JoePong Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 against an AFC opponent, and they are averaging under 15 points per game against AFC teams. The only two games that the offense has scored more than 17 were against the bears and packers.They better start getting it together or they won't go far in the playoffs. And sooner or later, they have to start hitting at least a few big plays in the passing game.You may claim that I'm being picky since we are 7-2, but the offense has been pretty lackluster overall with the exception of a couple games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 So scoring 18 against the Steelers this week didn't count? Or 23 against Cleveland in week 4? Or 23 against Pittsburgh in week 3?Maybe fact checking would be wise.Also... They've played 5 games against teams in the top 6 in scoring defense. 6 games against teams in the top 10.The Bengals offense was slow early on. Lots of 3-and-outs. They had really bad games against Cleveland and Houston, but thy have performed reasonably well since the Texans game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 So scoring 18 against the Steelers this week didn't count? Or 23 against Cleveland in week 4? Or 23 against Pittsburgh in week 3?Maybe fact checking would be wise.I think YOU need to check again. Our offense scored 12 points against the steelers last week. Our offense scored 16 points against the Browns in week 4 (only 13 in regulation). And 17 points against the steelers in week 3. And I even gave them credit for all the extra points that were made after the offense scored a TD.Either you have a very short memory or you did not watch the games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 It's a fair point. Our D will keep us in games but in the post season, you really need both sides of the ball firing on all cylinders. Luckily we're 7 games away from the playoffs and these next 6 weeks or so is when we'll see the team either gel for the post-season or they won't. Finish strong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Just to clarify for baby, since I know not everyone is able to actually watch the games... Robert Geathers (who plays DEFENSE, not offense), scored a TD on a long return of about 75 yards against cleveland. J Joseph (who also plays defense) scored on an INT return in the first pittsburgh game. Bernard Scott scored a TD on a KICKOFF return in the second ggame against the steelers...which was the only TD we scored all day. Those points were not scored by our offense.Hell, I was even generous to our offense and gave them credit for the points we scored off of field goals after our defense gave them the ball IN FIELD GOAL RANGE. Like on Sunday, Frostee Rucker's interception gave the offense the ball in easy FG range, all we managed to do was kick the FG. The defense should get credit for the points in that situation, but I still credited the offense, So, I am actually being generous to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 (((shrug))) I'm looking forward to the Bengals winning a playoff game by a 2-0 score. In overtime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 Joe, the fashion in which they are winning does not translate into a high-scoring result.They are a clock-control, grinding style offense at this point. I will point out that they have scored when necessary and are second in the NFL in points allowed.... I am finding it hard to see the complaint here.I would submit that Palmer could be more accurate and consistent, and that may lead to better scoring opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 I would submit that Palmer could be more accurate and consistent, and that may lead to better scoring opportunities.Yep, that's the next transition and I think that's all it would take to be enough. In the first month this offense was killing itself. It lead to heartburn and sweaty palms. The offense has largely stopped doing those things. They're not suddenly launching 50 yd bomb after 50 yd bomb but haven't had to and that little adjustment in discipline, combined with the stout D, has led to less worrisome finishes, for me at least.The fact that this D is also getting better each week is one hell of a bonus.Keep improving a little each week and we're golden for January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoePong Posted November 19, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 The point is, the ofense has to get better if we want to have any success in the playoffs. Let's look at it...Against Denver, we were shut out for about 59 and 1/2 minutes. Against Cleveland, we were shut out for almost 4 full quarters of football (after scoring inh the 1st quarter, we did not score again in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th quarters, and then played the entire OT period without scoring until the very last play). We were shut out for the final 3 quarters against baltimore 2 weeks ago, and we did not score an offensive TD against pittsburgh.In fact, our offense has not scored a TD in the last 7 quarters.That's a problem come playoff time. If all you care about is the regular season, go ahead and overlook it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 You're right Joe. It's very remiss of us. We'll get right on it and fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HairOnFire Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 