Peter King Has Us Going 6-10

[walzav29]

Did Mike Brown spit on this guy or something? I have not heard him say 1 positive thing about our boys, and I heard on the NFL network this morning that scouts around the league feel Leftwich is the best young quarterback in the league. What the hell is that? I guess we'll see this weekend, but Palmer doesn't look horrible to me.

[skyline]

Didn't he say that Rudi is going to be a top back this year?

[walzav29]

He did say that, but nothing good about the team as a whole, but I guess that will help the Bengals be the "sleeper" team of the year. This 1st game is going to be tough. I figure Rudi will get about 35-40 carries.

[HoosierCat]

If Rudi gets the 1,400 yards King predicts, no way we win just 6. And fat boy also has the Browns going 9-7! :lol:

[walzav29]

That's why I think he has something against them. How can you have a RB going for 1400 and only 6 wins? I guess it's nothing to get worked up about. I just want to hear people be optimistic, but it will make it sweeter.

[Piper]

This probably good news for you Cats fans. Because King couldn't find his butt with two hands and a funnel when it comes to football. He's generally a front runner who doesn't know enough about any individual team to make his own analysis so he usually just edits other people's stuff and mails in a conclusion.

[BengalszoneBilly]

The Penis King said what?

[cactusruss]

Why does everyone think a 6-10 record is way off base? These are the Bengals we're talking about, and we are starting our 7th different opening day QB in 7 years. And there were pleanty of years that we won much less than 6 games with a great RB running for 1200-1400 yards.

Don't get me wrong, I hope we win all our games, and believe we can win as many as 11 or 12... I'm just wondering why after 13 years (or however long it's been, I stopped counting) of losing seasons, everyone seems shocked that we're only predicted to win 6 games.

[HoosierCat]

Actually, Dillon only got over 1,400 yards once (2000) and even tho he ran a lot he couldn't get in the end zone (7 TDs). Familiar, eh? But King predicted Rudi would run for 1,400 yards and 13 TDs minimum. Hard to square that with a 6-10 record, which is why that prediction doesn't make sense.

[membengal]

1. He does hate the Bengals, and particularly Mike Brown. No objectivity at all, it can be traced back to his time covering the team in 1984.

2. He falls in love with the teams he sees during his training camp tour, and he saw the Browns this year and decided they were awesome. Don Banks from si.com saw the Bengals, so King has not even bothered to really consider them.

3. No way can he square his Rudi statement with a 6-10 record. Johnson scores 13+ times of this team, they will be extremely successful.

4. He is probably particularly incensed at Cincy since they s**t on his column stroking Bill Belichick by waxing NE 31-3 two days before his Belichick column ran.

5. 6-10 is not so unrealistic, of course, but coming from King, I take it with a grain of salt. 8-8 seems far more likely to me, but with a few bad breaks, could be 6-10, with a few good breaks, could be 10-6.

6. Every time I worry, I read how ML handles the team and I relax. I love that he kicked off the prep for the first week of the season by reminding the team they are only 10-10 in their last 20 games. Should not be any big heads around there.

7. One more example of King's petulance, he listed his top 30 quarterbacks in the NFL a few weeks ago, and stuck Kitna in at 20 and left Palmer off the list. That's just petty, since Palmer is the starting QB, he is at least in the top 30, but that is King's way of saying he thinks Palmer should still be sitting.

[85inthehall]

it's hard to rank palmer as a top 30 QB when he has never thrown a pass in the NFL -- Kitna had a decent year last year and should be ranked ahead of Palmer -so should Quincy Carter - got his team to the playoffs.

As for the 6-10 record and Johson going for 13TDs -- he might be saying you will run well but you won't pass for many TDs and with Palmer lookfor Turnovers to take you out of some games.

So if Johnson goes for 1400 and 13, but Palmer goes 50% comp rate, 16 TD and 24 INT -- look for a 6-10 season.

