Marvin Lewis and team show no urgency

[Stripes]

I think it's entirely silly to criticize Marvin as a motivator. I think that's his absolute best characteristic. He does okay or worse essentially everywhere else, but his motivational skills are exactly what has brought this franchise back from the dead three times. That's his function as a coach. His methods and skills don't seem to maintain their productivity into the playoffs, but that's not especially surprising. He doesn't manage games well at all and his coordinators routinely seem outgunned.

[Spor_tees]

I think it's entirely silly to criticize Marvin as a motivator. I think that's his absolute best characteristic. He does okay or worse essentially everywhere else, but his motivational skills are exactly what has brought this franchise back from the dead three times. That's his function as a coach. His methods and skills don't seem to maintain their productivity into the playoffs, but that's not especially surprising. He doesn't manage games well at all and his coordinators routinely seem outgunned.

Ok as fans do we agree that Marvin treats us like idiots? His press conferences and news releases aren't worth wiping my ass with. Do you really think a guy that can't say anything better than, "We need to play better," is going to be any more eloquent with his team. I wouldn't be surprised if players don't have a game day pool on how many cliches Marvin uses in his pre-game speechs.

[ArmyBengal]

I think it's entirely silly to criticize Marvin as a motivator. I think that's his absolute best characteristic. He does okay or worse essentially everywhere else, but his motivational skills are exactly what has brought this franchise back from the dead three times. That's his function as a coach. His methods and skills don't seem to maintain their productivity into the playoffs, but that's not especially surprising. He doesn't manage games well at all and his coordinators routinely seem outgunned.

Ok as fans do we agree that Marvin treats us like idiots? His press conferences and news releases aren't worth wiping my ass with. Do you really think a guy that can't say anything better than, "We need to play better," is going to be any more eloquent with his team. I wouldn't be surprised if players don't have a game day pool on how many cliches Marvin uses in his pre-game speechs.

;)/>

Sorry but you are really pulling things out of your backside at this point.

There is no connection in what you are trying to argue and you have no idea what really happens.

You are guessing.

[TJJackson]

Let's just say I know more than you think I know and leave it at that

Let's just say you appear to know less every time I read one of your posts.

But I won't leave it at that

You might try telling us how you sleep with girls who current Bengals have recently discarded - that went well for the credibility of another poster here with an intellect remarkably similar to your own.

[Spor_tees]

Let's just say I know more than you think I know and leave it at that

Let's just say you appear to know less every time I read one of your posts.

But I won't leave it at that

You might try telling us how you sleep with girls who current Bengals have recently discarded - that went well for the credibility of another poster here with an intellect remarkably similar to your own.

Nope, I'm not that guy either. I gave three or four behind the scenes tid bits before for others that came through, one that didn't because some on foreseen things happen. That's not unusual because in the business of football you can't plan for everything. There were too many people like you so I quit telling stuff. I'm not going to waste my time telling stuff just to deal with a-holes who are going to give me a hard time for doing them a favor. It's not worth it.

[Spor_tees]

I think it's entirely silly to criticize Marvin as a motivator. I think that's his absolute best characteristic. He does okay or worse essentially everywhere else, but his motivational skills are exactly what has brought this franchise back from the dead three times. That's his function as a coach. His methods and skills don't seem to maintain their productivity into the playoffs, but that's not especially surprising. He doesn't manage games well at all and his coordinators routinely seem outgunned.

Ok as fans do we agree that Marvin treats us like idiots? His press conferences and news releases aren't worth wiping my ass with. Do you really think a guy that can't say anything better than, "We need to play better," is going to be any more eloquent with his team. I wouldn't be surprised if players don't have a game day pool on how many cliches Marvin uses in his pre-game speechs.

;)/>/>/>/>/>

Sorry but you are really pulling things out of your backside at this point.

There is no connection in what you are trying to argue and you have no idea what really happens.

You are guessing.

Nope.

Marvin's locker room speeches have become a joke. By the time Marvin is done, players feel like they just spent three hours in a seminar about how to watch paint dry.

[ArmyBengal]

I think it's entirely silly to criticize Marvin as a motivator. I think that's his absolute best characteristic. He does okay or worse essentially everywhere else, but his motivational skills are exactly what has brought this franchise back from the dead three times. That's his function as a coach. His methods and skills don't seem to maintain their productivity into the playoffs, but that's not especially surprising. He doesn't manage games well at all and his coordinators routinely seem outgunned.

