Stanford Routt

[Wraith]

He is certainly fast, not sure if he is a decent CB or not his best seasons were with Nmamdi on the other side and last year he was one of the worst ranked CB in the league per Pro Football Focus.

[UK Bengal]

Not for the money he will be wanting

[ArmyBengal]

Hard to call it, even if he isn't starter quality, we will still need depth at the position.

Pac-Man and Jennings can both be shown the door. Is he worse than either of them ??

Yeah, money will also indicate my comfort level with that.

[wpeldios]

Not a fan. He is overrated and undrperforms. His best numbers were when he had a lot of safety help.

[HoosierCat]

From what little I know about him he's decent in man coverage but has a high "toast" factor. No harm in hearing his demands...

[derekshank]

From what little I know about him he's decent in man coverage but has a high "toast" factor. No harm in hearing his demands...

He was awesome in 2010 as a #2 CB in press man coverage (more or less what the Bengals are looking for).

Last year he was asked to be a #1, and if I'm not mistaken, Breshnahan runs mostly zone coverages (not to mention Oakland's lack of pass-rush).

Oakland overpaid him, but he's still a damn good cover corner... and I think he would find a good amount of success in Cincy.

My only concern is that he had 17 penalties last year... but if the price is right, it would be nice to give the Bengals some flexibility in FA and the draft.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

Oakland overpaid him, but he's still a damn good cover corner... and I think he would find a good amount of success in Cincy.

Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of instances of a #2 guy looking great until he has to be the #1 guy, at which point he sucks all of a sudden. I wouldn't expect him to be as good here as he was in 2010, since our #1 isn't as good as Asamsdfdsfh was in Oakland. It all comes down to money like usual - so if he'll take #2 money, OK - but I'm sure some dumb team will overpay. I just hope we're not that dumb team.

My only concern is that he had 17 penalties last year...

Which led the league. Can't be a good sign. Sounds like a guy who might be using his hands to make up for coverage problems.

[derekshank]

Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of instances of a #2 guy looking great until he has to be the #1 guy, at which point he sucks all of a sudden.

Well here are the stats from the 2010 season.

Asomugha was thrown at the fewest percentage in the NFL. Which means by default, Routt was in the bottom 20 in percentage of times thrown at. QBs were afraid to throw it to Asomugha's side of the field, so Routt was tested often throughout the season, being thrown at 99 times compared to Asomugha's 29 times.

So, that should tell us a lot about Routt, right? How did he fair? He ranked 16th in the NFL in reception % per coverage snaps. Of those 99 times he was targeted, he only allowed 42 receptions. That's indicative of a damn fine cover CB, who Bresh misused in a zone system.

I don't care if Asomugha was on the other side of the field... Routt was a very good CB in 2010, and if Hall comes back healthy they only need Routt to be a #2 guy anyway.

[Spor_tees]

Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of instances of a #2 guy looking great until he has to be the #1 guy, at which point he sucks all of a sudden.

Well here are the stats from the 2010 season.

Asomugha was thrown at the fewest percentage in the NFL. Which means by default, Routt was in the bottom 20 in percentage of times thrown at. QBs were afraid to throw it to Asomugha's side of the field, so Routt was tested often throughout the season, being thrown at 99 times compared to Asomugha's 29 times.

So, that should tell us a lot about Routt, right? How did he fair? He ranked 16th in the NFL in reception % per coverage snaps. Of those 99 times he was targeted, he only allowed 42 receptions. That's indicative of a damn fine cover CB, who Bresh misused in a zone system.

I don't care if Asomugha was on the other side of the field... Routt was a very good CB in 2010, and if Hall comes back healthy they only need Routt to be a #2 guy anyway.

The time frame for recovery from a knee reconstruction surgery is a whole calendar year. Hall got hurt in mid-November so I doubt he will be fully cleared until after the season has started, which would mean he would more than likely start the year on the PUP list. Whomever they bring in, free agent or draft pick, will probably be the starter for the first 6 weeks of the season.

[volcom69]

Maybe, maybe not. There are a lot of instances of a #2 guy looking great until he has to be the #1 guy, at which point he sucks all of a sudden.

Well here are the stats from the 2010 season.

Asomugha was thrown at the fewest percentage in the NFL. Which means by default, Routt was in the bottom 20 in percentage of times thrown at. QBs were afraid to throw it to Asomugha's side of the field, so Routt was tested often throughout the season, being thrown at 99 times compared to Asomugha's 29 times.