The point is, the ofense has to get better if we want to have any success in the playoffs. I said in week three I couldn't wait to see how good this teams defense might be by week eight. Same sorta thing goes for the offense. They've got plenty of time to straighten out things. Whether they do or not is yet to be determined, but by the same token....they could be averaging 50 points a game right now and it won't help them in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingwilly Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 The point is, the ofense has to get better if we want to have any success in the playoffs. Let's look at it...Against Denver, we were shut out for about 59 and 1/2 minutes. Against Cleveland, we were shut out for almost 4 full quarters of football (after scoring inh the 1st quarter, we did not score again in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th quarters, and then played the entire OT period without scoring until the very last play). We were shut out for the final 3 quarters against baltimore 2 weeks ago, and we did not score an offensive TD against pittsburgh.In fact, our offense has not scored a TD in the last 7 quarters.That's a problem come playoff time. If all you care about is the regular season, go ahead and overlook it.How dare this offense not score 33 against the Steelers! This means they are not ready for the Playoffs.By your logic, because NE gave up 35 to Indy, they must not be ready for the playoffs either.The flip side of this is that the teams upcoming give this offense plenty of opportunity to score.You are overlooking the quality of the defenses that the Bengals have faced. Denver, Pit (x2), Baltimore (x2), Green Bay (10th in points, 6th v pass, 4th v run).I think if Palmer continues to improve his accuracy and timing with Coles and Chad, they will break out and score much more often. The upcoming games give them the chance to get it nailed down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 19, 2009 Report Share Posted November 19, 2009 The defense in '05 helped the offense a ridiculous number of times with a short field by leading the league in turnovers. A very similar thing can be said for the Saints this year. No one takes anything away from those offensive numbers though.I stand by my statement that since the Texans game, the offense has been fine. They are winning the TOP stat (which very rarely occured in '05) and are scoring when they need to. They went crazy on Chicago. They started doing the same thing to the Ravens, but then started running out the clock rather than running up the points. And while they didn't get in the endzone angainst the Steelers, they moved the ball well enough and won the field position battle against a team many said was the best team in the NFL just a week ago.They are actually scoring an appropriate number of points given the number of points the opposing defenses are giving up. This isn't the same team they had in '05. They aren't finesse at all. They win games at the line of scrimmage. They aren't going to score 40+ very often, but they're going to keep winning games. And yes, I mean in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierCat Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 So scoring 18 against the Steelers this week didn't count? Or 23 against Cleveland in week 4? Or 23 against Pittsburgh in week 3?Maybe fact checking would be wise.I think YOU need to check again. Our offense scored 12 points against the steelers last week. Our offense scored 16 points against the Browns in week 4 (only 13 in regulation). And 17 points against the steelers in week 3. And I even gave them credit for all the extra points that were made after the offense scored a TD.Either you have a very short memory or you did not watch the games.Well, as long as we're on the subject of memory, let's not forget that the O actually did get in position to score in both those games, as well as Pitt 1, but failed because of Brad St. Blewit. We left 4 points on the field against Pitt and Cleveland, and 3 against the Ravens. Even taking away defensive scores, that gets us up to 20 offensive points in each game if the long-snapper doesn't suck. And of course, he doesn't anymore.Now, 20 isn't all that much better than 17, but with basic execution we win 24-20 in Cleveland w/o OT, beat the Ravens 20-14 the first time out, and knock off Pitt 27-20 in the first game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Joe, the fashion in which they are winning does not translate into a high-scoring result.They are a clock-control, grinding style offense at this point. I will point out that they have scored when necessary and are second in the NFL in points allowed.... I am finding it hard to see the complaint here.I would submit that Palmer could be more accurate and consistent, and that may lead to better scoring opportunities.Good post. My thoughts exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cincyhokie Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I don't see how anyone couldn't see that although the Bengals didn't score at will they didn't need to. The defense has allowed the offense to play a clock controling more conservative game. The Steelers were COUNTING on Palmer turning the ball over. In the past he would have. Last week the team didn't put him in a position were he'd be prone to turn the ball