The days of Carson Palmer are over.

[HairOnFire]

I'll say this much for HoF's BSoPB rant: he's right in that the minute everything goes south, suddenly the answer is to throw out the QBs and WRs we do have...and then spend all our draft picks on new QBs and WRs...

True, but I think the above fits my patented "Churn 'em & Burn 'em" rant slightly better than my patented BSoPB "throw the ball around the yard at all costs" rant. Furthermore, there's also hints of Clockwork Orange and Smashball/Grinding to be considered. Finally, I consider my patented Dead Brat Bounce to be some of my finest work.

Admittedly there is some overlap in my "themes".

Meanwhile the D continues to circle the s**tter...

I still have fond memories of Cell Block Dand Be the Bully but they're fading rapidly. As am I.

[DC_Bengals_Fan]

I'll say this much for HoF's BSoPB rant: he's right in that the minute everything goes south, suddenly the answer is to throw out the QBs and WRs we do have...and then spend all our draft picks on new QBs and WRs...

Meanwhile the D continues to circle the s**tter...

I'm on the 'Line, Line, and More Line (then a safety)' team, myself.

Besides...we have some decent WRs who aren't morons. Shipley's great. Caldwell should be able to play. Gresham's basically a big nasty WR himself. Get one decent FA WR to plug the hole, why can't we play with that? Let Carson have WRs who actually listen to him for the first time in his career and I just bet things improve for him. Probably getting rid of an OC whose timing offense resembles a Rube Goldberg machine would help too.

[bwillycuse]

I'll say this much for HoF's BSoPB rant: he's right in that the minute everything goes south, suddenly the answer is to throw out the QBs and WRs we do have...and then spend all our draft picks on new QBs and WRs...

Meanwhile the D continues to circle the s**tter...

I'm on the 'Line, Line, and More Line (then a safety)' team, myself.

Besides...we have some decent WRs who aren't morons. Shipley's great. Caldwell should be able to play. Gresham's basically a big nasty WR himself. Get one decent FA WR to plug the hole, why can't we play with that? Let Carson have WRs who actually listen to him for the first time in his career and I just bet things improve for him. Probably getting rid of an OC whose timing offense resembles a Rube Goldberg machine would help too.

I think we have one NFL caliber WR on this roster after Chad and TO. Shipley.

Caldwell and Simpson are both dead weight. Cosby cant play outside.

If we drop TO and Chad. I envision us going after Edwards or someone like that. Or of course, there is the drafting method. We could always coach down some stragglers out there as well.

[HairOnFire]

If we drop TO and Chad. I envision us going after Edwards or someone like that. Or of course, there is the drafting method.

AJ Green.

It's coming and in our hearts I think we all know it.

Of course some will mention Andrew Luck but we know he won't be there. Others will pimp Fairley or Bowers but there's a a very good reason we're not called the Bastard Sons of Buddy Ryan. The Gimme a Lineman crowd will have to wait.

That said, I comfort myself knowing that for once the strategy of Churn and Burn is the right thing to do. Because rebuilding a passing game around aging cockbags is never the right thing to do. Besides, even Chad lovers have to admit he's become as mentally weak and broken down as anyone on the roster, Carson Palmer included. As for Owens, he probably just wrote his ticket out of town and even if he didn't he's more of a stumbling block than a building block.

AJ Green, Jordan Shipley, Jermain Gresham, and somebody else. Somebody besides Edwards.

Divas and clowns need not apply.

[TJJackson]

The Gimme a Lineman crowd will have to wait.

Oh helLLLLLLLL no

Divas and clowns need not apply.

Now there's a plan I can back 200%

[BengalPimp]

If we drop TO and Chad. I envision us going after Edwards or someone like that. Or of course, there is the drafting method.

AJ Green.

It's coming and in our hearts I think we all know it.

I really like Green, and think he'll be special, the only problem is, if you take a WR at #2 or #3, under the current system, you'll pretty much guarantee him around $40-$50 million and an annual salary of over $10 million. That would automatically make him the highest paid WR in the league In annual salary ( I believe Fitz averages $10 mill per as well) . That's a lot of coin for a WR, es[pecially if he doesn't pan out. For example, do you realize that Darrius Heyward-Bey will make a total of $21.5 million this season (salary, bonuses, etc)????? Here's hoping they implement some sort of Rookie Cap in the new CBA.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Read the Top Ten Reasons why the Bengals are done with Carson Palmer. Please God give us Newton or Luck.

[cincyhokie]

Read the Top Ten Reasons why the Bengals are done with Carson Palmer. Please God give us Newton or Luck.

No offense, but that list is weak. I really liked the one where it said Palmer is underachieving for what he is making so MB will get rid of him. Uh, if MB was so concerned with underachieving he would have scrapped Brat a long time ago. He would have cut Guy-check and not let him bleed the offense the way he did. MB cares about one thing ironically. Not wasting money. Palmer has as much of a chance in getting cut as MB hiring a GM. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!