So, that should tell us a lot about Routt, right? How did he fair? He ranked 16th in the NFL in reception % per coverage snaps. Of those 99 times he was targeted, he only allowed 42 receptions. That's indicative of a damn fine cover CB, who Bresh misused in a zone system.

I don't care if Asomugha was on the other side of the field... Routt was a very good CB in 2010, and if Hall comes back healthy they only need Routt to be a #2 guy anyway.

The time frame for recovery from a knee reconstruction surgery is a whole calendar year. Hall got hurt in mid-November so I doubt he will be fully cleared until after the season has started, which would mean he would more than likely start the year on the PUP list. Whomever they bring in, free agent or draft pick, will probably be the starter for the first 6 weeks of the season.

Maybe so but they were just saying how Leon was doing really good, and was healing faster then they thought. He is young so thats one good thing going for him.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

So, that should tell us a lot about Routt, right? How did he fair? He ranked 16th in the NFL in reception % per coverage snaps. Of those 99 times he was targeted, he only allowed 42 receptions. That's indicative of a damn fine cover CB, who Bresh misused in a zone system.

It tells me he's a guy who's always covering the other team's #2 receiver and gets a lot of safety help, allowing him to play tight and underneath. That will let a mediocre player look a lot better than he is. I'm a stats guy, but they don't always tell the whole story. This is one of those times.

I don't care if Asomugha was on the other side of the field... Routt was a very good CB in 2010, and if Hall comes back healthy they only need Routt to be a #2 guy anyway.

But Hall isn't as good as Asomsdfd - or close - so don't expect the 2010 Routt.

[HoosierCat]

It tells me he's a guy who's always covering the other team's #2 receiver and gets a lot of safety help, allowing him to play tight and underneath. That will let a mediocre player look a lot better than he is. I'm a stats guy, but they don't always tell the whole story. This is one of those times.

Without getting into the issue of whether he's mediocre or not, I think this is the nub of the issue: he's a system guy. If the Bengals are looking at him in that light and think he fits what they want to do in 2012, Routt is a good choice. If they're thinking "man guy = good" full stop, then not so much. So if they buy him, who is the over the top safety that makes him work? I'm not sure I see that guy. Maybe if they are thinking of moving Clements to safety, but supposedly he didn't want to do that in SF. Maybe now that he got paid he'd be more willing...?

[derekshank]

The time frame for recovery from a knee reconstruction surgery is a whole calendar year.

Oh. Well... I guess it's a good thing that Hall didn't have a knee injury then.

That's a relief. Thanks for the perspective.

[derekshank]

If the Bengals are looking at him in that light and think he fits what they want to do in 2012, Routt is a good choice.

This is where I'm coming from.

Zimmer likes a physical press man coverage corner. That's what Routt is. And the Bengals have a much better pass rush than Oakland had.

Routt is not my favorite choice, but if the Bengals go that way... it is a choice that makes sense to me.

[derekshank]

But Hall isn't as good as Asomsdfd - or close - so don't expect the 2010 Routt.

I don't follow your point. If your theory is that Routt was only good because he was that he was a #2, it doesn't really matter how good the #1 is. As long as Routt is the guy covering the #2 WR, he's still capable of doing his job.

In fact, QBs aren't nearly as afraid to throw at Hall as they were Nnamdi, so Routt would have even less expected of him in Cincy than he did in Oakland.

[Spor_tees]

The time frame for recovery from a knee reconstruction surgery is a whole calendar year.

Oh. Well... I guess it's a good thing that Hall didn't have a knee injury then.

That's a relief. Thanks for the perspective.

Oh yeah he tore his achilles...which is worse. I remember when Isaiah Thomas had that injury and missed like a year and a half. Antwan Odom was never the same after his injury.

[derekshank]

Oh yeah he tore his achilles...which is worse.

No... it's not.

I remember when Isaiah Thomas had that injury and missed like a year and a half.

What year was that? Remember when Greg Cook tore his rotator cuff and it essentially ended his career?

Advances in medical science do occur every decade or so.

Antwan Odom was never the same after his injury.

One word... Steroids.

[Spor_tees]

Oh yeah he tore his achilles...which is worse.

No... it's not.

I remember when Isaiah Thomas had that injury and missed like a year and a half.

What year was that? Remember when Greg Cook tore his rotator cuff and it essentially ended his career?

Advances in medical science do occur every decade or so.