[HoosierCat]

Actually, what King is doing is "hedging his bets." In that Belichick BJ that membengal mentioned, King accidentally let the truth slip out. Down near the end he makes brief reference to the Cincy shellacking, and refers to the Bengals in an aside as (IIRC) "a team that no one is really sure about."

Translation: Football's TH (Talking Head) corps doesn't have any more of a clue than you or I how this squad is going to pan out. There are too many variables, so King plays it safe and predicts "same ol' Bungles." Others do the equivalent of shrugging their shoulders. Dan Pompei at TSN? Predicts 8-8. Power rankings? Fox and CBS both put us right in the middle of the pack.

We shall see.

[membengal]

it's hard to rank palmer as a top 30 QB when he has never thrown a pass in the NFL -- Kitna had a decent year last year and should be ranked ahead of Palmer -so should Quincy Carter - got his team to the playoffs.

As for the 6-10 record and Johson going for 13TDs -- he might be saying you will run well but you won't pass for many TDs and with Palmer lookfor Turnovers to take you out of some games.

So if Johnson goes for 1400 and 13, but Palmer goes 50% comp rate, 16 TD and 24 INT -- look for a 6-10 season.

He is top 30 simply because he is a starting QB in the NFL. He is ahead of Kitna because he starts ahead of Kitna. Period. If something changes in four weeks and he isn't starting, fine, but for now, King would have to put him at least 30th.

[85inthehall]

Ifking was rating Starting QBs I would agree that you have to put Palmer on the list because he is starting, but he rated NFL QBs

[FonzieDog]

Take Peter King's opinions with a huge grain of salt. He actually did pretty well with last years predictions. However, there is no exact science when it comes to prognosticating football games. There are several misjudgements.

Peter King 2003 Prediction (actual)

Buffalo 10-6 (6-10) *King predicted Buffalo to go to the Super Bowl.

New England 9-7 (14-2)

Pittsburgh 11-5 (6-10)

Cincinnati 5-11 (8-8)

Oakland 9-7 (4-12)

N.Y.G. 9-7 (4-12)

T.B. 10-6 (7-9)

Dallas 5-11 (10-6)

K.C. 7-9 (13-3)

Jacksonville 8-8 (5-11)

[membengal]

Take Peter King's opinions with a huge grain of salt.  He actually did pretty well with last years predictions.  However, there is no exact science when it comes to prognosticating football games.  There are several misjudgements.

Peter King 2003 Prediction (actual)

Buffalo 10-6 (6-10) *King predicted Buffalo to go to the Super Bowl.

New England 9-7 (14-2)

Pittsburgh 11-5 (6-10)

Cincinnati 5-11 (8-8)

Oakland 9-7 (4-12)

N.Y.G. 9-7 (4-12)

T.B. 10-6 (7-9)

Dallas 5-11 (10-6)

K.C. 7-9 (13-3)

Jacksonville 8-8 (5-11)

You beat me to it. Here is the link to King's work from last season:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/writ...mmqb/index.html

And here is what he wrote about Cincy in saying they would go 5-11..."Cincinnati, 5-11: The problem is, Marvin Lewis doesn't actually suit up."

[ShulaSteakhouse]

I think the Bengals have serious problems to be concerned about and won't be as good as many fans want to think they'll be.

Sure they have the ability to control the ball on offense and score a lot of points, but you're not going to win games with a defense this bad who can't get off the field on 3rd down, stop the run or the pass, and is reliant on below average talent.

I still think the 0-line is hugely overrated here and Paul Alexander has no clue how to develop projects or mid-round prospects (hasn't turned a single one of them into a solid starter - even Goff is gone and was never any good nor came near his potential here).

The best case scenario I can think of is doing what they did in the NE preseason game - come out and let Palmer air it out down the field and try to shell shock the other team into submission, control the clock with Rudi thereafter and try and keep your defense rested and off the field. When this defense is out on the field too often it gets exposed, and Qb's are gonna pick on, once again, the atrocious excuse for DB's we still have here.

