBengals fans faced when they started a young Boomer EsiasonColts fans faced when they started a young Payton Manningetc, etc,etcWe take the opening kickoff of the third quarter, drive down the field (caught a couple of huge breaks), and score a TD for the lead. The game breakers in my mind happened before the two fourth quarter INTs (one of them was not Palmer's fault)1. Kenny Watson's fumble right after we got the ball from Staley's second fumble. We were driving and could've gone up by 10 points, we had the momentum. Then it was taken back by the Steelers.2. The very questionable pass interference call in the endzone that directly led to a Steelers TD.I have to agree with others: Brat's play calling is a mystery to me. I saw a sideline shot where Rudi tossed his helmet in disgust. I think it was right after Watson's fumble. You know Rudi wanted the ball and why not? He was running great!Palmer's first pick was bad, a rookie mistake. He never looked off the safties and then threw it right were he had been staring. He'll learn from that.The second pick was all on Washington. Catch the damn ball! Palmer put it nice and low where only Washington could get it and he let it pop up to the Steeler.In my mind we need more time than a lot of fans are willing to give. Why? Because we've been losing for so long some folks actually want to say forget the future let's try and win now??? The Bengals are trying to win and we have been close, oh so close WITH A ROOKIE QB, A BANGED UP O-LINE, WARRICK OUT, AND INJURIES ON DEFENSE! Look what is going on down in Miami. A damn good defense and a QB shuffle. 0-4 and only marginally in any game. QB shuffles solve nothing! This isn't college or high school. This is the NFL.Marvin Lewis will build this team into a post season powerhouse. I have no doubt. I don't know how long it took him to build the Ravens defense, but they won the Super Bowl with Trent Dilfer at QB. Trent Dilfer! One more time in case that didn't sink in: They won the Super Bowl with TRENT DILFER at QB.We've got young inexperienced guys on defense. We are only going to get better. We are also faced with a lot of injuries. The Bengals were very competitive ON THE ROAD against the Steelers Sunday. And several things lost the game. And they were NOT all Palmer's fault. Yes, I know it was close at the end and his pick went back for the "finish us off" TD. Here's a thought, TACKLE THAT GUY! He looked like Barry Sanders making everyone miss.Sorry, no one will sway me from looking towards our immensly bright future. Palmer is the guy. And Coach Lewis knows that.How many people yelling for Kitna now were yelling for Palmer at this time last year? Be honest, not here, this discussion is old, very old. I mean with yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Another great post, Bob. Nice to see everyone hasn't lost their mind.Re your question about how long it took to build the Ravens D, the answer is, 5 years. Here's Hobson:Fans don’t want to hear about patience and time, and that’s why Lewis says little about it. But when he started help building the Ravens in 1996, they used the drafts of ’96-98 to build the playoff run of 1999. And they didn’t make it then at 8-8. They won the Super Bowl the next year, but from ’96-98 they went 16-31-1. Lewis’ defenses went from giving up an AFC-high 441 points in 1996 to 345 the next year to 335 to the second-best in the AFC at 277 in 1999. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybengalsfan Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I agree with you, BengalBob about the competitiveness on the road, but until we get our horrible defense to stop the run we will have one heck of a time beating anyone. The four on the line are not injured, all are experienced, and can't seem to make a play when they need one. If they would have stopped Staley on third and one, that would have been huge. Instead, he gets 12 yards. Yes, we need patience, but when I look at the rookie from the Steelers, he looked like an all pro compared to Palmer. Of course, there was hardly any pressure on him all day. He was very comfortable in the pocket, and it showed.If we lose to Cleveland in a few weeks, any hopes of winning the division, or a playoff wild card is out of the question. Then we will be going around and saying: "Wait til nex year." I am so sick and tired of hearing it!Finally, and I hate to say it, Palmer is throwing too many bad passes in the 4th quarter that have now cost us all three games we have lost. No, he is not the whole problem, but when you need it in the clutch, he has came thru only 25% of the time (Miami). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Yes, we need patience, but when I look at the rookie from the Steelers, he looked like an all pro compared to Palmer. Of course, there was hardly any pressure on him all day. He was very comfortable in the pocket, and it showed.This goes back to my point of our banged up O-line. Rosburger (I am not interested in spelling his name right) had all kinds of time all game long. Palmer did not enjoy the same protection. Not even close.Again we are building towards the future. That takes a few seasons. A lot more than 4 games into only Lewis' second season! If we cannot get pressure on the opposing QB or effectively stop the run we could have Boomer Esiason in his prime at QB and have a mediocre season AT BEST.Thanks JC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tampa Bengal Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 