Antwan Odom was never the same after his injury.

One word... Steroids.

Lavar Arrington tore his achilles, career over. Dan Marino tore his achilles, next year career over. Takeo Spikes tore his achilles and turned into a backup LBer. There are several other athletes that have also torn their achilles and came back into action only to be a shadow of their former self. Do you have any examples of guys that tore their achilles and came back to be just as good or better?

[derekshank]

Lavar Arrington tore his achilles, career over. Dan Marino tore his achilles, next year career over. Takeo Spikes tore his achilles and turned into a backup LBer. There are several other athletes that have also torn their achilles and came back into action only to be a shadow of their former self. Do you have any examples of guys that tore their achilles and came back to be just as good or better?

It's incredibly unusual for a player in his 20's to rupture his achilles. All of the players you have mentioned were on the wrong side of 30 when they had their injuries.

A 30+ year old player tearing his ACL is no less likely to end his career. Hall is still young, so there is no reason to be pessimistic about his career.

[Spor_tees]

Lavar Arrington tore his achilles, career over. Dan Marino tore his achilles, next year career over. Takeo Spikes tore his achilles and turned into a backup LBer. There are several other athletes that have also torn their achilles and came back into action only to be a shadow of their former self. Do you have any examples of guys that tore their achilles and came back to be just as good or better?

It's incredibly unusual for a player in his 20's to rupture his achilles. All of the players you have mentioned were on the wrong side of 30 when they had their injuries.

A 30+ year old player tearing his ACL is no less likely to end his career. Hall is still young, so there is no reason to be pessimistic about his career.

So at the same time you say that it is rare for a guy in his 20's to tear his achilles, then why did Leon do it? Did Leon have tendonitis in his foot before that weakened the tendon? It wouldn't be the first time that a young guy has a part of his body aged beyond his years. I would hate to see Leon not come back the same guy, but there is no reason to shrug off an achilles injury as no big deal.

[derekshank]

It wouldn't be the first time that a young guy has a part of his body aged beyond his years.

What a weird thing to say.

Correlation does not equal causation. There are a lot of other factors at play when an achilles injury results in a player taking a major step backward in his career. The most important being the age of the player at hand.

It's a serious injury, and I never said otherwise. I just said it's not worse than an ACL. And Leon Hall is young, so there is no reason to jump to conclusions about him not getting back to 100%... or especially that he has old man tendons.

And since you asked me for one name... Greg Ellis. He ruptured his achilles in 2006, and was named the comeback player of the year in 2007 with 12.5 sacks as an OLB.

[Spor_tees]

It wouldn't be the first time that a young guy has a part of his body aged beyond his years.

What a weird thing to say.

Correlation does not equal causation. There are a lot of other factors at play when an achilles injury results in a player taking a major step backward in his career. The most important being the age of the player at hand.

It's a serious injury, and I never said otherwise. I just said it's not worse than an ACL. And Leon Hall is young, so there is no reason to jump to conclusions about him not getting back to 100%... or especially that he has old man tendons.

And since you asked me for one name... Greg Ellis. He ruptured his achilles in 2006, and was named the comeback player of the year in 2007 with 12.5 sacks as an OLB.

You really should read up more about achilles tendon injuries. They do say that the causation tends to come from the deterioration of the tendon due to tendonitis. I also read some articles posted by professional runners that stated how much of a decline they saw in their times even 7 months after surgery.

[derekshank]

Routt Will Be Picking His Next Team Soon.

He cancelled his meeting with the Cowboys after meeting with Cincinnati... and Hue Jackson was hired as a DB coach shortly before he visited Cincy. I have a feeling Routt is going to be a Bengal.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Routt Will Be Picking His Next Team Soon.

He cancelled his meeting with the Cowboys after meeting with Cincinnati... and Hue Jackson was hired as a DB coach shortly before he visited Cincy. I have a feeling Routt is going to be a Bengal.

I agree that's the most likely outcome here. He want's to hook back up with Hue.

[derekshank]

I'll be quite happy if he signs with the Bengals.

Give him Adam Jones' roster spot, and give him Nate Clements job as the #2 (Clements can be a starter for a little while if Hall has any trouble getting back to 100%).

Goodbye Jones... but bring back Jennings, and draft Chase Minnifield or Jayron Hosley in the 2nd round. If everything works out... perhaps Clements would even be willing to move to FS so his playing time doesn't diminish - and suddenly the secondary looks pretty damn good.