6th Round: Dezmon Briscoe

[Kazkal]

/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hzh8dBoBoA&NR=1

That was hot.

[derekshank]

Again... I'm not really saying Briscoe is awful. I'm saying he's not useful to the Bengals roster. And in college he played in the Big-12, where he used his size and leaping ability to take advantage of porous secondaries. And he would get caught from behind by college level safeties. Good luck with that in the NFL.

He simply adds nothing to the roster the Bengals don't already have. He's not a ST player, so they might as well have drafted me.

[Kazkal]

Again... I'm not really saying Briscoe is awful. I'm saying he's not useful to the Bengals roster. And in college he played in the Big-12, where he used his size and leaping ability to take advantage of porous secondaries. And he would get caught from behind by college level safeties. Good luck with that in the NFL.

He simply adds nothing to the roster the Bengals don't already have. He's not a ST player, so they might as well have drafted me.

They got Quan for special teamer who some people think is a dead man walking...he was productive and because of who we currently looking at for 6th WR I just think he has a fair shot to make the team...He's competing for Jerome Simpson & Matt Jones o_O all same like all our plays and other teams can't just have to wait and actually see them on field...season needs to start now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol

[cincyhokie]

Again... I'm not really saying Briscoe is awful. I'm saying he's not useful to the Bengals roster. And in college he played in the Big-12, where he used his size and leaping ability to take advantage of porous secondaries. And he would get caught from behind by college level safeties. Good luck with that in the NFL.

He simply adds nothing to the roster the Bengals don't already have. He's not a ST player, so they might as well have drafted me.

I think they're looking at the value for the round picked. He's only 20 and does have some good hands. It's a low risk pick. More than likely he'll be on the practice squad or cut.

[derekshank]

/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz6V06jEbnk

Same build a Chad. Not comparing but he looks like a similar type receiver at this stage in Chad's career. Obviously, nowhere near as quick though.

The thing that made Chad great was how quickly he could change direction and how precise he was in his route running. Neither of those things are true about this guy.

And watching the highlight reel, I couldn't help but notice how even on his very best plays how he completely lacked explosion and any ability to get separation unless the guy covering him fell down or whiffed.

I'm going to try to be done bitching about this pick now.

[cincyhokie]

/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz6V06jEbnk

Same build a Chad. Not comparing but he looks like a similar type receiver at this stage in Chad's career. Obviously, nowhere near as quick though.

The thing that made Chad great was how quickly he could change direction and how precise he was in his route running. Neither of those things are true about this guy.

And watching the highlight reel, I couldn't help but notice how even on his very best plays how he completely lacked explosion and any ability to get separation unless the guy covering him fell down or whiffed.

I'm going to try to be done bitching about this pick now.

Yeah, that's why I said he's built like him but he's not as quick. Chad's Chad. Actually this guy plays more like Tab Perry.

[BengalszoneBilly]

/>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hzh8dBoBoA&NR=1

That was hot.

Dude has some great open field moves!

[wpeldios]

This was the later round wr I have wanted for 2 months. I really like this guy. The people that complained that Shipley will never be able to develop into a 1 or a 2, this guy has that chance. I don't expect him to start immediately because he does need some coaching, but he will be better than his combine numbers.

[derekshank]

This was the later round wr I have wanted for 2 months. I really like this guy. The people that complained that Shipley will never be able to develop into a 1 or a 2, this guy has that chance. I don't expect him to start immediately because he does need some coaching, but he will be better than his combine numbers.

Anyone want to bet that he doesn't catch a pass this year? I bet he's not even on the active roster for a game this season.

[HoosierCat]

Interesting bit on Briscoe...

Kansas Coach Jeney Jackson Discusses WR Dezmon Briscoe's Future

March 19th, 2010 By Special to DraftNasty

Tim Martin, a former standout wide receiver at Marshall University, knows what it takes to build a champion. After all, he won two national championships during his career with the Thundering Herd during the early to mid nineties. Martin went on to sign with the Detroit Lions in 1997. He also knows what it takes to be successful as an NFL athlete. Martin has been the Assistant Strength & Conditioning coach at the University of Wyoming (1999) and the Head Football Strength & Conditioning coach at UT-Chattanooga for two years (2000-01). Martin had a chance to catch with an old coaching friend to discuss the draft prospects for Kansas junior WR Dezmon Briscoe, currently rated 31st on DraftNasty's Big Board.

