shworge Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Marvin has more input on teh defense than you guys are giving him credit for right now... case closed??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schweinhart Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 A healthy Simmons solves much of the LB problem. Miller's just not strong enough vs. run. Landon was better but no where good enough.The only real fix to the DL is new players. But none came from the draft, free agency, or roster cuts so it don't look like any are coming now. Powell and Williams got blown off the ball so bad that it looked they were actually running backwards half the time. Clemons is sooooo slow it hurts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Gee, we looked like we were starting two rookies out there today! <chuckle> Uh-huh. And you can chalk one TD up directly to Madieu's inexperience. You just can't let a guy release clean and then chase him down the field without even looking back once at the QB or for the ball. Add in Rudi's fumble and that's 14 points that either weren't the D's fault or were the fault of a defensive rook making his first NFL start.News flash, fellas: It ain't Frazier & Lewis' fault. If Vince Lombardi is coach, Williams still gets burnt & Rudi still fumbles the ball & we still lose the game.Simmons and O'Neal will be back next week. Williams and Miller will learn. The D will get better. Chill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 yes agree i was at the game and m. williams did not bump the receiver at all he just let him get by,and on other plays he was confused when the receivers cut one way he would cut the other and leave them wide open. but i really did not see any blitzes at all just one that worked when beckett blitzed and got to pennington when he threw we need to play a more aggrasive defense and i hope we can when o'neil comes back. we just need pressure on the qb to force mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kybengalsfan Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 We have been talking about Frazier's role in this lousy defense. While he may know the x's and o's well, I have doubts about his ability to communicate well and also his ability to motivate. Our defensive line looked like they were downhill, waiting to be blocked. Absolutely no fire from them at all. They look hesitant, confused and very unconfident. Someone needs to light a fire under their rear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 I have doubts about his ability to communicate well and also his ability to motivate. I think Kentucky has hit the nail on the head! There is something definitely lacking in the Bengals defensive unit when it comes to motivated and inspired play, especially on the road! At PBS it doesn't seem to be as big an issue due to the crowd whipping up a frenzy! :player: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 We have been talking about Frazier's role in this lousy defense. While he may know the x's and o's well, I have doubts about his ability to communicate well and also his ability to motivate. Our defensive line looked like they were downhill, waiting to be blocked. Absolutely no fire from them at all. They look hesitant, confused and very unconfident. Someone needs to light a fire under their rear. I thought the line looked pretty much the same as it had all preseason, namely a front four keyed on stopping the run vs. rushing the QB. I think you're right that they were hesitant, but I don't think that had anything to do with a lack of confidence or nonmotivational coaching. I think it has to do with the fact they knew they were facing, first, one of the best backs in the game, and second, a QB with arguably the best play-action move in football today. You have to respect that and it freezes defenses; that's why they always seemed half a step behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 You can't win 'em all.But if we continue like Sunday, we sure can lose them all. The defense lost this. If you want to tag it on coaching, lack of prepardness, or whatever... they looked sad as a team with all 11 and coaching staff to blame. There's no excuse... if we play like this defensively all-season, then I have to question Marvin's off-season plan to upgrade the defense. We can question Marvin now, right? It's not taboo anymore, right? We surely can question a first round draft pick at RB, that listed as inactive, when clearly everyone thought the DL needed the most help -- which was evident Sunday.. but that's neither here nor there....and why is no one talking about Webster? His head down run towards a bunch of blockers, diving at ball carriers and missing tackles approach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 We can question Marvin now, right? It's not taboo anymore, right?Um....no! You want to question the man who took a 2-14 team, turned them into a playoff hunting 8-8 team after a 1-4 start, who restored hope into the souls of Bengal fans everywhere? You want to question THE man???Sure, do what you want. That's what makes us armchair/Monday Morning QBs, Head Coaches, and GMs!! I was also shocked when they picked Chris Perry in the first round. However, there were how many defensive picks? 7 or 8? We have historically done extremely well in the second and third rounds. I'd like to see a little more of Kenny Watson #33. His one run of 25 yds was sweet. I'd like to see what else he can do with Rudi.I think Coach Lewis thought they could get one or two FAs in after the draft but it didn't work out. I could question Coach Lewis all I want. But do I want to take a chance of questioning someone who will be taking us back to the Super Bowl? And looking like a complete fool in the process? As soon as I do I know I will be proven wrong so I'm not going to do it! BengalBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 The defense lost this. The D was horrible but I pin this loss on Rudi's fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 The D was horrible but I pin this loss on Rudi's fumble.I have to disagree with that one. The fumble was bad and unlike Rudi, but there was a lot of football to be played. If that play broke our back then yes, but we came right back.I say this loss lays right in the defense's lap or on the shoulders of Curtis Martin and the jets O-line.BengalBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 The D was horrible but I pin this loss on Rudi's fumble.I have to disagree with that one. The fumble was bad and unlike Rudi, but there was a lot of football to be played. If that play broke our back then yes, but we came right back. It was a very encouraging sign that they kept fighting; the old Bengals would have folded their tents at that point and the final score would have been something like 38-10 Jets. But remember where we were when the fumble happened: first drive of Q3. The Bengals had finished Q2 by kicking a FG, then forcing the Jets to punt to end the half. They go into halftime down 14-10 in NY, come out, get the ball, and are driving down the field, picking up first downs and *bang* it's suddenly 21-10. All the momentum you've built up goes poof, the crowd gets back into the game, and now you're down two scores in an away game. And the Jets are in a perfect position to play their kind of game: handoffs to Martin and quick passes from Pennington, the West Coast, ball-control, run-out-the-clock bit. We need TDs; with an 11-point lead they can make do with FGs. Unless we got a big turnover, which we didn't, it was all pretty much over when Cowart popped the rock out of Rudi's hands, IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBobNC Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 Good points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcat Bengal Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 The defense lost this. If you want to tag it on coaching, lack of prepardness, or whatever... they looked sad as a team with all 11 and coaching staff to blame. There's no excuse... if we play like this defensively all-season, then I have to question Marvin's off-season plan to upgrade the defense. We can question Marvin now, right? It's not taboo anymore, right? I admit our D was like sieve, but you're going to question Coach Lewis after one game? Hmm....aight....be my guest...but you said it yourself, you have to question ALL 11 players as well, so don't go looking for one individual scapegoat to pin this one on, because you won't find it....Its like they say, the coaches aren't out on the field.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirkendall Posted September 13, 2004 Report Share Posted September 13, 2004 I admit our D was like sieve, but you're going to question Coach Lewis after one game? Kind of. I question Lewis' upgraded defense even though it was an obvious major concern which, doesn't look positive... I question the first round pick... I've questioned these things all off-season as many here have as well. So no, it's not after one game. This was kind of an important game because if the Bengals come into tie-breaking scenarios, because Balt, Pitt, and Cleve, still play the Jets. Plus, you have to wonder, we had an entire off-season for this game, why didn't the defense anticipate either Martin or Pennington? Why couldn't there have been a strategy for just stopping the run and just having Pennington beat us or vice versa; not both the running and passing games. Just something to munch on I guess..I really hope no one believes I'm "blaming Lewis" for the loss, that's asinine and stupid. But if everyone wants me to, I'll relax and play the, just wait game. We've been doing for 13 years... hell, what's another week, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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