TJJackson Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 from: http://cincinnati.com/blogs/sports/2012/07/24/report-dre-kirkpatrick-suffers-leg-injury/Bengals rookie cornerback Dre Kirkpatrick suffered a leg injury while gearing up for camp, a league sources tells CBSSports.com’s Jason La Canfora. The injury could cause the rookie to possibly missing most or all of camp.The Bengals declined comment on the matter, citing coach Marvin Lewis’ policy of not discussing any potential injury situations prior to the start of camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volcom69 Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 So it begins! Its always something, i guess least it was early, but still he needs all the practice he can get. Looks like Terrance Newman, and Ghee will both be making the team now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Well, if you were going to tell me one of two 1st round picks were going to get injured and I had to pick which one it was, I would pick Dre.Not because of anything personal, but rather the impact I think Zeitler will have versus him this season.It's not a season ending injury from all accounts to this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFBkzG7u-9s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Dre confirms the injury on twitter, tho no details, just apologies./>https://twitter.com/DreKirkSWAG/status/227974757210025984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyline Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 *sigh*I come onto the forums for some nice and happy Reds talk, and I'm greeted by this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottishbengal Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 The Curse of The Camps begins ...seems to be historically a crow on our shoulders. But trying to be positive - how serious could an injury be "gearing up"...and a leg injury at that. How could you do it - falling over, tripping, slipping??.......I have images of Dre opening his locker and Scooby Doo and Mystery Inc running out being pursued by a mummy, a vampire, and a hideous beast as they chase each other in and out of lockers .....Dre steps backwards in surprise onto a garden rake carelessly abandoned by a lacklustre groundstaff, the rake pops up twats Dre in the back of the head propelling him forward whereby he headbuts a wall and collapses, an unstable (and improperly erected) shelf on the wall starts to wobble and then fails bringing the contents of the shelf to the ground. One such item is a 16lb bowling ball which Mike Brown won back in 1971 for winning a "Naked Bowling" competition in Newport on the Levee, which lands squarely on Dre's knee causing the reported injury. Now thats about right for the Bengals sustaining an injury!!!:frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 The Curse of The Camps begins ...seems to be historically a crow on our shoulders. But trying to be positive - how serious could an injury be "gearing up"...and a leg injury at that. How could you do it - falling over, tripping, slipping??.......I have images of Dre opening his locker and Scooby Doo and Mystery Inc running out being pursued by a mummy, a vampire, and a hideous beast as they chase each other in and out of lockers .....Dre steps backwards in surprise onto a garden rake carelessly abandoned by a lacklustre groundstaff, the rake pops up twats Dre in the back of the head propelling him forward whereby he headbuts a wall and collapses, an unstable (and improperly erected) shelf on the wall starts to wobble and then fails bringing the contents of the shelf to the ground. One such item is a 16lb bowling ball which Mike Brown won back in 1971 for winning a "Naked Bowling" competition in Newport on the Levee, which lands squarely on Dre's knee causing the reported injury. Now thats about right for the Bengals sustaining an injury!!!:frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: :frustrated: Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Most of us didn't want or expect Dre to start right away anyway. So while this sucks because it will slow his development - it's not exactly a kick to the nuts. The Bengals have a bunch of options at CB right now. Good players are going to get cut. Kirkpatrick strikes me as an important player for the future much more than an important player for the 2012 season.I expect Hall to be starting week 1. We've been hearing nothing but positive things about Ghee and Newman. Allen and Clements are solid... and Pacman played well in man coverage last year.Given the fact that I wasn't a big fan of the Kirkpatrick draft pick in the first place, I just don't see this having much of an impact on the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walrus Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 That really stinks, but at least it hits us at a position of relative depth. Since it happened so early, doesn't that mean they can PUP him and open a roster spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 PUP would shelve him for the first 6 weeks of the season. I don't get the impression that the injury is that serious.At face value, the report says Kirkpatrick could miss most or all of training camp. It doesn't suggest that he will miss the entire preseason or any of the regular season. Just training camp.Training camp only lasts until August 19th. The report implies that he might not miss all of camp. So the PUP list seems crazy sidelining him until mid-October for an injury he could potentially be recovered from by mid August.We're all just guessing right now - and I can appreciate preparing for the worst... but this report doesn't suggest an injury of that type of severity to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Dre spending his first pro camp on the sidelines is a blow, no way around it. Hall is coming off a bad injury. Pacman and Clements have both been sidelined in offseason camps this year with injuries of their own. On top of that, Jones has a history of injuries and Clements could fall apart any day.We'll see how it goes in August but I'm not liking the trends at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Dre spending his first pro camp on the sidelines is a blow, no way around it. Hall is coming off a bad injury. Pacman and Clements have both been sidelined in offseason camps this year with injuries of their own. On top of that, Jones has a history of injuries and Clements could fall apart any day.We'll see how it goes in August but I'm not liking the trends at all.Meh. I'll need more than this to go into panic mode. Most expected Dre to start as a Nickle CB at best. So missing a month merely slows his development a little. Hardly an end of the world scenario.Besides, I've been saying for months that I expect Hall to be fully recovered by week 1 (10 months removed from his surgery)... and the other injuries you've mentioned have been minor and precautionary. The Bengals have a lot of decent CBs on the roster. A month long shelving of a rookie who wasn't liekly to start right away shouldn't cause a lot of handwringing. But we're bored and training camp hasn't started yet... so it's fun to sensationalize these things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 The Bengals