I don't think Palmer is the problem. Sure he has made a lot of mistakes but that should get worked out through out the year. The thing that really gets me is that they never improved the D line. They saw these same guys get gashed last year and the only new D lineman they brought in was Warren Sapp who was well past his prime and then didn't even get signed. I don't get it. They knew this line sucked yet they didn't address the issue at all and now they are suffering for it. At this point there isn't much they can do for improvement. It just sucks that this year could be ruined by a complete lack of planning and a poor attempt to bring in better players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 They saw these same guys get gashed last year and the only new D lineman they brought in was Warren Sapp who was well past his prime and then didn't even get signed. I don't get it.IMHO: Sapp never intended on signing with us or he would've asked if we would match or up the Raiders contract. He used us as a bargaining tool to get a better deal with the Raiders.I'm disappointed in the D-line too. Anyone wanna bet next years round one pick is a "can't miss" DL??? We all know everyone is a can't miss right? Right Big Daddy???Sometimes you think you've got the personel. Sometimes they don't get the job done. You regroup, hit the draft and Free Agency. Speaking of FA: Before Marvin Lewis, no one in their right mind even thought seriously about coming to us from 1991-2002. Give the man a chance, he has turned us around! We now expect to win and hate to lose instead of expect to lose! We are getting there!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Besides all the difficulties faced by the 2004 Bengals that the 2003 Bengals did not face (injuries to name one in case anyone has forgotten), how about this one:At the beginning of the 2003 season we had just come off a 2-14 season. A show of hands now, how many people think the majority of teams took us for granted, the same ol' Bungles, there's a W before the game is even played mentality. In 2002 the Saints you can bet got caught thinking "oh thank you for giving us the Bengals on our schedule just before we clinch a playoff spot! Oops!" We beat them for only our second, and last, win of the season.You can bet we surprised some people last year. No one takes time off and beats us now. They bring their, so called, A games when they play us now. So the 2004 Bengals have it a lot tougher than the 2003 Bengals regardless who is at QB.And with all the injuries, where we are not a complete with all starters playing team...we are still competitive.GIGANTIC difference between the Marvin Lewis led Bengals, and the 1991-2002 Bengals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TippCityRick Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Bax, the answer to your question is a resounding NO!!!Palmer will mature and become a more effective passer when the Oline protects him physically and Bratkowski protects him with a true commitment to the run. Rudi could have run for 150-175 yesterday had we continued our commitment to the run in the third quarter. We didn't, got a bit pass wacky, got a horrible officiating call (a game changer) and eventually lost. I had us at 8-8 this year and my brain is telling me to downgrade to possibly 6-10. But I still feel better about the future of this team now over it's future a year ago at this time. Here's why.SPEED. SPEED. SPEED.We are faster in the secondary and at linebacker. Our special teams are faster. When the game slows down for these guys then that speed will be beneficial. We need a couple of Dline players and have the cap room to add them in the off season. Our receiving crew is excellent if not a bit banged up. Once Palmer matures and sees the whole field then this area will become more effective. Rudi showed a lot of fire Sunday but he won't be with us next year (just guessin'). Perry will see more action as this year develops because of his SPEED. I'm guessin' we'll see him in Cleveland on the 17th in Watson's third down position. The Oline remains a question if only due to depth and the center position. Maybe we can spend a bit in FA on an established, albeit younger answer to snap the ball.The problems here are fixable. The team will be better in the second half but the schedule will be brutal. I'm gonna stay with em and root em on, but I'm not gonna dispare when the inevitable glitches occur. This team is learning but it has not learned yet. Have patience.(OK, I know you and a good number of other posters don't want to have patience, but I'm askin' you to anyway)(pretty please . . . . .) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Here is a thought...We get a couple of 3rd down stops late in the game...and Palmer does not even throw those INT's, he would not even be passing the ball.The bad D being played is the most direct contributor of those late game "FORCED" mistakes. We get the D to play effectively and then we won't need to go tossing it like a drunk Brat. We'll let Rudi run it.Our D is what is losing these games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bengalboy Posted October 4, 2004 Report Share Posted October 4, 2004 Does anyone know how to tackle?. The defense can't and when Palmer throws a pick the offense can't. At practice this week, Marvin should make everyone play kill the guy with the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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