I caught up with an old coaching buddy last week to ask about Dezmon Briscoe and his football future. Jeney Jackson and I served as assistant strength coaches at the University of Wyoming in 2000. Coach Jackson had an outstanding playing career at Wyoming from 1994-1997 as a Defensive Back. I’ve coached and played with some explosive athletes but Coach Jackson is the most explosive athlete I’ve seen with a 45 inch vertical and over 11 foot standing broad jump. Coach Jackson left Wyoming in 2004 to become the speed coach for the Kansas Jayhawks football team. In 2006 Coach Jackson took over the Defensive Back coaching job at Kansas. He got an up close look at Desmond Briscoe for three years.

Q: Coach Jackson, tell me a little bit about Dezmon Briscoe?

A: The boy is a baller. He will go up and attack the football in the air, and catch everything in sight. Everyday in practice he made catches that left you with your mouth hanging open. I will put it like this: You don't go for nearly 300 yards receiving against Oklahoma's defense by accident.

Q: How do you think he will do in the NFL?

A: I think Dezmon will only get better. He has a lot of upside, especially with him only concentrating on playing football and not school work. He will be a very good number two receiver in the NFL.

Q: Tell me some things about Dezmon that people wouldn't know?

A: Dezmon plays a lot stronger than people would think. He didn't go through one workout with the team in the summer before his junior year; he was just working, trying to get eligible for the season.

Q: How were the battles between Briscoe vs. Talib in practice?

A: Talib would get the best of him back then. He was a seasoned vet going against a kid right out of high school. I would have to say, if that match up happened today... it would be a whole different story.

/>http://draftnasty.com/insider_blogs/john/kansas-coach-jeney-jackson-discusses-desmond-briscoe-s-future/

[Kazkal]

This was the later round wr I have wanted for 2 months. I really like this guy. The people that complained that Shipley will never be able to develop into a 1 or a 2, this guy has that chance. I don't expect him to start immediately because he does need some coaching, but he will be better than his combine numbers.

Anyone want to bet that he doesn't catch a pass this year? I bet he's not even on the active roster for a game this season.

Does preseason count and what we gonna put on the line I dunno about a Catch but I'd make a bet he makes roster.

You don't go for nearly 300 yards receiving against Oklahoma's defense by accident.

but but he only tears up crappy schools...

[JoePong]

This was a great pick. Briscoe is a 2nd round talent. Reminds me a lot of TJ, only much better running after the catch.

[derekshank]

I dunno about a Catch but I'd make a bet he makes roster.

I might even take you up on that deal.

Last year the Bengals carried 6 WRs on the 53 man roster.

Chad, Coles, Henry, Caldwell, Simpson, and Cosby. Purify and Freddie Brown were on the PS.

This year, Bryant replaces Coles, Matt Jones replaces Henry, and Shipley replaces Cosby.

So let's say Chad, Bryant, Jones, Caldwell, Shipley, and...

Simpson could stick, keep Cosby, Palmer loves Purify, Freddie Brown, or keep Briscoe. If nothing else, he's got his work cut out for him to make this team.

I'm not questioning his upside... I'm just wondering how many #3 WRs this team needs? People are wanting the Bengals to replace Chad eventually. It appears they don't plan on doing that until he's actually gone. So, in the meantime they are compiling a roster full of decent WRs who will have trouble getting playing time due to roster depth. Seriously, Matt Jones, Andre Caldwell, Shipley... and projects like Purify, Simpson, Freddie Brown, and now Briscoe.

It's like George Carlin said "Ive never f**ked a 10, but I've f**ked five 2s."