Here's the number one reason that Palmer is NOT done with the Bengals:

1. Mike Brown is the GM. He didn't trade Chad Johnson, why would he trade or cut Palmer? And here's number 1b. If the Bengals get rid of Palmer then they are really saying "we're rebuilding!". MB is going to try and retain as many season ticket holders as possible. Palmer's not going anywhere.

The Bengals can draft a QB, but Palmer's still staying. In fact, we have a MUCH better chance of winning with him than a rookie. Put the emotions aside.

[BengalszoneBilly]

Put the emotions aside.

I will if he puts throwing pick sixes aside.

[BengalPimp]

Read the Top Ten Reasons why the Bengals are done with Carson Palmer. Please God give us Newton or Luck.

No to Newton, and as for Luck, can we get a QB who doesn't sport a knee brace? (See below)

I'm starting to sound like a broken record, but I say wait another year and hope to get Landry Jones

[HairOnFire]

I really like Green, and think he'll be special...

Even better is what he won't be. Specifically, a diva. Better still, Green is the perfect type of player to rebuild a passing game around.

....the only problem is, if you take a WR at #2 or #3, under the current system, you'll pretty much guarantee him around $40-$50 million and an annual salary of over $10 million.

Under the current system the cost of the pick is based upon the slot itself, not the position being selected, with only one exception. That being QB. And Andrew Luck isn't going to be available. So regardless of position selected you'd still get poor value using the sceario you post above.

Besides, it's not my money and Green represents the best and quickest way to send the circus out of town.

[TJJackson]

and besides, they need to pick their usual 3 receivers a year, might as well get started right off the bat

[cincyhokie]

Put the emotions aside.

I will if he puts throwing pick sixes aside.

As soon as the sideshow leaves town and Brat is canned, the pick 6's should decrease.

No guarantees.

[Sea Ray]

Goodell has said that he wants a new CBA by the end of the Super Bowl. Let's hope it's done by draft day and that it includes a salary scale for draftees

[BengalszoneBilly]

Goodell has said that he wants a new CBA by the end of the Super Bowl. Let's hope it's done by draft day and that it includes a salary scale for draftees

Personally I'm not holding my breath on that happening. Both parties in this want too much from the other.

[HairOnFire]

and besides, they need to pick their usual 3 receivers a year, might as well get started right off the bat

Yup, might as well. But speaking only for myself I'm not talking about taking three more wideouts or even two. I'll let guys like Hoosier sell that all too familiar bag of goods. Rather, I'm talking about drafting one WR, and IMHO the primary reason for doing so is Green represents the best value the Bengals are likely to get with the 2nd overall pick.

I guess the bigger question being asked is if the current team can be salvaged or propped up enough to be a contender next season. If you think it can be then you're problem more willing to keep a smiling cancer like Chad...allowing you to turn your attention in other directions. But I can't bring myself to do that and a player like Green offers the best opportunity to rebuild in a truly meaningful manner.

If push actually comes to shove I admit I could easily add a couple players to my own draft short list. For example, should Andrew Luck actually be available I could make as strong a case for drafting him as others are currently doing. But IMHO he won't be available and the argument for simply taking the next QB available regardless of how he's ranked is a crap argument that can't be justified. And while I can normally be counted on to pimp a D-lineman every year I can't bring myself to do so this year even if a Fairey or Bowers was available. Granted, if they were selected I could learn to accept them in the same way I reluctantly accepted the Gresham pick. But right now I can't bring myself to pimp either of them. In fact, I can barely bring myself to consider them.

Of course all of the above is subject to change based upon things like coaching changes, and players lost to free agency. But as it stands right now I've got a one-man short list complimented by an equally strong desire to test the theory of addition by subtraction. Or if you prefer....

My vision is clear and focused. My resolve is steady, my mood dark. The arm holding my axe is strong and willing, and my nostrils long for the scent of diva blood. I'm in a foul killing mood and AJ Green allows me to begin my hunt.

Gimme.

[BengalszoneBilly]

I'm in a foul killing mood and AJ Green allows me to begin my hunt.

You'll be in a much fouler mood when you realize you're blinded enough to think Carson Palmer can get him the ball for a TD more often than he does the opposition. I'll put you down as one of the "Cart Before The Horse" group.

[Kazkal]

I agree with most of that billy

[TJJackson]

I should comment first that my earlier comment about taking 3 receivers was as sarcastic as sarcastic gets. They do exhibit this tendency year after year, tho, and have only hit paydirt once in recent years - Shipley

That said, yeah, they do need to find a new number 1 receiver, and I am fully in the "goodbye divas" which does mean you need a couple new receivers. But I hope one of those is a promising player on someone else's roster right now, and the other is a midround pick ala Shipley.