As mentioned above, if Palmer doesn't get time to throw, they will lose...the Bengals are going to need to be able to put points up in bunches and do it fairly quickly at times when they get behind - as they most assuredly will.

[HoosierCat]

11 men on the field...and they're all TH's

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/preview04/ne...tory?id=1873239

espn's usual gang of idiots calls the season. Theismann & Jackson have us as a wild card, everybody has the Ravens winning the division. Merril Hoge things Baltimore will win the Super Bowl. Clearly he was drinking pretty heavily over the holiday weekend.

[CTBengalsFan]

I think the Bengals have serious problems to be concerned about and won't be as good as many fans want to think they'll be.

Sure they have the ability to control the ball on offense and score a lot of points, but you're not going to win games with a defense this bad who can't get off the field on 3rd down, stop the run or the pass, and is reliant on below average talent.

I still think the 0-line is hugely overrated here and Paul Alexander has no clue how to develop projects or mid-round prospects (hasn't turned a single one of them into a solid starter - even Goff is gone and was never any good nor came near his potential here).

The best case scenario I can think of is doing what they did in the NE preseason game - come out and let Palmer air it out down the field and try to shell shock the other team into submission, control the clock with Rudi thereafter and try and keep your defense rested and off the field. When this defense is out on the field too often it gets exposed, and Qb's are gonna pick on, once again, the atrocious excuse for DB's we still have here.

As mentioned above, if Palmer doesn't get time to throw, they will lose...the Bengals are going to need to be able to put points up in bunches and do it fairly quickly at times when they get behind - as they most assuredly will.

how did the chiefs get to 13-3 last season???

hint: it wasn't their defense

[Tiger Stripes]

6-10??? yea i can agree with that. the defense just scares the crap outta me.

[ShulaSteakhouse]

how did the chiefs get to 13-3 last season???

hint: it wasn't their defense

And no one remembers them now, after they went downhill after the Bengals game and flamed out in their first game of the playoffs.

Granted just going to the playoffs around here is something to behold but KC's defense was better than Cincy's last year and will probably be better than the Bengals' this year as well.

The Bengals are still Jekyl and Hyde on the road vs. home games and until they figure out how to actually play a road game without making tons of mistakes and not showing up then they'll be the 6-10, 8-8 type of team most people expect them to be.

My point is, don't get upset over 6-10 preseason predictions and don't expect much out of this team as they're just not that good...capable of beating anyone, yes, and suprising some people, yes, but a winning record with this schedule and the inexperience and lack of playmakers on the roster don't bode well for a playoff spot as it stands.

I hope that changes certainly...

[JPW]

10-6 and

Play-Offs in 04........

[Jam31]

I think the Bengals have serious problems to be concerned about and won't be as good as many fans want to think they'll be.

Sure they have the ability to control the ball on offense and score a lot of points, but you're not going to win games with a defense this bad who can't get off the field on 3rd down, stop the run or the pass, and is reliant on below average talent.

I still think the 0-line is hugely overrated here and Paul Alexander has no clue how to develop projects or mid-round prospects (hasn't turned a single one of them into a solid starter - even Goff is gone and was never any good nor came near his potential here).

The best case scenario I can think of is doing what they did in the NE preseason game - come out and let Palmer air it out down the field and try to shell shock the other team into submission, control the clock with Rudi thereafter and try and keep your defense rested and off the field.  When this defense is out on the field too often it gets exposed, and Qb's are gonna pick on, once again, the atrocious excuse for DB's we still have here.

As mentioned above, if Palmer doesn't get time to throw, they will lose...the Bengals are going to need to be able to put points up in bunches and do it fairly quickly at times when they get behind - as they most assuredly will.

how did the chiefs get to 13-3 last season???

hint: it wasn't their defense

How did KC blow their home field advantage?

[schweinhart]

How did KC blow their home field advantage?

I'd say P-Dub stuck a big fork in that business

[BengalBax]

I hope to God this thread is still here come January. 6-10 is a DEFINITE possibility....