Ok as fans do we agree that Marvin treats us like idiots? His press conferences and news releases aren't worth wiping my ass with. Do you really think a guy that can't say anything better than, "We need to play better," is going to be any more eloquent with his team. I wouldn't be surprised if players don't have a game day pool on how many cliches Marvin uses in his pre-game speechs.

;)/>/>/>/>/>/>

Sorry but you are really pulling things out of your backside at this point.

There is no connection in what you are trying to argue and you have no idea what really happens.

You are guessing.

Nope. :cheers:/>

Marvin's locker room speeches have become a joke. By the time Marvin is done, players feel like they just spent three hours in a seminar about how to watch paint dry.

So you've either been in the locker room to hear the speaches and seen players totally ignore him or you are guessing.

Since you have been back here, you've done nothing but provoke arguments as opposed to having discussions.

You claim to know more than everyone else, but give nothing to back up even a single claim or thought.

I'm just trying to understand how exactly that works for you?

Seriously. Please share or just stop.

[Spor_tees]

I think it's entirely silly to criticize Marvin as a motivator. I think that's his absolute best characteristic. He does okay or worse essentially everywhere else, but his motivational skills are exactly what has brought this franchise back from the dead three times. That's his function as a coach. His methods and skills don't seem to maintain their productivity into the playoffs, but that's not especially surprising. He doesn't manage games well at all and his coordinators routinely seem outgunned.

Ok as fans do we agree that Marvin treats us like idiots? His press conferences and news releases aren't worth wiping my ass with. Do you really think a guy that can't say anything better than, "We need to play better," is going to be any more eloquent with his team. I wouldn't be surprised if players don't have a game day pool on how many cliches Marvin uses in his pre-game speechs.

;)/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>/>

Sorry but you are really pulling things out of your backside at this point.

There is no connection in what you are trying to argue and you have no idea what really happens.

You are guessing.

Nope. :cheers:/>/>/>/>

Marvin's locker room speeches have become a joke. By the time Marvin is done, players feel like they just spent three hours in a seminar about how to watch paint dry.

So you've either been in the locker room to hear the speaches and seen players totally ignore him or you are guessing.

Since you have been back here, you've done nothing but provoke arguments as opposed to having discussions.

You claim to know more than everyone else, but give nothing to back up even a single claim or thought.

I'm just trying to understand how exactly that works for you?

Seriously. Please share or just stop.

It's not arguing with people just because people don't agree with things I say. There are actually people on here that have admitted they agree with me but not for all the same reasons. Hoosier is one of them. There are several people in fact that agree Marvin needs to go. I just happen to know more reasons than some. What's so bad about that? Why can't we just agree, celebrate and have a beer? Most of us agree that the Bengals need to draft a RB and LB in the first three picks in the draft. I say they need to get a RT as well. Most people disagree and want Andre Smith back instead. Well 2 out of 3 isn't bad is it?

There are only two people that really disagree with things I say, The Critic and TJ. That doesn't surprise me because they have both disagreed with everything I have said since post #1 however many years ago I joined this thread. It's no big deal, not everyone in society gets along. It's water off my back. The only thing that seems to be a total disagreement is Andre Smith. I didn't want the Bengals to draft him in the first place. I don't know if you can pull up the draft thred for him years ago, but I was devastated that the Bengals took him in the first place, and he has done nothing but live down to my expectations. He needs to go in my opinion, but others want to over pay him to come back and take the risk of getting year #2 Smith instead of year #4 Smith.

So Army what's your point? I haven't really called anyone names. I do know some inside info so when someone says something that is totally wrong, and I know it, what should I say? Ignore it? or try to inform them? I really didn't want to share I had inside info but it got to the point I had to because everyone is giving me so much s**t. Do you want me to leave again? That's fine there are other Bengals boards on the net, hell I had people on the other board asking me to come to those other boards because of the stuff I know. You can either appreciate it or ignore it. Either way I don't care. So it's up to you guys, you want to have me post, ignore what I have to say, or ask me to leave. So whatever it is, let me know. I'll be glad abide by whatever you say. :)/>/>

[Passepartout]

Hopefully that they will win out their games in order to either get a wild card or win their division now that Big Ben may be on the sidelines for awhile.