I am firmly in the camp that says that my gramma can run and throw behind a superior line - ie with a superior line, you don't need the gifted running back, nor the franchise quarterback, nor the preening princess wideouts. Serviceable/lunchpail guys - guys big on intelligence, toughness, and want-to -- will do fine that that point. So I really don't care if none of the big guys are a "good value" at pick 2 or Mel says the pick is a big reach - I want star linemen. A lot of them. And I am not fooled by Whitworth's lead in pro bowl voting - he's a LG or a RT playing out of position, and he needs to be put where he can do the most good, not where he HAS to play because there simply is no one else capable of playing LT competently.

So to the matter of Carson - I am not sure if I care if Carson stays or goes because I think he'd be adequate if we put all those other pieces I mentioned around him and lose the Two Loon Platoon

[BengalszoneBilly]

I should comment first that my earlier comment about taking 3 receivers was as sarcastic as sarcastic gets. They do exhibit this tendency year after year, tho, and have only hit paydirt once in recent years - Shipley

That said, yeah, they do need to find a new number 1 receiver, and I am fully in the "goodbye divas" which does mean you need a couple new receivers. But I hope one of those is a promising player on someone else's roster right now, and the other is a midround pick ala Shipley.

I am firmly in the camp that says that my gramma can run and throw behind a superior line - ie with a superior line, you don't need the gifted running back, nor the franchise quarterback, nor the preening princess wideouts. Serviceable/lunchpail guys - guys big on intelligence, toughness, and want-to -- will do fine that that point. So I really don't care if none of the big guys are a "good value" at pick 2 or Mel says the pick is a big reach - I want star linemen. A lot of them. And I am not fooled by Whitworth's lead in pro bowl voting - he's a LG or a RT playing out of position, and he needs to be put where he can do the most good, not where he HAS to play because there simply is no one else capable of playing LT competently.

So to the matter of Carson - I am not sure if I care if Carson stays or goes because I think he'd be adequate if we put all those other pieces I mentioned around him and lose the Two Loon Platoon

Ben Roethlisberger plays behind a porous OL, and still gets the job done. Why not Palmer?

[Kazkal]

I am firmly in the camp that says that my gramma can run and throw behind a superior line - ie with a superior line, you don't need the gifted running back, nor the franchise quarterback,

it's a copycat league and how many years in a row has the Superbowl winning tam had a franchise QB?

Drew Brees-Not drafted by them but still franchise worthy

Big Raping Ben

Eli manning

Peyton Manning

Big Ben

Brady

Brady

Brady

Then who ever was the Ravens and Buccaneers had..

So it's been how long since a team without a franchise QB has won the superbowl?..

[BengalszoneBilly]

So it's been how long since a team without a franchise QB has won the superbowl?..

The Ravens with Trent Dilfer in 2000.

[TJJackson]

I wouldn't mind drafting a franchise QB somewhere down the line

It just isn't in my mind the biggest priority

[volcom69]

I should comment first that my earlier comment about taking 3 receivers was as sarcastic as sarcastic gets. They do exhibit this tendency year after year, tho, and have only hit paydirt once in recent years - Shipley

That said, yeah, they do need to find a new number 1 receiver, and I am fully in the "goodbye divas" which does mean you need a couple new receivers. But I hope one of those is a promising player on someone else's roster right now, and the other is a midround pick ala Shipley.

I am firmly in the camp that says that my gramma can run and throw behind a superior line - ie with a superior line, you don't need the gifted running back, nor the franchise quarterback, nor the preening princess wideouts. Serviceable/lunchpail guys - guys big on intelligence, toughness, and want-to -- will do fine that that point. So I really don't care if none of the big guys are a "good value" at pick 2 or Mel says the pick is a big reach - I want star linemen. A lot of them. And I am not fooled by Whitworth's lead in pro bowl voting - he's a LG or a RT playing out of position, and he needs to be put where he can do the most good, not where he HAS to play because there simply is no one else capable of playing LT competently.

So to the matter of Carson - I am not sure if I care if Carson stays or goes because I think he'd be adequate if we put all those other pieces I mentioned around him and lose the Two Loon Platoon

Ben Roethlisberger plays behind a porous OL, and still gets the job done. Why not Palmer?

I think its a couple of reasons:

Ben can move out of the pocket, Carson hardly moves even when somebody is about to sack him, he hardly ever moves up in the pocket or outside the pocket.

Ben has a super defense to back him up if for some reason Ben makes a mistake. This defense is horrible, so Carson cant afford to make the mistakes.

It sucks with Carson we see every flaw on this team, and it sucks because this team has play its A game every game, while teams like the Steelers can play there B or C game and still win!

[Kazkal]

Rodgers also plays at high level even when packers Oline is terrible,That's the attractive part about both newton & luck IMO is they are mobile...

I don't see Luck Shaking Defenders off like ben but I see him being the Elusive type.