have a lot of decent CBs on the roster. Fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ct_bengal Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I agree - it's disheartening but not a big blow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Well, if you were going to tell me one of two 1st round picks were going to get injured and I had to pick which one it was, I would pick Dre.Not because of anything personal, but rather the impact I think Zeitler will have versus him this season.It's not a season ending injury from all accounts to this point.agree about KirkP v Zeitler... we need Zeitler to play well right away more than KirkP.Newman, Allen, Jones, CLement and Hall. If Hall can comeback, I think they will be fine. I look for Newman and Allen to play like they have something to prove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmyBengal Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I expect Hall to be there. With that thought, there are enough decent (yes decent) CB's to get us through until this injury is resolved. Minus it being a season ender, i'm not concerned. Many thought he might get a starters spot by midseason to begin with. I'll worry about it when I have something more to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 I expect Hall to be there. With that thought, there are enough decent (yes decent) CB's to get us through until this injury is resolved. Yep. Hall should be fine. Clements played very well last year. Allen and Jones are both solid CBs and graded out positively last season per PFF. Then if either Ghee or Newman play like they have something to prove, the Bengals have more solid CBs than they have room for.I didn't like the Kirkpatrick draft pick from the get-go. I don't think he was a top 20 player in the draft (more like top 50)... so I didn't expect him to come in here and be a hero on this defense. Hell... in the last couple of years, even CBs taken with top 10 picks have struggled in their rookie seasons. So expectations with this dude needed to be managed anyway.This doesn't feel like losing the development of a 1st round pick (I would feel that way if Zeitler got hurt). This feels more like a 2nd or 3rd round pick getting injured... because the Bengals weren't counting on him to start right away. The current roster looks like they planned for this. To me, the most frustrating thing about this is that he now has a built in excuse. If/when Dre plays poorly (as I expect him to), it will be because he missed Training Camp. I don't want the excuses. I just want a quality player... and I'm skeptical about Kirkpatrick being that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 According to the NFL Network... Kirkpatrick is expected to miss 6 weeks with a fractured bone in his knee.What is not clear (to me at least) is if this means 6 weeks from today... or six weeks from the injury. We know that the Bengals have known about this injury for at least 2 weeks - so perhaps he would be back in 4 weeks or less?Regardless... my earlier comments remain my stance. It is a set-back for Kirkpatrick more than the Bengals. They have the depth to handle this loss. Kirkpatrick won't play until he earns it... and at this point, I'm doubting he'll earn it until the middle of the season at the earliest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Yep. Hall should be fine. Clements played very well last year. Allen and Jones are both solid CBs and graded out positively last season per PFF. Then if either Ghee or Newman play like they have something to prove, the Bengals have more solid CBs than they have room for.Optomism is fine, but this reads like a note from a mirror universe. Hall should be fine? Based on...? Until he gets on the field, it's all a guess. Clements is 32 and hasn't put in a full season in four years. Jones may be solid, but he also can't get on the field (19 games missed in 2 seasons as a Bengal). Ghee can't stay healthy, either, and Newman will be 34 by the start of the season. Thank god for Allen because at this point he's the surest thing they have.There's a reason that the Bengals piled up a bunch of castoff corners and spent a first-round pick on one to boot: they're hoping that someone(s) rise to the top of a roster scrum. Hopefully that happens, but given the ages and injury-prone natures of a lot of these guys, things could also go south fast. In any event, right now "solid" is not a word I would use to describe the Bengals' secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Hall should be fine? Based on...?Based on the fact that in the last couple of years several players have been back playing football in the NFL within 8 months of their surgery. The first game of the season will be 10 months removed from Hall's surgery.All signs show that Hall is ahead of schedule. So... based on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Oh, FWIW, info out today is that Dre fractured a bone in his knee and will be placed on PUP to start camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Optimism is fine, but this reads like a note from a mirror universe. Hall should be fine? Based on...? Until he gets on the field, it's all a guess. Clements is 32 and hasn't put in a full season in four years. Jones may be solid, but he also can't get on the field (19 games missed in 2 seasons as a Bengal). Ghee can't stay healthy, either, and Newman will be 34 by the start of the season. Thank god for Allen because at this point he's the surest thing they have.There's a reason that the Bengals piled up a bunch of castoff corners and spent a first-round pick on one to boot: they're hoping that someone(s) rise to the top of a roster scrum. Hopefully that happens, but given the ages and injury-prone natures of a lot of these guys, things could also go south fast. In any event, right now "solid" is not a word I would use to describe the Bengals' secondary.The Bengals CB situation is miles ahead of what they had last year at this time - and they managed to get by. Even without Kirkpatrick the Bengals have a lot more talent available to them than they did last season.You can fault me for my optimism if you like... but your post reads like it comes from the hand-wringers handbook. Worrying about worst case scenarios from every single player on the roster is far less rational that assuming that they will perform in accordance with reasonable expectations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Oh, FWIW, info out today is that Dre fractured a bone in his knee and will be placed on PUP to start camp.Most likely the Active PUP. Highly unlikely that they'll place him on the Reserve PUP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted July 25, 2012 Report Share Posted July 25, 2012 Clements is 32 and hasn't put in a full season in four years. I initially took you at your word on this... but it's false.Clements started all 16 games in 2010. He missed half of the season in 2009, but he started 15 games for the Bengals last year and 15 games for the 49ers in 2008 - so highlighting him as an injury prone player is spinning the facts to try to win a debate. He's been incredibly durable throughout his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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