[Spor_tees]

Hopefully that they will win out their games in order to either get a wild card or win their division now that Big Ben may be on the sidelines for awhile.

Pittsburgh has been playing coy about Roethlisberger. One minute they say he could miss a month or more, then the next they say he is week to week. It's so stupid. The NFL has rules against misinterpreting injuries and telling teams they must list all injuries and not lie about them. In this situation Pittsburgh is making it hard for opponents to properly game plan against them, I understand some injuries are hard top diagnose, but this silly. At least they list him as out for this week.

I'm wondering if anyone will catch the easter egg in my post.

[HoosierCat]

So Army what's your point?

His point is that long experience has taught us that people who make loud and repeated claims of insider knowledge based on sources they won't reveal in order to "win" arguments on internet forums are bogus. So don't expect arguments that boil down to "I'm right because secret sauce" to carry much weight.

[Spor_tees]

So Army what's your point?

His point is that long experience has taught us that people who make loud and repeated claims of insider knowledge based on sources they won't reveal in order to "win" arguments on internet forums are bogus. So don't expect arguments that boil down to "I'm right because secret sauce" to carry much weight.

That's the point. How long have I posted on this board and other boards? Then just now I finally said something? What should I say? You guys give me crap about everything I say that you don't agree with, then when I'm right you don't acknowledge it. It's kind of silly. I don't know if it's pride or what. Like I said, do you want me to continue to post here or do you want me to go somewhere else? It's not going to be the end of the world. I've got back into playing World of Warcraft again after being off for over a month, heck I'm tabbed out of it right now to post. Like I said in my original post to Army, he claims I am arguing with everyone when in fact out of all the threads, Andre Smith is the only thing people to agree with me on! You agree about drafting a RB and LB in the first 3 picks, just not the RT. Most of us agree Marvin has become stale and looks disinterested and needs to go. So I really don't see what's going on. As far as Andre Smith is concerned I list several long posts showing numbers and facts about the man that make me shy away from bringing him back. That's just how I see it, and there are certain personality traits in people that just never change. I've yet to ever find a lazy person that has all of a sudden turned into a play to the whistle every play guy. That's just my view from past experience of watching sports. Look at former UC Bearcat Dontonio Wingfield, he had a ton of talent. He was 6'8", he could drain the three or make a move in the post for a dunk, yet when he got to the NBA,his lack of discipline and being lazy caused him to lose his spot in the pros. Something else that shows his lack of discipline was the fact he had like ten kids he was paying child support on. Some things never change.

So just let me know, should I stay or should I go?

[skyline]

So Army what's your point?

His point is that long experience has taught us that people who make loud and repeated claims of insider knowledge based on sources they won't reveal in order to "win" arguments on internet forums are bogus. So don't expect arguments that boil down to "I'm right because secret sauce" to carry much weight.

That's the point. How long have I posted on this board and other boards? Then just now I finally said something? What should I say? You guys give me crap about everything I say that you don't agree with, then when I'm right you don't acknowledge it. It's kind of silly. I don't know if it's pride or what. Like I said, do you want me to continue to post here or do you want me to go somewhere else? It's not going to be the end of the world. I've got back into playing World of Warcraft again after being off for over a month, heck I'm tabbed out of it right now to post. Like I said in my original post to Army, he claims I am arguing with everyone when in fact out of all the threads, Andre Smith is the only thing people to agree with me on! You agree about drafting a RB and LB in the first 3 picks, just not the RT. Most of us agree Marvin has become stale and looks disinterested and needs to go. So I really don't see what's going on. As far as Andre Smith is concerned I list several long posts showing numbers and facts about the man that make me shy away from bringing him back. That's just how I see it, and there are certain personality traits in people that just never change. I've yet to ever find a lazy person that has all of a sudden turned into a play to the whistle every play guy. That's just my view from past experience of watching sports. Look at former UC Bearcat Dontonio Wingfield, he had a ton of talent. He was 6'8", he could drain the three or make a move in the post for a dunk, yet when he got to the NBA,his lack of discipline and being lazy caused him to lose his spot in the pros. Something else that shows his lack of discipline was the fact he had like ten kids he was paying child support on. Some things never change.