That's how I see the Bengals addressing the WR position. Instead of deciding to get one really good WR to replace Chad, they continue drafting #3s and projects hoping to strike gold. I'm wondering what the team would look like if they had just invested a 1st round pick a couple years ago to groom into a true #1, and used all these WR picks on other needs, because atthis point it seems like they are spending a lot of resources on WR, but never get any closer to solving the problem.

[Kazkal]

Well how I'm looking at it

Byrant= Repalces Coles

Ocho=Is Ocho

Caldwell=Will take Henrys Role (doesn't have the size but carson has a nice set of 6'6 pass catching Tight Ends for huge targets)

Shipley=Will take Caldwells role in the SLot

Quan=Will be activated because of special teams play

Briscoe will take Romes spot and the developmental WR.

I think Matt Jones could beat out Briscoe if he flashes some of 2008 but I think Briscoe has enough upside we can wave matt jones because of the other receiving talents we added.

I saw someone Mention on another thread but the plans were to have Matt Jones play the slot? If so I just can't see it.

PS,I don't think he's a lock I just look at those people who will be competing for the 6# spot and think he has a very fair chance....Let's be real does anyone expect Rome to get the 6th spot?Theres a reason we took 2 WR's....

[HoosierCat]

I would say the only two "safe" WRs are Chad and Bryant (and honestly I wonder just a tiny bit about Chad; I don't really think he will be cut or dealt this year but I am not at all sure the Bengals will pick up his $5 million option next year.)

After them, its a free-for-all. Simpson has shown squat, Jones was out of football and signed despite (reportedly) the worst workout ever. Cosby didn't make it onto the field on offense until late in the year. Right now he's most valuable as a return guy, but that role is one that can be usurped relatively easily, compared with an offensive or defensive starter.

I think that we're looking at Chad, Bryant, Shipley, Caldwell...and then the best two of the rest of the bunch. Briscoe has a chance to be one of them if he applies himself. More likely he ends up on the PS for a season or two. He has the potential to be a starter, but he is young young young.

[JoePong]

Briscoe is anything but a project. He's a damn good WR.

[Kazkal]

but that role is one that can be usurped relatively easily, compared with an offensive or defensive starter.

I don't think Quans biggest value is as a returner (though he was our best punt returner since 1984) I think it's Blocking in return game (Look at Benards huge run he only pulled that off because of Quans blocking.) and he's also a willing tackler when covering kicks...B 6th WR / 5th Gameday WR is primarily a special teams player I just feel can easily keep him and shipley even if Shipley ends up returning punts.

[cincyhokie]

Dave Lapham does Big 12 games during the college season. I'll be curious to hear what he has to say about Briscoe.

[kingwilly]

It's like George Carlin said "Ive never f**ked a 10, but I've f**ked five 2s."

That's how I see the Bengals addressing the WR position. Instead of deciding to get one really good WR to replace Chad, they continue drafting #3s and projects hoping to strike gold. I'm wondering what the team would look like if they had just invested a 1st round pick a couple years ago to groom into a true #1, and used all these WR picks on other needs, because atthis point it seems like they are spending a lot of resources on WR, but never get any closer to solving the problem.

This.

Instead of making a deal, like sending Collins and our 2010 3rd and 4th, and a 2011 3rd to move up to get Dez Bryant, we now have Shipley (a smallish, possession flanker), and an undersized but hard working DT.

I would rather have Dez than Collins, Shipley and Atkins.

I just think they don't work very hard to put things together to get what they want. I feel they are often too passive, instead of taking the situation by the horns.

Ok, to borrow a Lebowski reference, we are "Logjammin" at WR. After Chad and AB, there is Jones, Caldwell, Shipley, Quan, Briscoe, Simpson, Purify and Brown. 4 of these 7 really are not going to have any impact. Cutting Simpson, Purify and Brown is highly possible. Stashing Briscoe on the PS is also likely. I am not finding the logic in this as a strategy to getting the best possible receiving talent for Carson. Anyone else?

Why not trade-in some pieces of silver to get a diamond?