over. It's simple. Why take chances that may lead to big points when you don't have to. We just played the Ravens and Steelers...jeezus.This team is playing to win as a team and it's very nice to watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 We can win in a number of ways. It makes us dangerous. We can and have gashed teams through the air when needed, pounded the ball to see out the game or made game winning defensive stands. Whichever way we have done it, the other team has submitted to our will.Other teams will no doubt scheme against our D but they'll be worried because what they see on tape is a disciplined D. They don't bite on fakes very often, rarely freelance (even Rey has improved in that area). You want to score on the D, you'll have to earn it. They'll get given very little.FFS hurry up Sunday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShulaSteakhouse Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 This is what happens when you play the Ravens and Steelers 4 out of your first 9 games I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HAPPYJAQ Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 This is what happens when you play the Ravens and Steelers 4 out of your first 9 games I guess.This.Folks, lets remember that we've played not only the two most talented defenses in the NFL 4 times already, but we've had just one game (Houston) against an offensive-minded team. The rankings should even out, but even if they don't, I'll be happy being 9-3 or 10-2 going to Minneapolis on December 13th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pidge Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Plus the packers D is not to be sniffed at. The offense put 20-something up against them in GB.I would hope our offensive stats improve a little over the course of the next 3 games. If they don't, then let's revisit this thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derekshank Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Plus the packers D is not to be sniffed at. The offense put 20-something up against them in GB.I would hope our offensive stats improve a little over the course of the next 3 games. If they don't, then let's revisit this thread.I have a feeling this thread will deserve to be revisited just about as much as the "It's time to end the Carson Palmer experiment" thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 So scoring 18 against the Steelers this week didn't count? Or 23 against Cleveland in week 4? Or 23 against Pittsburgh in week 3?Maybe fact checking would be wise.Also... They've played 5 games against teams in the top 6 in scoring defense. 6 games against teams in the top 10.The Bengals offense was slow early on. Lots of 3-and-outs. They had really bad games against Cleveland and Houston, but thy have performed reasonably well since the Texans game.Yup, the Bengals have played some tough defenses so far. Honestly, the Browns are the only team that doesnt have a good defense (Steelers twice, Ravens twice, Bears, Packers, Broncos, Texans).You'll see the offense explode over the next 3 games vs. Raiders, Browns, and Lions. They'll more than make up for those "Averages" that JoePong put out there. Not that it will really mean much. I could care less about inflated/deflated averages.....The thing that TRULY matters is the Bengals are good enough to win the games. Thats what separates good teams from Champions...Champions find a way to win....regardless.The Patriots won all those Super Bowls, but they were nowhere near the League leaders in any offensive category at that time. I'll take wins over stats any day of the week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalszoneBilly Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 Plus the packers D is not to be sniffed at. The offense put 20-something up against them in GB.I would hope our offensive stats improve a little over the course of the next 3 games. If they don't, then let's revisit this thread.I have a feeling this thread will deserve to be revisited just about as much as the "It's time to end the Carson Palmer experiment" thread. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalPimp Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I think YOU need to check again. Our offense scored 12 points against the steelers last week. Our offense scored 16 points against the Browns in week 4 (only 13 in regulation). And 17 points against the steelers in week 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregstephens Posted November 20, 2009 Report Share Posted November 20, 2009 I think YOU need to check again. Our offense scored 12 points against the steelers last week. Our offense scored 16 points against the Browns in week 4 (only 13 in regulation). And 17 points against the steelers in week 3. WOW!!!! Thanks JoePong!!!!I wasnt aware that the NFL handed out Wins and Losses based on how many points only the Offense scored??????Silly me, I thought this was a TEAM GAME. I mean, if its based purely on offensive scoring, Why the heck do they even bother to keep these Defensive players on the roster? Or for that matter, the Special Teams.Best offenses or defenses or special teams alone dont win Championships, its take a collective TEAM effort.There ya go....I just learned ya somethin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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