So just let me know, should I stay or should I go?

What. On Earth. Are you talking about?

Does that about sum it up?

[redsbengalsbucks]

So Army what's your point?

His point is that long experience has taught us that people who make loud and repeated claims of insider knowledge based on sources they won't reveal in order to "win" arguments on internet forums are bogus. So don't expect arguments that boil down to "I'm right because secret sauce" to carry much weight.

That's the point. How long have I posted on this board and other boards? Then just now I finally said something? What should I say? You guys give me crap about everything I say that you don't agree with, then when I'm right you don't acknowledge it. It's kind of silly. I don't know if it's pride or what. Like I said, do you want me to continue to post here or do you want me to go somewhere else? It's not going to be the end of the world. I've got back into playing World of Warcraft again after being off for over a month, heck I'm tabbed out of it right now to post. Like I said in my original post to Army, he claims I am arguing with everyone when in fact out of all the threads, Andre Smith is the only thing people to agree with me on! You agree about drafting a RB and LB in the first 3 picks, just not the RT. Most of us agree Marvin has become stale and looks disinterested and needs to go. So I really don't see what's going on. As far as Andre Smith is concerned I list several long posts showing numbers and facts about the man that make me shy away from bringing him back. That's just how I see it, and there are certain personality traits in people that just never change. I've yet to ever find a lazy person that has all of a sudden turned into a play to the whistle every play guy. That's just my view from past experience of watching sports. Look at former UC Bearcat Dontonio Wingfield, he had a ton of talent. He was 6'8", he could drain the three or make a move in the post for a dunk, yet when he got to the NBA,his lack of discipline and being lazy caused him to lose his spot in the pros. Something else that shows his lack of discipline was the fact he had like ten kids he was paying child support on. Some things never change.

So just let me know, should I stay or should I go?

I'm going to stick my 2 cents in here, I dont finish reading posts that start going sideways, so I only have bits and pieces of this arguement. The thing I want to comment on is that most members on this board are more than generous with the crow eating when proven wrong. They generally go beyond acknowledging when the other person is shown to be right and outright admit that they were the ones making no sense.

I tend to not believe that this would be the case with you Gutwrench, because it would be very out of character for any regular on this board (Since HOF has not been here for awhile now).

IMO it is your decision on whether you stay or go, for me I'd rather you stayed. Varied opinions are why I read the posts on this site and I have only put a couple of posters on ignore since I have been here. Here is my advice to you, state your case and dont let the critics bother you until they prove you are wrong. When that happens admit it. If they are proven wrong, point it out to the rest with the facts of the matter. If you have no facts, let it be.

[Stripes]

I suppose the board was due one of these episodes.

[Spor_tees]

Heh amusing.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I suppose the board was due one of these episodes.

You supposed right.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I suppose the board was due one of these episodes.

You supposed right.

[cincyhokie]

I regret starting this entire thread.

"I'm right!"

"No, I'M right!"

"No you're not!"

"Yes, I am!"

Marvin Lewis has resurrected this team since 2003 but has underperformed as of late and would probably have been fired by any other team by now.

There we go. Finished!

[Spor_tees]

I really didn't come here to start trouble. The funny thing is, me and Hoosier generally got along before, and we mostly have agreed on things, but it has come to this. Why? Was it to fulfill a drama quota for the year?

I just want to talk about the Bengals and other sports.

"Can't we all just get along?"

[Spor_tees]

I regret starting this entire thread.

"I'm right!"

"No, I'M right!"

"No you're not!"

"Yes, I am!"

Marvin Lewis has resurrected this team since 2003 but has underperformed as of late and would probably have been fired by any other team by now.

There we go. Finished!

That's pretty much how it is minus a few details. It's time to get a divorce and find a fresh young piece of booty.

[cincyhokie]

I see you've brought breasts as a peace offering. Well played.