[HR24]

This guy reminds me more of TJ than Chad with his body type. He looks like he has short legs and a long torsoe. Plus, he doesn't really look fast, but more of a strider than anything else.

I am more impressed by Shipley. That kid is a baller. Wayne Chrebet or Wes Welker like.

[Kazkal]

I would rather have Dez than Collins, Shipley and Atkins.

Why not trade-in some pieces of silver to get a diamond?

-Collins isn't worth a Turd Sammwhich

-What pick we trading up from? Our 3rd? Then it's not enough

-I'm guessing you meant our Second which would mean we'd be out Atkins,Shipley,Dunlap & Collins Which still isn't even close in value

-Not even close in value

23rd pick would take 780 pts

2nd=360 pts

3rd=120 ptsd

4th=60 pts

next yards 3rd(this years 4 pretty much) =60 pts

That's 600 points you'd have to also give up next years first and Then maybe a team would do it...

a 2nd,3rd,4th & next years 1st? I'll pass

[skyline]

It's like George Carlin said "Ive never f**ked a 10, but I've f**ked five 2s."

That's how I see the Bengals addressing the WR position. Instead of deciding to get one really good WR to replace Chad, they continue drafting #3s and projects hoping to strike gold. I'm wondering what the team would look like if they had just invested a 1st round pick a couple years ago to groom into a true #1, and used all these WR picks on other needs, because atthis point it seems like they are spending a lot of resources on WR, but never get any closer to solving the problem.

I just think they don't work very hard to put things together to get what they want. I feel they are often too passive, instead of taking the situation by the horns.

Or perhaps they just want something different than you. I know it's hard to imagine...

[kingwilly]

It's like George Carlin said "Ive never f**ked a 10, but I've f**ked five 2s."

That's how I see the Bengals addressing the WR position. Instead of deciding to get one really good WR to replace Chad, they continue drafting #3s and projects hoping to strike gold. I'm wondering what the team would look like if they had just invested a 1st round pick a couple years ago to groom into a true #1, and used all these WR picks on other needs, because atthis point it seems like they are spending a lot of resources on WR, but never get any closer to solving the problem.

I just think they don't work very hard to put things together to get what they want. I feel they are often too passive, instead of taking the situation by the horns.

Or perhaps they just want something different than you. I know it's hard to imagine...

Oh, whatever. Did it not look like while many, many other teams maneuver to get to players they want, the Bengals sit there are take what they get?

Are you happy with how they approached these picks?

[skyline]

It's like George Carlin said "Ive never f**ked a 10, but I've f**ked five 2s."

That's how I see the Bengals addressing the WR position. Instead of deciding to get one really good WR to replace Chad, they continue drafting #3s and projects hoping to strike gold. I'm wondering what the team would look like if they had just invested a 1st round pick a couple years ago to groom into a true #1, and used all these WR picks on other needs, because atthis point it seems like they are spending a lot of resources on WR, but never get any closer to solving the problem.

I just think they don't work very hard to put things together to get what they want. I feel they are often too passive, instead of taking the situation by the horns.

Or perhaps they just want something different than you. I know it's hard to imagine...

Oh, whatever. Did it not look like while many, many other teams maneuver to get to players they want, the Bengals sit there are take what they get?

Are you happy with how they approached these picks?

They apparently didn't feel the trades would have been beneficial. How many teams made trades and moved around compared to the # of teams that didn't? Does that make all of those teams lazy as well?

I'm sorry Bengals coaches disagree from you philosophically, but that doesn't mean they didn't work hard OR that they didn't get what they wanted.

[COB]

I am not finding the logic in this as a strategy to getting the best possible receiving talent for Carson. Anyone else?

Why not trade-in some pieces of silver to get a diamond?

The only thing I can figure is they plan on putting all these pieces of silver in camp, then letting them compete to see who gets the spots/playing time. Which is something I like, the competition driving who gets the playing time not draft spot or contract.

As far as Dez goes, doesn't look like the coaching staff has the stomach for another diva-like receiver. Instead they went for the eagle scout-type kid out of Texas.