HoosierCat Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 The new kid on the espn block, Coley Harvey, drops this little HK tidbit for those of you wondering if the most recent big news would make the cut:Finally, HBO's "Hard Knocks" cameras got really good access. Like many of you, I spent the last four weeks watching the Bengals on the television show. It was actually a great cheat sheet for me, as I got familiar with faces and personalities. While at practice, I saw how close the cameras got on their last day of shooting. For instance, they got right in an impromptu huddle around Atkins as his teammates congratulated him on his new deal. The last episode airs at 9 tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 3, 2013 Report Share Posted September 3, 2013 these bozos claim they will have a stream.../>http://www.vipboxonline.eu/sports/american-football.htmlusual warning, click at your own risk, probably full of crapware and will give your dog fleas too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 these bozos claim they will have a stream.../>http://www.vipboxonline.eu/sports/american-football.htmlusual warning, click at your own risk, probably full of crapware and will give your dog fleas too.Looks alot like firstrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Thats why Mikey was able afford Geno He recycles the jerseys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kazkal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 This is why wish 53 was active gameday and 63 was total roster >.< loss alot good players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 HULK WANT SEASON TO START NOW!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I still wish Conner would have made it with Charles. Love how Marvin Charles to watch Johns tape, then cut him, how crappy is that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Charles was the second-best guy in a two-man competition and got the job because Hue. But we knew this already. Tough break for Connor, he was right, he didn't get a fair shot. But life is like that. All I know is Orson better produce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Yeah, how do you go from the 2nd episode where Charles isn't cutting it, to being handed the job ??I like Charles, but I don't like how things worked out in this regard.They must be planning on running a ton of 2 TE sets and need the depth.That being said, I think they got too cute with this decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 The only thing I see is, FB was not going to get many snaps anyway. This way we have a solid backup pass-catching TE that can block as a TE or FB. He wasnt as good as Conner at FB, but he blows him away at TE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Connor wasn't competing as a TE, so it doesn't matter in that regard.The way I saw it was Charles should have been competing with Alex Smith for the 3rd TE spot, not to be the H-back / 4th TE.I think the choice should have been between those two with Connor sticking at FB.They could still run plays with Charles as the H-back and had that devastating blocker up front with Connor.Does anyone really think that much of Alex Smith ??I'm not all crying in my Wheaties over it. I simply think it was the wrong decision.Then again, i'm not the coach, so who cares what I think ??I hope Charles has a pro-bowl season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 It sucks for Connor, but it's just how the league is evolving, especially in the west coast offense.This is an old article, but still just as relevant now...http://bleacherreport.com/articles/337510-what-has-happened-to-the-nfl-fullback Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
princeton Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 I didn't see the episode, but from the writeup by Hobson, it sounds like Gruden preferred Connor. So it's not a case of Charles suiting the offensive plans better... who knows better than Gruden the offense that we'll be running? I also think that you ALWAYS keep a free agent that far outplays a draft pick. It raises the level of training camp competition and allows you to attract the top free agents (eg Dimanche) every springSo... it was dumb to cut Connor. I'm hoping that they'll drop Charles or Smith in week 2, and add the Terminator. the dynamic between Hue Jackson and Gruden will be interesting to watch... I now expect Hue to be OC next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 The whole thing about making the player you kept, watch tape of the guy you cut to show him what they want just screams stupid.I get Charles being a better pass catcher and understand what they are wanting to do with the 2 TE sets, but that just stinks.Just goes to show the business side of things as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Gruden didn't care about which player stayed, he stated both would work. It came down to playing time, and special teams. I hate this move as well, I said before I wish Conner and Charles would have stayed, with Alex Smith cut. I'm not even sure Alex Smith caught a pass, he was hurt for a good part of camp. It just came down to snaps though, and Charles would be getting more. I see a ton of 3 TE sets this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 the dynamic between Hue Jackson and Gruden will be interesting to watch... I now expect Hue to be OC next season.I dunno about Hue moving to OC but I agree, there is definitely some tension there. Like you say it will be interesting to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Gruden conceded that he could live with either one.And yes...we'll be seeing 3 TE sets out the wazoo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsbengalsbucks Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Has amyone picked up Conner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Not that I am aware of... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cHaD711Johnson Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 We don't use the FB that much and Charles offers versatility catching out of that H-Back role, and he would've definitely got claimed by someone. Pretty simple business IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 We don't use the FB that much and Charles offers versatility catching out of that H-Back role, and he would've definitely got claimed by someone. Pretty simple business IMO.Not so much with Alex Smith though. If he was claimed, would anyone care ??I have yet to hear anyone really sing his praises outside of being a "good vet presence". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted September 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 We don't use the FB that much and Charles offers versatility catching out of that H-Back role, and he would've definitely got claimed by someone. Pretty simple business IMO.Not so much with Alex Smith though. If he was claimed, would anyone care ??I have yet to hear anyone really sing his praises outside of being a "good vet presence".If there was no talk about cutting him, then that alone speaks pretty highly of the coaches opinion of the guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 We don't use the FB that much and Charles offers versatility catching out of that H-Back role, and he would've definitely got claimed by someone. Pretty simple business IMO.Not so much with Alex Smith though. If he was claimed, would anyone care ??I have yet to hear anyone really sing his praises outside of being a "good vet presence".If there was no talk about cutting him, then that alone speaks pretty highly of the coaches opinion of the guy.The coaches were the ones stating they liked his "Reggie Kelley" presence he brings, I get that. I just can't say as i've heard anything from the fan standpoint about the guy.I'm not trying to argue at all and certainly not about whether Charles or Connor should have been the decision.My contention is that the choice should have been between Connor and Smith, with Smith losing out.I've heard the arguements about it being a passing league and the FB being phased out and i'm good with it.I just don't personally feel it was the right way to go.And again, I could be wrong. Maybe they convert a high percentage of 3rd or 4th and short.Maybe they get those goal line rushing TD's. Maybe we end up with 4 stellar TE's and they dominate.Maybe not.I just like what Connor brought to the running game more than what Alex Smith brings with his "presence". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COB Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 Seeking link, episode 5. Help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjakq27 Posted September 4, 2013 Report Share Posted September 4, 2013 If this was a fore gone conclusion, then they should have let Connor go sooner. As I stated earlier, I just hope we aren't lamenting our ability to salt a game away in the fourth quarter because we can't make a third-and-one with our H-back/full back guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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