[TJJackson]

so I quit telling stuff.

best

christmas

present

E V E R

Thank you thank you thank you thank you

[ArmyBengal]

So Army what's your point? I haven't really called anyone names. I do know some inside info so when someone says something that is totally wrong, and I know it, what should I say? Ignore it? or try to inform them? I really didn't want to share I had inside info but it got to the point I had to because everyone is giving me so much s**t. Do you want me to leave again? That's fine there are other Bengals boards on the net, hell I had people on the other board asking me to come to those other boards because of the stuff I know. You can either appreciate it or ignore it. Either way I don't care. So it's up to you guys, you want to have me post, ignore what I have to say, or ask me to leave. So whatever it is, let me know. I'll be glad abide by whatever you say. :)/>/>/>

I remember when you were here as Sportees and we have never had issues and this has nothing to do with whatever info you may or may not have.

When you came back, you stated you got banned from another site over some political conversation.

You went on and on about whatever political opinion you or the other board members had and you sounded butthurt by the whole election.

Then you made the statement about not liking the board here much and asked where all the "analyzing" was and Hoosier invited more from you.

That's not what he got in return.

You seem to be looking to "win" in whatever conversation is taking place and claim you are right due to your knowledge of the situation.

You can't prove any of it mind you and then get mad when people challenge you on it. What did you think was going to happen ??

Hell, even in your response you are talking about how you are so wanted elsewhere due to your "info". Why come back to a place who questions you ??

You can talk about whatever issue you choose and I will either agree or disagree. Smith, the draft, whatever.

An example is claiming Marvin is a poor coach due to his lack of fire and wanting a coach that has fire to take his place.

While I happen to agree that Marvin should take a flying leap, I and most here disagreed with your argument that fire = success.

You didn't let it go and when challenged went on about how you were right because of "inside info". You win.

I told you to either share it or forget it. However, in sharing, you open yourself up to every bit of questioning and rightfully so.

You can't get mad about it and then ask if we want you to leave the board. That's just nonsense. Do what you want to.

I responded here one last time, but if you would like to discuss it further, I would ask to send me a PM.

[Spor_tees]

Sense I've come back, there is only one real argument I've had with people and it's the Andre Smith situation. I gave several facts including his past history, his contract requirements that he failed to meet, the franchise tag stats from this year and projections, possible replacements, and the fact the Bengals turned a very reasonable 2 year extension for Smith already that was in the $6 million dollar range. I don't think that is all opinion.

As far as Marvin, just look back at Cincyhokie's CBS article post where a CBS sportsline reporter said they could hear Marvin's post game speech to his team after a loss to one of their biggest rival the Steeler's in which, "Marvin sounded bored in addressing the team after the 24-17 loss to the Steelers." Come on, He should have been, doing a combination of ripping his team and encouraging them that if some of the mistakes they made cost them the game. He should have been telling them how the Steelers aren't really a better team than them, they can and should beat them.

I've had some info for a long time, but kept it to myself, even through all the Hair situation. Honestly I hoped to come back to this board and have some enjoyable conversations and in depth discussions sharing stats and info back and forth with people, instead I was attacked by some people like TJ and the Critic who's rebuttals were nothing more than personal attacks. Are you saying anything to them? Then when I get into discussions and I do say something that is insider info, but I don't say it is insider info, and you tell me to prove it, what should I do? There are three outcomes, I can either say I can't prove it and you go on thinking I'm a worthless poster that can't back up what I say, I could just continue to argue with you and say that from past experiences I assume it's true and then we get into a big argument, or lastly I I finally come out and tell you I have a little inside info, and then this happens because there are so many close minded people to not believe that a 36 year old guy that has lived, went to and worked all over Ohio and parts of Cincinnati can't possible find some kind of connection with his favorite team from when he was a kid. It defies logic. I bet if we were here discussing a subject that you know well, you might know someone that is an expert in your field and you would have some info to share with us. Should we then question you and say that your insider info is bogus?

Look at the deal with Sanu. I'm trying to remember if I posted it here or before I left the other board, but I said that Sanu was going to start to get more carries at running back because the Bengals are trying to decide how important the running back situation it going be to fill next year and whether they bring Scott back. I also stated the Bengals were going to start throwing more screen plays including to Sanu. The first play of the game was a screen to Sanu, and the Bengals threw a lot more screens than normal. Some failed, like where Green lost 8 yards and Dalton's pass got Knocked down, but some went well like Sanu's, and the one to Green that went for like 25 yards on third and 18. Is it coincidence that this week I say something and it happens in this week's game?